|
Post by larrytitan on Aug 5, 2022 14:07:33 GMT -5
Not funny.
|
|
|
Post by Rogobob77 on Dec 12, 2022 9:53:22 GMT -5
Former Titan Bryon Ottrix has played in only two games for Slippery Rock, just 3 points in four minutes. Perhaps he’s injured.
|
|
|
Post by rbj on Dec 12, 2022 17:12:55 GMT -5
Former Titan Bryon Ottrix has played in only two games for Slippery Rock, just 3 points in four minutes. Perhaps he’s injured. The paltry stats that some former titans are putting up at their new schools help prove that the current staff does not have a recruiting strategy, nor do they look for a particular skill set. I also dont think any of them have an eye for talent.
|
|
|
Post by Rogobob77 on Dec 12, 2022 18:24:45 GMT -5
Former Titan Bryon Ottrix has played in only two games for Slippery Rock, just 3 points in four minutes. Perhaps he’s injured. The paltry stats that some former titans are putting up at their new schools help prove that the current staff does not have a recruiting strategy, nor do they look for a particular skill set. I also dont think any of them have an eye for talent. There’s some pretty talented guys in the most recent recruiting haul currently on the roster. Stone, Anderson, Liddell, Moss, Jones et al.
|
|
|
Post by rbj on Dec 12, 2022 21:00:05 GMT -5
The paltry stats that some former titans are putting up at their new schools help prove that the current staff does not have a recruiting strategy, nor do they look for a particular skill set. I also dont think any of them have an eye for talent. There’s some pretty talented guys in the most recent recruiting haul currently on the roster. Stone, Anderson, Liddell, Moss, Jones et al. I begrudgingly must say I do like the last group of recruits...especially Liddell,Stone and Anderson.
|
|
|
Post by udballer on Dec 12, 2022 21:01:14 GMT -5
The paltry stats that some former titans are putting up at their new schools help prove that the current staff does not have a recruiting strategy, nor do they look for a particular skill set. I also dont think any of them have an eye for talent. There’s some pretty talented guys in the most recent recruiting haul currently on the roster. Stone, Anderson, Liddell, Moss, Jones et al. Do you think the staff turned a corner in some way? Or do you think it was business as usual and seems to working out better than usual this go-round?
|
|
|
Post by Rogobob77 on Dec 12, 2022 22:10:55 GMT -5
There’s some pretty talented guys in the most recent recruiting haul currently on the roster. Stone, Anderson, Liddell, Moss, Jones et al. Do you think the staff turned a corner in some way? Or do you think it was business as usual and seems to working out better than usual this go-round? It sure seems like some of this player evaluation stuff is more an art than science. Oakland has guys that played at Michigan State and Wisconsin but not really impressing. Eastern Michigan has Bates who was suppose to dominate on his way to the NBA and is surrounded by other big name transfers, but they are something like 2-9. I think Davis has recruited some surprising diamonds in the rough, some really good players who are meeting expectations, and a few others that don’t seem like D-1 recruits. A mixed bag. Can’t use it as an excuse, but this isn’t the easiest place to recruit, and that makes it harder to get “sure thing” prospects. All indications are that the players during the Davis era have been good character representatives of the University and successful in the classroom, can’t really think of a situation where that was not the case.
|
|
|
Post by Commissioner on Dec 13, 2022 10:27:15 GMT -5
The paltry stats that some former titans are putting up at their new schools help prove that the current staff does not have a recruiting strategy, nor do they look for a particular skill set. I also dont think any of them have an eye for talent. There’s some pretty talented guys in the most recent recruiting haul currently on the roster. Stone, Anderson, Liddell, Moss, Jones et al. Do you think the staff turned a corner in some way? Or do you think it was business as usual and seems to working out better than usual this go-round? I think these posts are a bit too negative on the recruiting. Davis's 1st class (for 2018-19 year), recruited largely at the last moment, included 3 solid players--his son, one of the leading scorers in NCAA history and a 4x 1st team all-conference selection; Chris Brandon, an all-defensive conference selection as a soph at Detroit, and currently the league's leading rebounder down at NKU; and Willie Isiani, a very serviceable role player for 3.5 years. That class also included Derrien King, who did OK, and Lamar Hamrick and Marquis Moore, back-end rotation players. Others in the class were Tre-Quan Knight, Boe Nguidjol, Harrison Curry, and Jacob Holland. Darrell Riley and Jordan Gorman were walk-ons who played some (Gorman mainly in 2020). Other coaches with late starts have done better, but not that often, I don't think. To snag Davis (admittedly with a unique "in"), Brandon, Isiani, King, and Hamrick was, I think, pretty good, especially if you think about a more "normal" team that would have not had to rely so much on the freshmen Brandon and Isiani, the latter of whom, of course, missed most of the year due to straightening out eligibility, and then injury. The second class (2019-20) was recruited while the Titans were on probation. That class included Justin Miller and Dwayne Rose, two pretty serviceable roll players, and BJ Maxwell, a pretty good player who was way-laid by injuries at Detroit. Others were Brad Calipari, Alonde LeGrand, and Sam Hoffman. Again, I think too much can be made of the "probation" excuse, but I don't think there is much doubt that it hurt. And if I'm underestimating its impact, it's easy to see that this was the year that really set us back. The Titans haven't been great, but the last three years (including this one) we've been competitive, and undoubtedly hurt by Covid scheduling. The 2020-21 class included Bul Kuol, Matt Johnson, Noah Waterman, and Marquel Fraser, plus Kyle LeGreair, Buay Koka, Joey Liedel, and the infamous Taurean Thompson. Those first 4 make that, I think, a pretty good class. LeGreair has contributed some as well, Koka a bit less so. Liedel was waylaid by injury and he's hard to judge. Thompson was a shot that badly missed the mark, but that happens. The Titans had a bad start at 1-7, but then, recall, went 11-2 and were considered a favorite heading into the conference tournament, where we lost to NKU by a point in the second round. In 2021-22 the class included another real find, Madut Akec, who would have followed Kuol as an all-conference selection but for a late-season injury. That team, recall, had the (I consider stupid) schedule that opened with 9 consecutive road games, 7 against good non-conference competition. After a 2-7 start, the team went 11-7 the rest of the regular season, then lost in the 2nd round of the HL tournament and in the TBC. But remember it had 5 conference home games cancelled due to covid. Those 5 were IUPUI, Robert Morris, YSU, Oakland, and Green Bay. There's every reason to believe the Titans would have won at least four of those games and quite possibly all 5, for a 15-8 or 16-7 finish to the regular season, and a better seed in the HL tournament that would have improved our chances there. Besides Akec, transfers in included Kevin McAdoo, DJ Harvey, Prince Oduro, Jeramy Shaw, Jordan Phillips, juco Mohammed Sylla, and freshman Bryon Ottrix. Not as good as the 2020-21 group, but McAdoo and Harvey were serviceable, Phillips has been injury-plagued but has shown this year he can play. Sylla (now at Boise State, where he hasn't done much) and Oduro seemed like pretty reasonable signings. Ottrix was always a bit of an afterthought, and appears to have been awarded the final scholarship only very late in the day. In sum, I don't want to overstate the recruitment under Davis, and I've been as vocal as anyone about our inability to rise above being a .500 team. But I don't think it's been as bad as rbj suggested. Davis and crew have brought in some decent talent, but we have had some real bad luck (and perhaps bad performance from our compliance people in getting guys eligible), and I think our scheduling (especially last year) has hurt. Still, the Titans have been competitive for the past 3 years (including this one). With a bit of luck, we could be coming off back-to-back NCAA bids. No one cares about coulda/shoulda, but it perhaps should be considered in evaluating the talent coming in. Now we need to actually take the next step forward. I really hope we can rip off a bunch of wins in conference--I think it's possible. I'm concerned about our 2023 class, as we'll lose both Davis and Liddell, plus Oliver and Koka, and the crew of Moss, Phillips, Parks, and Anderson will all have eligibility left, but also all have 4-5 years of college already, and may move on (and this is before we get to the transfer portal). Tankersley, Jones, and possibly Sonny Johnson would seem to form a decent core of young players, and Stone should be back (leaving aside the portal), but we'll need some reinforcements.
|
|
|
Post by Rogobob77 on Dec 13, 2022 10:46:45 GMT -5
Perhaps for another thread, but the Detroit News has their list of top Michigan preps out today. “Detroit” has offers out to a sophomore and junior, but most of the listed seniors are headed elsewhere (including a top-ten guy to Wright State). I expect the Titans to hit the portal heavy next year to fill several spots, similar to the MO used this season.
|
|
|
Post by Commissioner on Dec 13, 2022 11:34:00 GMT -5
Perhaps for another thread, but the Detroit News has their list of top Michigan preps out today. “Detroit” has offers out to a sophomore and junior, but most of the listed seniors are headed elsewhere (including a top-ten guy to Wright State). I expect the Titans to hit the portal heavy next year to fill several spots, similar to the MO used this season. Unfortunately there isn't a lot of D-1 talent in Michigan these days. I'd still like us to get more of what there is, but there just isn't that much for the state's 7 D-1 teams to divide.
|
|
|
Post by fan on Dec 13, 2022 12:06:17 GMT -5
I think the Davis years have both +'s and -'s. The recurring landscaping in college basketball has changed drastically, but some other programs have done well.
As for the plus part, I think the coaching staff has done well bringing in talent, I think the management of AD's talent has been excellent, he will leave with a basket full of records.
As for the minus part, the scheduling has been a disaster, the w/L record of nonleague games speaks for itself, and the impact of the program on the community has also been a disaster also, perhaps that relates to the Vowels administration, but how would a Dick Vitale try personality handled itself under the current situation. UDM likes to call itself Detroit's team, but it is in name only. Local media and local fans all but ignore the team. Then again there is the W/L record.
I think factoring out the recurring and keeping AD for 5 years, and his accomplishments, everything else MD has done during his tenure can't be considered a success.
|
|