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Post by faithfulfan3 on Mar 29, 2018 15:14:31 GMT -5
I’m glad to find this board. The other one was getting too nasty and meaningless to follow. I agree that we have to move quickly to find a new coach. However, it must also be deliberate. We can’t just take the first option available. If this is anything like past searches, the AD has already received a number of applications. Some will be worthless, but others will be good options. The key is to have the ability to know which is which.
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Post by titanmac on Apr 2, 2018 7:35:54 GMT -5
i thought birdsong did a fine job. very underrated. left the program in good shape for st. perry. also appreciate the sentiments and qualifications list promulgated here. nevertheless, i think jermaine deserves a shot. a bit of a risk i suppose but he displays all the characteristics of a winner. always has. if he’s the next choice i can live with it. if thats what is in vowels mind i would recommend naming him now and avoid the charade and uncertainty of an extended nominal search.
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Post by Commissioner on May 10, 2018 15:24:14 GMT -5
I find the experience with Bacari just sad and disappointing. A lesson as to why you shouldn't hire old legends. BA and JJ are no longer legends and good reminders of glory days--now they're bad reminders of a big fail. And if JJ in particular now parts with ill will, how much will he be willing to do for us in the future? He's still an alum who's played in the NBA. But will he, going forward, place that call to a potential recruit?
Meanwhile, BA was a very defensible hire on the merits. Yes, there were warning signs, but they are much more apparent in hindsight. Generally, his hiring drew a lot of praise around the Horizon and in college hoops generally. And at the other end, I don't know anyone who predicted this disaster. Yet now the fickle crowd is out--it's not enough that BA failed, but people have begun name-calling and mockery (you see this on the other board), and BA doesn't deserve that. I've been about as harsh as anyone on his performance, but I hope I've avoided name calling and ridicule.
So sad. I still think Vowels should have made the decision on BA in November and made JJ the interim, but that's water under the bridge. And I still think Vowels has botched this process royally. But it's not personal.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 15:47:23 GMT -5
I find the experience with Bacari just sad and disappointing. A lesson as to why you shouldn't hire old legends. BA and JJ are no longer legends and good reminders of glory days--now they're bad reminders of a big fail. And if JJ in particular now parts with ill will, how much will he be willing to do for us in the future? He's still an alum who's played in the NBA. But will he, going forward, place that call to a potential recruit? Meanwhile, BA was a very defensible hire on the merits. Yes, there were warning signs, but they are much more apparent in hindsight. Generally, his hiring drew a lot of praise around the Horizon and in college hoops generally. And at the other end, I don't know anyone who predicted this disaster. Yet now the fickle crowd is out--it's not enough that BA failed, but people have begun name-calling and mockery (you see this on the other board), and BA doesn't deserve that. I've been about as harsh as anyone on his performance, but I hope I've avoided name calling and ridicule. So sad. I still think Vowels should have made the decision on BA in November and made JJ the interim, but that's water under the bridge. And I still think Vowels has botched this process royally. But it's not personal. Speaking as my Michigan fan self: I've always held a fondness for Bacari and have met him personally on multiple occasions, each time he was warm and personable. I was very excited for him to make the move over to Detroit, but at the same time he was never truly one of our "mastermind" coaches and LaVall Jordan was always the one on the staff I (and most others, I would say) had tabbed as the future head coach assistant. Now, after a couple years of shuffling, we've found our assistants (all three of whom I'm a massive fan of). Things had turned out well for my school with Bacari's moving on, I just wish things had turned out better at Detroit as well. I think Detroit was very talented but unfortunately the coaching just wasn't there. Lots of poor-to-non-existent offensive sets, lackluster defensive effort, it was disappointing and it seemed like Bacari, whose greatest strength was motivation at Michigan, couldn't get his troops out of second gear. Of course, the incident with Tarriq is a sort of 'off the court' blow to his regime as well. I think the longer this goes on and the more hindsight I have, the more I agree with you Commissioner about letting Bacari go in November and having let JJ take over. It's clear the higher-ups like(d?) JJ and he'd have had at least almost a near-full season. Plus, like you said, he's a big recruiting benefit. That shouldn't be overlooked. He has connections to the area, NBA ties, he's tight with Kevin Durant, these are BIG draws. I don't know if he's the right man for the job long-term, but he could have had at least a trial run to see.
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Post by motorcitysam on May 11, 2018 22:42:36 GMT -5
I find the experience with Bacari just sad and disappointing. A lesson as to why you shouldn't hire old legends. BA and JJ are no longer legends and good reminders of glory days--now they're bad reminders of a big fail. And if JJ in particular now parts with ill will, how much will he be willing to do for us in the future? He's still an alum who's played in the NBA. But will he, going forward, place that call to a potential recruit? Meanwhile, BA was a very defensible hire on the merits. Yes, there were warning signs, but they are much more apparent in hindsight. Generally, his hiring drew a lot of praise around the Horizon and in college hoops generally. And at the other end, I don't know anyone who predicted this disaster. Yet now the fickle crowd is out--it's not enough that BA failed, but people have begun name-calling and mockery (you see this on the other board), and BA doesn't deserve that. I've been about as harsh as anyone on his performance, but I hope I've avoided name calling and ridicule. So sad. I still think Vowels should have made the decision on BA in November and made JJ the interim, but that's water under the bridge. And I still think Vowels has botched this process royally. But it's not personal. Yeah, the BA "era" was disappointing on many levels. Sad to see him fail so completely, sad to see fans turn on him and mock him on message boards. Sad to see what kind of situation he left for the next coach. I don't usually publicly advocate for someone to get fired, and I won't start now because I don't know for sure what is going on behind the scenes. I know Vowels is an easy target, but I can't say for sure who is at fault for the delay in firing BA, or the long coaching search. Don't know who is driving the "no communication" strategy. Maybe there are reasons things are taking so long. I don't know what they might be, but I'm comfortable saying I don't have all the information. Having said all that, something has definitely gone wrong and it would behoove the University to have some answers at the end of the process, if only to soothe the fans anger. Granted, a winning team would cure a lot of hard feelings, but we are a long way from playing games in the 2018-19 season. There has to be a more comprehensive strategy for communicating with fans, and at least a thorough review of what went wrong with the hiring process, in my opinion. I'll be glad when we can get back to talking about recruits, strategy, returnees, etc. Go Titans.
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Post by mooseguy1 on May 13, 2018 16:22:01 GMT -5
I find the experience with Bacari just sad and disappointing. A lesson as to why you shouldn't hire old legends. BA and JJ are no longer legends and good reminders of glory days--now they're bad reminders of a big fail. And if JJ in particular now parts with ill will, how much will he be willing to do for us in the future? He's still an alum who's played in the NBA. But will he, going forward, place that call to a potential recruit? Meanwhile, BA was a very defensible hire on the merits. Yes, there were warning signs, but they are much more apparent in hindsight. Generally, his hiring drew a lot of praise around the Horizon and in college hoops generally. And at the other end, I don't know anyone who predicted this disaster. Yet now the fickle crowd is out--it's not enough that BA failed, but people have begun name-calling and mockery (you see this on the other board), and BA doesn't deserve that. I've been about as harsh as anyone on his performance, but I hope I've avoided name calling and ridicule. So sad. I still think Vowels should have made the decision on BA in November and made JJ the interim, but that's water under the bridge. And I still think Vowels has botched this process royally. But it's not personal. Yeah, the BA "era" was disappointing on many levels. Sad to see him fail so completely, sad to see fans turn on him and mock him on message boards. Sad to see what kind of situation he left for the next coach. I don't usually publicly advocate for someone to get fired, and I won't start now because I don't know for sure what is going on behind the scenes. I know Vowels is an easy target, but I can't say for sure who is at fault for the delay in firing BA, or the long coaching search. Don't know who is driving the "no communication" strategy. Maybe there are reasons things are taking so long. I don't know what they might be, but I'm comfortable saying I don't have all the information. Having said all that, something has definitely gone wrong and it would behoove the University to have some answers at the end of the process, if only to soothe the fans anger. Granted, a winning team would cure a lot of hard feelings, but we are a long way from playing games in the 2018-19 season. There has to be a more comprehensive strategy for communicating with fans, and at least a thorough review of what went wrong with the hiring process, in my opinion. I'll be glad when we can get back to talking about recruits, strategy, returnees, etc. Go Titans. A big +1 to all you said. This is been a form of purgatory. While the 18-19 season is a long way off, Bronkema (or whoever) will have to pull the proverbial rabbit(s) out of the hat for the season to be anything other than a succession of losses. We've lost Corey (bad for us--great for Corey), Josh (and, outside of Shotdoctor who once and a while posted on the other site, I couldn't be more angry about how Josh and Corey were screwed over by the by BA and friends) and quite probably Chatman and JJJr if we go with a completely new coach. Recruiting is also likely to suffer badly because of the delay in finding a new coach. Regardless, this may be the price to pay to give the program a reset.
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Post by motorcitysam on May 13, 2018 20:44:34 GMT -5
Yeah, the BA "era" was disappointing on many levels. Sad to see him fail so completely, sad to see fans turn on him and mock him on message boards. Sad to see what kind of situation he left for the next coach. I don't usually publicly advocate for someone to get fired, and I won't start now because I don't know for sure what is going on behind the scenes. I know Vowels is an easy target, but I can't say for sure who is at fault for the delay in firing BA, or the long coaching search. Don't know who is driving the "no communication" strategy. Maybe there are reasons things are taking so long. I don't know what they might be, but I'm comfortable saying I don't have all the information. Having said all that, something has definitely gone wrong and it would behoove the University to have some answers at the end of the process, if only to soothe the fans anger. Granted, a winning team would cure a lot of hard feelings, but we are a long way from playing games in the 2018-19 season. There has to be a more comprehensive strategy for communicating with fans, and at least a thorough review of what went wrong with the hiring process, in my opinion. I'll be glad when we can get back to talking about recruits, strategy, returnees, etc. Go Titans. A big +1 to all you said. This is been a form of purgatory. While the 18-19 season is a long way off, Bronkema (or whoever) will have to pull the proverbial rabbit(s) out of the hat for the season to be anything other than a succession of losses. We've lost Corey (bad for us--great for Corey), Josh (and, outside of Shotdoctor who once and a while posted on the other site, I couldn't be more angry about how Josh and Corey were screwed over by the by BA and friends) and quite probably Chatman and JJJr if we go with a completely new coach. Recruiting is also likely to suffer badly because of the delay in finding a new coach. Regardless, this may be the price to pay to give the program a reset. Yeah, the next coach is going to have a tough task ahead of him. That's often the case when a coaching change is make, but in this case, the delay in making a hiring decision really makes things worse than normal. Recruiting is impacted severely, obviously, but less obviously is the ability to hire assistant coaches and other personnel. I think most people in the field are going to take the "bird in the hand" approach when evaluating job opportunities. If you are an assistant coach candidate, you really can't afford to wait this long on a "maybe". You make a good point about Corey, Josh, and the rest. It gets lost sometimes how much a young man's life is turned upside down in a situation like this. Transferring is not as easy as some people make it out to be. You have to find the right school, the right coach, the right academic and athletic situation, etc. It has worked out well for Corey, who goes to a team that should be good, where he will be playing for a coach with whom he already has a relationship. Hopefully, if Josh does end up leaving, he'll find a good spot, also. Right now I'm betting he is thinking he should have left after Ray was let go, or in the Spring of 2017. I hope we can bounce back quickly, but the pessimist (realist) in knows we are in a historically bad place and need a lot of things to go our way, staring with hitting a home run with this hire.
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Post by rbj on May 13, 2018 21:31:46 GMT -5
A big +1 to all you said. This is been a form of purgatory. While the 18-19 season is a long way off, Bronkema (or whoever) will have to pull the proverbial rabbit(s) out of the hat for the season to be anything other than a succession of losses. We've lost Corey (bad for us--great for Corey), Josh (and, outside of Shotdoctor who once and a while posted on the other site, I couldn't be more angry about how Josh and Corey were screwed over by the by BA and friends) and quite probably Chatman and JJJr if we go with a completely new coach. Recruiting is also likely to suffer badly because of the delay in finding a new coach. Regardless, this may be the price to pay to give the program a reset. Yeah, the next coach is going to have a tough task ahead of him. That's often the case when a coaching change is make, but in this case, the delay in making a hiring decision really makes things worse than normal. Recruiting is impacted severely, obviously, but less obviously is the ability to hire assistant coaches and other personnel. I think most people in the field are going to take the "bird in the hand" approach when evaluating job opportunities. If you are an assistant coach candidate, you really can't afford to wait this long on a "maybe". You make a good point about Corey, Josh, and the rest. It gets lost sometimes how much a young man's life is turned upside down in a situation like this. Transferring is not as easy as some people make it out to be. You have to find the right school, the right coach, the right academic and athletic situation, etc. It has worked out well for Corey, who goes to a team that should be good, where he will be playing for a coach with whom he already has a relationship. Hopefully, if Josh does end up leaving, he'll find a good spot, also. Right now I'm betting he is thinking he should have left after Ray was let go, or in the Spring of 2017. I hope we can bounce back quickly, but the pessimist (realist) in knows we are in a historically bad place and need a lot of things to go our way, staring with hitting a home run with this hire. We are in for a lot of butt whippings next season. I agree with Moose that Allen and McFolley were totally misused during the 2017-2018 season, they both should've been playing at least 30 minutes a game, JJjr. could've backed them both up and played 20 minutes a game. The way the minutes and shots were distributed during the 2017-2018 season were completely unfair and it contributed to Alexander being dismissed.
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Post by Commissioner on Feb 24, 2019 23:37:21 GMT -5
I was glad to see this tweet. It's a shame that Bacari didn't work out as coach at UD, but I hope we'll all remember the good days we he was an all-conference defensive player on our NCAA teams.
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Post by rc on Feb 25, 2019 13:02:35 GMT -5
I was glad to see this tweet. It's a shame that Bacari didn't work out as coach at UD, but I hope we'll all remember the good days we he was an all-conference defensive player on our NCAA teams. I agree Commish. He was a great Titan too bad it didn’t work out as a coach.
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Post by titanmac on Mar 5, 2019 18:17:04 GMT -5
+1
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Post by Rogobob77 on Apr 11, 2019 15:07:21 GMT -5
Ran in to Bacari at the Yardhouse restaurant in Troy this afternoon. He was friendly as always and initiated a discussion about how good Antoine Davis is doing as a Titan. He looked happy and fit.
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Post by rbj on Apr 12, 2019 6:13:00 GMT -5
Ran in to Bacari at the Yardhouse restaurant in Troy this afternoon. He was friendly as always and initiated a discussion about how good Antoine Davis is doing as a Titan. He looked happy and fit. Good to here he's doing well. I think Bacari Alexander would be an excellent color commentator, he certainly has the gift of gab and he wouldn't be the first former titan head coach to make it big as a media personality.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 11:37:58 GMT -5
Heard a rumor today that we may be seeing the return of BA to coaching soon...
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Post by motorcitysam on May 25, 2019 12:23:15 GMT -5
Heard a rumor today that we may be seeing the return of BA to coaching soon... He posted a couple of cryptic tweets that made me wonder about that. Juwan Howard assistant at Michigan, maybe? Stranger things have happened. 🙂
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