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Post by Commissioner on May 11, 2018 17:31:01 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 31, 2018 15:53:56 GMT -5
Jon Rothstein with a warning on Twitter for mid majors, concerning the impact of high major conferences going to 20 game conference schedules.
"20-game conference slates already taking a toll on scheduling for future seasons. WARNING: If you are not in a Top-Seven league (Power-5, Big East, or American), you are an ENDANGERED SPECIES."
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Post by motorcitysam on Oct 20, 2021 20:43:35 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 19, 2023 15:12:16 GMT -5
Some recent transfers over the past couple of days caught my eye.
Javian McCollum transferring from Sienna to Oklahoma. Jace Carter transferring from UIC to Texas A&M. Jordan Gainey transferring from USC Upstate to Tennessee. Andrew Rhode transferring from St. Thomas to Virginia. Carlos Stewart transferring from Santa Clara to LSU. Curtis Jones transferring from Buffalo to Iowa State.
While these were all solid mid major players, none of them were of the Antoine Davis, Max Abmas type. They all scored around 15 ppg at the mid major level, with decent (not great) shooting numbers. In the not too distant pass, players like this were not highly sought after by high major programs, as the big schools preferred to hold on to the guys they had an develop them. As Kampe said recently, once your mid major players start having success, they are looking to move up. And these days, they have plenty of suitors.
I hope I'm wrong, but it seems as if most mid majors (not the stars like Gonzaga, of course) are going to basically be playing the role of feeder system to the high majors. Cheering for them is going to be like cheering for a JUCO; you won't know the players until they pass out the game notes for the first game and you're going to have to do a lot of roster construction every year. If I was a mid major coach, I'd be looking to add a good JUCO coach to my staff, just for the experience they have in that environment.
I don't think it's doing most of the mid major players any favors either, unless they are getting some unexpectedly big NIL deals. Everyone wants to be the new Wendell Green, the Detroit native who spent a year at Eastern Kentucky before ending up in a starting role for Auburn. Unfortunately, most have a greater chance of ending up like Detroit native Rashad Williams, who was a double figure scorer for three years at Cleveland State and Oakland, but barely got off the bench at St. Louis. After barely playing for the Billikens, Williams transferred for a third time to Arkansas Pine Bluff prior to the 2022-23 season, but for some reason he didn't play at all. Or maybe Detroit native Jermaine Jackson, Jr., whose travels we were well aware of as he chased the league.
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Post by uofdfan1983 on Apr 19, 2023 15:25:43 GMT -5
It's really sad, Sam. If I wasn't a U-D grad already invested in the Program, I don't think I'd care about college hoops nearly as much as I still do. I don't like most of the change going on, and I will never be able to give up the dream that we can be in the Finial Four ourselves someday before I pass on. Even if the odds are long, I don't want to admit it.
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Post by fan on Apr 20, 2023 12:29:03 GMT -5
Hopefully, it's a phase. I think Rashad Williams might be more typical (CSU to Oakland to St Louis to AK Pine Bluff)of the transfer route. AK Pine Bluff might be the "lowest" program of the 4 schools, plus 4 transfers might make getting a degree a challenge. These players are getting some bad advice. The schools really are taking no risk, in the end, if the player's transfer "plan" doesn't work out they are the big loser.
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 20, 2023 12:47:43 GMT -5
It's really sad, Sam. If I wasn't a U-D grad already invested in the Program, I don't think I'd care about college hoops nearly as much as I still do. I don't like most of the change going on, and I will never be able to give up the dream that we can be in the Finial Four ourselves someday before I pass on. Even if the odds are long, I don't want to admit it. One thing you and I definitely agree on is our love for the U-D program. My dream is a Final Four run that shocks the world, like Butler in 2010 and 2011...but better. The Final Four is in Detroit at Ford Field in 2027. It would be a dream come true for us to be there, so let's start building towards that now. If St. Peter's can make the Elite Eight, Detroit can make the Final Four.
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 20, 2023 12:57:42 GMT -5
Hopefully, it's a phase. I think Rashad Williams might be more typical (CSU to Oakland to St Louis to AK Pine Bluff)of the transfer route. AK Pine Bluff might be the "lowest" program of the 4 schools, plus 4 transfers might make getting a degree a challenge. These players are getting some bad advice. The schools really are taking no risk, in the end, if the player's transfer "plan" doesn't work out they are the big loser. While a lot of student athlete advocates love the transfer portal because they think it gives the student athletes "power" and "freedom", a lot of student athletes get chewed up by the system when they make a poor choice on a transfer destination and end up stuck or on the move again. Like you said, it's virtually no risk to the schools. It's the players who pay the price of a bad decision.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jun 15, 2023 17:25:25 GMT -5
In another twist on the trend of high majors bleeding the mid majors dry, Virginia poached Charlotte's head coach Ron Sanchez, hiring him as an assistant on Tony Bennet's staff.
You have to feel for the Charlotte fanbase: Sanchez had been steadily building that program up over five years, winning 22 games this season and claiming the CBI championship. That's the first post season tournament championship ever, and their most wins since 2001. Then Virginia comes in and steals their coach.
Earlier this off season, there was a similar situation when Alabama poached the Nicholls head coach and hired him as a 'Bama assistant. That coach, Austin Claunch, had won 60% of his overall games in five years at Nicholls, including winning 68% of conference games.
The gap just keeps getting bigger.
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Post by ptctitan on Jun 15, 2023 19:20:16 GMT -5
In another twist on the trend of high majors bleeding the mid majors dry, Virginia poached Charlotte's head coach Ron Sanchez, hiring him as an assistant on Tony Bennet's staff. You have to feel for the Charlotte fanbase: Sanchez had been steadily building that program up over five years, winning 22 games this season and claiming the CBI championship. That's the first post season tournament championship ever, and their most wins since 2001. Then Virginia comes in and steals their coach. Earlier this off season, there was a similar situation when Alabama poached the Nicholls head coach and hired him as a 'Bama assistant. That coach, Austin Claunch, had won 60% of his overall games in five years at Nicholls, including winning 68% of conference games. The gap just keeps getting bigger. Claunch's base salary at Nicholls State was $130K. 'Bama assistants likely earn a lot more than that. Sanchez had been on Tony Bennett's staff for 9 years before taking the Charlotte job. He returns to UVA as associate head coach. Charlotte is moving to the American Conference this season. There was some dissatisfaction there over Sanchez's career performance. Also, two of Charlotte's top players transferred out before Sanchez left.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jun 15, 2023 19:49:41 GMT -5
In another twist on the trend of high majors bleeding the mid majors dry, Virginia poached Charlotte's head coach Ron Sanchez, hiring him as an assistant on Tony Bennet's staff. You have to feel for the Charlotte fanbase: Sanchez had been steadily building that program up over five years, winning 22 games this season and claiming the CBI championship. That's the first post season tournament championship ever, and their most wins since 2001. Then Virginia comes in and steals their coach. Earlier this off season, there was a similar situation when Alabama poached the Nicholls head coach and hired him as a 'Bama assistant. That coach, Austin Claunch, had won 60% of his overall games in five years at Nicholls, including winning 68% of conference games. The gap just keeps getting bigger. Claunch's base salary at Nicholls State was $130K. 'Bama assistants likely earn a lot more than that. Sanchez had been on Tony Bennett's staff for 9 years before taking the Charlotte job. He returns to UVA as associate head coach. Charlotte is moving to the American Conference this season. There was some dissatisfaction there over Sanchez's career performance. Also, two of Charlotte's top players transferred out before Sanchez left. I am aware of the circumstances. I didn't think anyone was leaving a head coaching job for less money.
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Post by ptctitan on Jun 16, 2023 6:26:45 GMT -5
I am aware of the circumstances. I didn't think anyone was leaving a head coaching job for less money. I just don't view either of these 2 specific situations as a power team "poaching" a mid-major coach. Unusual, yes. IMO, both situations were unique to each coach. At 33, Claunch likely felt the need to make a move up from Nicholls for his career aspirations. Sanchez was on the hot seat in Charlotte ever since we destroyed them at Calihan last year. I don't think that Sanchez had strong support from the AD. Just a way to discuss this interesting issue over the summer.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jun 16, 2023 9:54:14 GMT -5
I am aware of the circumstances. I didn't think anyone was leaving a head coaching job for less money. I just don't view either of these 2 specific situations as a power team "poaching" a mid-major coach. Unusual, yes. IMO, both situations were unique to each coach. At 33, Claunch likely felt the need to make a move up from Nicholls for his career aspirations. Sanchez was on the hot seat in Charlotte ever since we destroyed them at Calihan last year. I don't think that Sanchez had strong support from the AD. Just a way to discuss this interesting issue over the summer. I imagine there are members of the fan bases at both schools who might differ with you on whether or not it was poaching. I'm sure the powers that be at Charlotte weren't happy with the loss to Detroit last season, but they were probably happy with the win in the rematch, the 22 wins, and the CBI title. The 49ers season ended on March 22. If Sanchez was on the hot seat, the AD had plenty of time to fire him and conduct a full search for a candidate before Sanchez resigned to take the Virginia job in June. The Claunch situation seems like a clear example of poaching to me, but I realize that definitions of that term might differ from person to person. I understand the point you are making.
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Post by ptctitan on Jun 28, 2023 16:34:24 GMT -5
NCAA told people in this week's meetings that most second time undergraduate waivers are being denied. This does not bode well for our recruit PJ Fuller who has already used his one-time exemption and would be a 5th year senior here this year.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Jun 28, 2023 18:04:40 GMT -5
NCAA told people in this week's meetings that most second time undergraduate waivers are being denied. This does not bode well for our recruit PJ Fuller who has already used his one-time exemption and would be a 5th year senior here this year. Doesn't Alex Tchikou the 6-11 transfer from Alabama also need a waiver?
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