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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 23, 2018 17:42:01 GMT -5
Guess I didn't see the in game tactical prowess of JJ Sr. that some of you must have seen. Hard for me to make any definitive statements one way or the other. I do know that the player who he had the most influence over, even before showed poor court awareness and in game decision making.
But I don't mean to criticize either guy. JJ Sr. is gone, and JJ Jr. almost certainly is, too. I doubt either of them will have anything to do with the Titan program in the future.
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Post by rbj on Aug 23, 2018 18:20:29 GMT -5
Guess I didn't see the in game tactical prowess of JJ Sr. that some of you must have seen. Hard for me to make any definitive statements one way or the other. I do know that the player who he had the most influence over, even before showed poor court awareness and in game decision making. But I don't mean to criticize either guy. JJ Sr. is gone, and JJ Jr. almost certainly is, too. I doubt either of them will have anything to do with the Titan program in the future. MCsam, you make excellent points, and I don't have any empirical evidence to oppose what you're saying, when JJSr. when was in the first seat it "felt" like he knew what he was doing and had a better grasp on things. It could be that I was just extremely disappointed in coach Alexander. I am still baffled by the selfishness that was displayed by JJJr. last season, his pops played nothing like that.
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 23, 2018 18:35:52 GMT -5
Guess I didn't see the in game tactical prowess of JJ Sr. that some of you must have seen. Hard for me to make any definitive statements one way or the other. I do know that the player who he had the most influence over, even before showed poor court awareness and in game decision making. But I don't mean to criticize either guy. JJ Sr. is gone, and JJ Jr. almost certainly is, too. I doubt either of them will have anything to do with the Titan program in the future. MCsam, you make excellent points, and I don't have any empirical evidence to oppose what you're saying, when JJSr. when was in the first seat it "felt" like he knew what he was doing and had a better grasp on things. It could be that I was just extremely disappointed in coach Alexander. I am still baffled by the selfishness that was displayed by JJJr. last season, his pops played nothing like that. I'm not dismissing the validity of your observations. You could be right. And we did get a couple of wins under JJ Sr., so there is at least that evidence in support of your opinion. Like you, I was surprised at how JJ Jr. played last season. Certainly it was different from the way his father played. I cut Junior some slack last season because he was a freshman, but he didn't seem to develop much over the course of the year. It will be interesting to see how he does under another staff. He certainly has the potential to be very good on the mid major stage.
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Post by titanmac on Aug 23, 2018 20:02:58 GMT -5
which is only to say noone developed much over the year. i guess thats what happens when egos get in the way of the objectives. could say the same thing about ray sr. refused to recognize his shortcomings and to get the help he needed. the eternal enigma.
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Post by rbj on Aug 25, 2018 14:53:47 GMT -5
For JJJ and Jack, who have used one year of eligibility, would they be able to spend time at SPIRE? Spire Academy is for High school students and post graduate athletes. I would say the answer is "no" since they've played D1 College basketball already. BTW, I noticed Kent St posted a job opening - a part time director of basketball player development. Not that JJ would be interested, but my 1st guess for JJ Jr and Jack was Kent St (if they attend a D1 school in 2018-19)..... hoopdirt.com/job/director-basketball-player-development-kent-state-university/Classes started at Kent State on 8/23/18,I wonder if JJJr. And Ballantyne are headed for a JUCO?
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Post by Commissioner on Aug 25, 2018 15:09:54 GMT -5
Spire Academy is for High school students and post graduate athletes. I would say the answer is "no" since they've played D1 College basketball already. BTW, I noticed Kent St posted a job opening - a part time director of basketball player development. Not that JJ would be interested, but my 1st guess for JJ Jr and Jack was Kent St (if they attend a D1 school in 2018-19)..... hoopdirt.com/job/director-basketball-player-development-kent-state-university/Classes started at Kent State on 8/23/18,I wonder if JJJr. And Ballantyne are headed for a JUCO? I've wondered that. A juco could almost certainly take them as a pair, and then they would be immediately eligible in 2019-20.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 16:00:33 GMT -5
Classes started at Kent State on 8/23/18,I wonder if JJJr. And Ballantyne are headed for a JUCO? I've wondered that. A juco could almost certainly take them as a pair, and then they would be immediately eligible in 2019-20. That's exactly why I added the qualifier "if they attend a D1 school..." Sad that they would leave if that's what they're leaving for...
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 25, 2018 17:22:28 GMT -5
I've wondered that. A juco could almost certainly take them as a pair, and then they would be immediately eligible in 2019-20. That's exactly why I added the qualifier "if they attend a D1 school..." Sad that they would leave if that's what they're leaving for... I have seen a few other players take that route in recent years. Sometimes the school they want to attend won't have a scholarship until the following season, so they get stashed at a JUCO until the spot opens up. Others don't like their choices and don't want to commit to a program they aren't sure about. All things considered, as I try to look at it objectively, it would seem as if JJ and JB might have been best served staying put and playing in their hometown for an accomplished coach with a track record of success. But I don't know what other options they have or what criteria they are using.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Aug 25, 2018 18:41:16 GMT -5
That's exactly why I added the qualifier "if they attend a D1 school..." Sad that they would leave if that's what they're leaving for... I have seen a few other players take that route in recent years. Sometimes the school they want to attend won't have a scholarship until the following season, so they get stashed at a JUCO until the spot opens up. Others don't like their choices and don't want to commit to a program they aren't sure about. All things considered, as I try to look at it objectively, it would seem as if JJ and JB might have been best served staying put and playing in their hometown for an accomplished coach with a track record of success. But I don't know what other options they have or what criteria they are using. Sam you have been involved with enough teams to know that it is never good for the team or the locker room to have guys around who do not want to be there or be a part of the team.
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 25, 2018 18:58:40 GMT -5
I have seen a few other players take that route in recent years. Sometimes the school they want to attend won't have a scholarship until the following season, so they get stashed at a JUCO until the spot opens up. Others don't like their choices and don't want to commit to a program they aren't sure about. All things considered, as I try to look at it objectively, it would seem as if JJ and JB might have been best served staying put and playing in their hometown for an accomplished coach with a track record of success. But I don't know what other options they have or what criteria they are using. Sam you have been involved with enough teams to know that it is never good for the team or the locker room to have guys around who do not want to be there or be a part of the team. True. Which is why I didn't want them staying if they didn't want to be there. I was just saying that it might have been in their best interests for them to want to be there and make the best of it.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Aug 25, 2018 19:22:09 GMT -5
Sam you have been involved with enough teams to know that it is never good for the team or the locker room to have guys around who do not want to be there or be a part of the team. True. Which is why I didn't want them staying if they didn't want to be there. I was just saying that it might have been in their best interests for them to want to be there and make the best of it. I think JJJ is a very talented player and Jack has some potential but needs to play inside. I am just guessing but I am thinking Davis would not put up with their effort on the Defensive end. They would either become better players or collect a lot of slivers. I agree with you. It probably would have been in their best interests to stay but I am thinking probably not at this point in time.
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Post by ptctitan on Aug 26, 2018 5:00:48 GMT -5
Would they benefit from waiting for the new transfer rules to take effect? Maybe their current releases contain certain restrictions that would go away under the transfer rules? Asking. Don't know if their releases contain any restrictions.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Aug 26, 2018 9:12:03 GMT -5
Would they benefit from waiting for the new transfer rules to take effect? Maybe their current releases contain certain restrictions that would go away under the transfer rules? Asking. Don't know if their releases contain any restrictions. I am not sure how the Horizon transfer rules are set up but this kind of feels like Oakland or Toledo. Releases might have had an opponent stip. I keep thinking about facial expressions and the reckless belligerence they both played with which kind of played into my earlier comments about them coming back and being a part of the team.
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Post by Commissioner on Aug 26, 2018 10:04:55 GMT -5
Would they benefit from waiting for the new transfer rules to take effect? Maybe their current releases contain certain restrictions that would go away under the transfer rules? Asking. Don't know if their releases contain any restrictions. I am not sure how the Horizon transfer rules are set up but this kind of feels like Oakland or Toledo. Releases might have had an opponent stip. I keep thinking about facial expressions and the reckless belligerence they both played with which kind of played into my earlier comments about them coming back and being a part of the team. Oakland has released a roster with 12 scholarship players. That gives them one free scholarship, but beyond the press release saying the roster was "set," one scholarship isn't enough to take both Triple J and Jack. Toledo has released a 14 man roster, including all 13 potential scholarships. Some have speculated Triple J and Jack would stay close to Spire Academy, but all the MAC and Horizon schools in northeast Ohio have full rosters. So does Duquesne, which had shown interest in the two a year ago. I think it's quite likely they go juco.
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Post by larrytitan on Aug 26, 2018 10:11:19 GMT -5
I would be OK with Jack returning more than JJJ. We have a greater need at PF/C than at PG/SG. Also, JJJ has more of an entitlement attitude and would not be an easy fit. If Jack conditioned himself and bought into Coach Davis philosophy, he could be a valuable addition. Unfortunately, Jack is a follower and prefers to be attached to JJJ. This also limits JJJ options.
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