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Post by motorcitysam on Jan 6, 2021 9:03:07 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 14, 2021 10:52:06 GMT -5
Bates with 20 in a win over Spire.
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Post by nctitan on May 1, 2021 10:10:52 GMT -5
Per the Detroit News Bates has reopened his recruiting.
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Post by motorcitysam on May 4, 2021 7:25:20 GMT -5
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Post by titantarheel on May 4, 2021 8:59:19 GMT -5
The kid is still what, 16 or 17? And they are evaluating him in detail in that article as if he's a college senior. It is a bit much, but I guess what else is there to write about with him and might as well generate some content.
Consider me old school but...the whole Ypsi Prep sham-academy thing is pretty goofy to me. I'm not a prep school person anyhow, but this 10 person school merely to train kids to play ball seems likely not in the long term best interests of most kids to go thru. Having said that, it could be the perfect thing for Emoni himself given his unique skills and it seems he has his head on quite right. I don't know. I fear change, get off my lawn...
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Post by upbasketballfan on May 4, 2021 10:02:21 GMT -5
The kid is still what, 16 or 17? And they are evaluating him in detail in that article as if he's a college senior. It is a bit much, but I guess what else is there to write about with him and might as well generate some content. Consider me old school but...the whole Ypsi Prep sham-academy thing is pretty goofy to me. I'm not a prep school person anyhow, but this 10 person school merely to train kids to play ball seems likely not in the long term best interests of most kids to go thru. Having said that, it could be the perfect thing for Emoni himself given his unique skills and it seems he has his head on quite right. I don't know. I fear change, get off my lawn... I have a relative who had Emoni's dad as a student and felt he was a complete jerk. This sure looks like another father trying to live through his son and destroying the son in the process. I think they just did Izzo a favor because Izzo would not let Bates Sr. run his team or would he allow Emoni a lot of minutes until he started to play some D. I have to think that the Ypsi Academy is not accredited and Emoni might not be eligible his first year.
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Post by motorcitysam on May 4, 2021 11:53:40 GMT -5
The kid is still what, 16 or 17? And they are evaluating him in detail in that article as if he's a college senior. It is a bit much, but I guess what else is there to write about with him and might as well generate some content. Consider me old school but...the whole Ypsi Prep sham-academy thing is pretty goofy to me. I'm not a prep school person anyhow, but this 10 person school merely to train kids to play ball seems likely not in the long term best interests of most kids to go thru. Having said that, it could be the perfect thing for Emoni himself given his unique skills and it seems he has his head on quite right. I don't know. I fear change, get off my lawn... I guess I'm old school, too (or at least just old), because I feel the same way about Ypsi Academy. I'm not sure how the academics even work. When Prolific Prep opened a few years ago, they had an arrangement for their players to attend a local high school for academics, and PP was just about basketball. I'm not sure if YA does the same thing. I do know that Jaden Akins, the class of 2022 MSU commit who joined Ypsi Academy last summer left in some dispute and landed at Sunrise Academy in Kansas. I would never have suggested to a kid that they go to a program that is obviously created to benefit one player. Even if it is best for Emoni, it probably isn't best for the other players. Fortunately for Jaden, he had already proven himself as a player and earned that MSU offer. As we have said before, chasing "more exposure" by going to one of the basketball factories has hurt probably as many players as it has helped. If you can play, they'll find you. Josh Jackson basically started Prolific Prep after leaving Detroit Consortium, but he was already considered the top 1 or 2 player in his class when he made that move. Cassius Winston stayed in Michigan at UDJ for his entire high school career, and had one of the best MSU careers ever (which is saying a lot). And both of them are in the NBA. Bates got way overhyped as a middle school player and it just kept growing. I don't want to see a backlash of people tearing him down now.
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Post by titantarheel on Jun 10, 2021 9:45:12 GMT -5
Interesting article about Emoni Bates last week in The Athletic on why he may not be the #1 recruit anymore in class of 2022 behind big man Jalen Duren -- theathletic.com/2637881/2021/06/08/why-could-jalen-duren-not-emoni-bates-be-the-no-1-prospect-in-2022-let-us-count-the-reasons/It's a paywall site, but a few snippets: "It was the kind of performance that made you think Duren might not just be the best big in the Class of 2022 but the best player in the prep ranks, period. Yes, even over wunderkind Emoni Bates, who is now Duren’s grassroots teammate on the Philadelphia-based Team Final. Rivals.com made the switch this spring, ranking Duren ahead of Bates at No. 1. While some wonder if Bates’ game has plateaued, Duren has continued to refine his skill set. And a big reason why is his work ethic and willingness to test himself." "Duren drew comparisons early in his career to Dwight Howard because of his broad shoulders and strength. More recently he has been viewed as another Bam Adebayo, a more modern NBA five-man who can operate on different areas of the court. If everything comes together and he hits his ceiling, you could see a version of Chris Webber. That’s a pitch Michigan coach Juwan Howard, Webber’s former Fab Five teammate, has made to Duren." "Last summer, Duren made his biggest move yet by transferring from Roman Catholic to powerhouse Montverde. He went from being indisputably The Man at his high school to another five-star for coach Kevin Boyle. Montverde’s roster this past season included Caleb Houstan (Michigan), Langston Love (Baylor), Ryan Nembhard (Creighton) and Dariq Whitehead, a top 10 player in the Class of 2022. One thing Boyle has stressed to Duren is that, no matter how good he is now, Duren could find himself on an NBA team where he’s the fourth option on offense, especially in the modern game. Duren wanted to learn how to fit in, not just stand out." "Bates decommitted from Michigan State in late April, and most observers believe he’ll never play college basketball. Duren’s next stop is less clear. He released a top 11 on April 25 that included two professional options — the G-League Ignite team and the NBL. If Overtime Elite really wanted to make a splash, it could offer Duren a huge contract this summer. Duren said he hasn’t ruled out playing in college, either. He has scheduled visits to Miami (his former assistant coach at Roman Catholic, D.J. Irving, was recently hired on Jim Larranaga’s staff), Memphis and Kentucky for this month. As of Sunday night, he wasn’t sure about his other official visits but Villanova, Michigan, UCLA, Auburn, Alabama and Penn State made his list of 11."
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Post by motorcitysam on Jun 10, 2021 10:25:02 GMT -5
Interesting article about Emoni Bates last week in The Athletic on why he may not be the #1 recruit anymore in class of 2022 behind big man Jalen Duren -- theathletic.com/2637881/2021/06/08/why-could-jalen-duren-not-emoni-bates-be-the-no-1-prospect-in-2022-let-us-count-the-reasons/It's a paywall site, but a few snippets: "It was the kind of performance that made you think Duren might not just be the best big in the Class of 2022 but the best player in the prep ranks, period. Yes, even over wunderkind Emoni Bates, who is now Duren’s grassroots teammate on the Philadelphia-based Team Final. Rivals.com made the switch this spring, ranking Duren ahead of Bates at No. 1. While some wonder if Bates’ game has plateaued, Duren has continued to refine his skill set. And a big reason why is his work ethic and willingness to test himself." "Duren drew comparisons early in his career to Dwight Howard because of his broad shoulders and strength. More recently he has been viewed as another Bam Adebayo, a more modern NBA five-man who can operate on different areas of the court. If everything comes together and he hits his ceiling, you could see a version of Chris Webber. That’s a pitch Michigan coach Juwan Howard, Webber’s former Fab Five teammate, has made to Duren." "Last summer, Duren made his biggest move yet by transferring from Roman Catholic to powerhouse Montverde. He went from being indisputably The Man at his high school to another five-star for coach Kevin Boyle. Montverde’s roster this past season included Caleb Houstan (Michigan), Langston Love (Baylor), Ryan Nembhard (Creighton) and Dariq Whitehead, a top 10 player in the Class of 2022. One thing Boyle has stressed to Duren is that, no matter how good he is now, Duren could find himself on an NBA team where he’s the fourth option on offense, especially in the modern game. Duren wanted to learn how to fit in, not just stand out." "Bates decommitted from Michigan State in late April, and most observers believe he’ll never play college basketball. Duren’s next stop is less clear. He released a top 11 on April 25 that included two professional options — the G-League Ignite team and the NBL. If Overtime Elite really wanted to make a splash, it could offer Duren a huge contract this summer. Duren said he hasn’t ruled out playing in college, either. He has scheduled visits to Miami (his former assistant coach at Roman Catholic, D.J. Irving, was recently hired on Jim Larranaga’s staff), Memphis and Kentucky for this month. As of Sunday night, he wasn’t sure about his other official visits but Villanova, Michigan, UCLA, Auburn, Alabama and Penn State made his list of 11." Interesting stuff. I don't think Bates is going to play college basketball. And he definitely needs to get stronger.
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Post by titantarheel on Jul 20, 2021 10:48:51 GMT -5
Keeping up on the Emoni Bates observations (largely for MC Sam's interest), a long article from Seth Davis of the Athletic on his observations from the Nike EYBL showcase just came out. I've pasted his write up on Bates:
"Needless to say, Bates was at the very top of my list of guys I wanted to see. I understand that the people who rank him so high and speak so well of his game have seen him a lot more than I have, and there’s a reason he was named Gatorade National Player of the Year as a sophomore. Still, I came away rather underwhelmed. Bates had an awesome game the night before I arrived, but he was really bad during the game I saw on Friday. He was uninterested, uninvolved, and he took a lot of awful shots. Bates ended up making 6-of-16 from the floor as his team lost by 20 points. Many of the coaches I was sitting with were also seeing him for the first time and had the same reaction. On the other hand, a veteran scout whom I respect simply shrugged. He insisted Bates was the real thing. “Sometimes the bad shots go in, sometimes they don’t,” he said.
Bates did play better the next two games — he made some of those tough shots, including a ridiculous fallaway 3-pointer from deep in the corner — but I still saw a lot of deficiencies. He is very slightly built, and for long stretches he seemed unengaged. Like a lot of players at this stage, Bates has little understanding of how to impact a game when he doesn’t have the ball. His best asset is his ballhandling, and when he is determined enough he can get to the rim almost anytime he wants. I wouldn’t say he’s great at finishing over size, but it’s impossible for defenders to stay in front of him. His defense wasn’t bad — it was nonexistent. On several occasions, I saw him try to defend a fast break that ended in a dunk.
It’s easy to see Bates’ potential. He is tall, long, and during flashes he shows an array of offensive skills. But the general consensus amongst coaches and scouts I talked to is that, while Bates hasn’t exactly regressed over the last year or two, he has not made the progress they expected. He was recently bumped down to No. 2 in the 247Sports composite rankings for the Class of 2022. That’s still very high, obviously, but it’s also a sign that things are not moving in a good direction. As has been well-documented, Bates attends a school in Michigan that was started by his family. His father, E.J., keeps his circle extremely tight — so tight, in fact, that he doesn’t like outside coaches and trainers to work with Emoni. So it’s fair to ask whether not being in a traditional school or a powerhouse prep program is hurting Bates’ progress. Time will tell.
Another thing I noticed about Bates is that you didn’t see a whole lot of big-name coaches at his games. That’s because nobody thinks he will spend a minute in college. He will most likely end up in the NBA G League, where he will get first-rate coaching, training and competitive exposure. It will be interesting to see how ready he is."
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Post by motorcitysam on Jul 21, 2021 8:52:12 GMT -5
Keeping up on the Emoni Bates observations (largely for MC Sam's interest), a long article from Seth Davis of the Athletic on his observations from the Nike EYBL showcase just came out. I've pasted his write up on Bates: "Needless to say, Bates was at the very top of my list of guys I wanted to see. I understand that the people who rank him so high and speak so well of his game have seen him a lot more than I have, and there’s a reason he was named Gatorade National Player of the Year as a sophomore. Still, I came away rather underwhelmed. Bates had an awesome game the night before I arrived, but he was really bad during the game I saw on Friday. He was uninterested, uninvolved, and he took a lot of awful shots. Bates ended up making 6-of-16 from the floor as his team lost by 20 points. Many of the coaches I was sitting with were also seeing him for the first time and had the same reaction. On the other hand, a veteran scout whom I respect simply shrugged. He insisted Bates was the real thing. “Sometimes the bad shots go in, sometimes they don’t,” he said. Bates did play better the next two games — he made some of those tough shots, including a ridiculous fallaway 3-pointer from deep in the corner — but I still saw a lot of deficiencies. He is very slightly built, and for long stretches he seemed unengaged. Like a lot of players at this stage, Bates has little understanding of how to impact a game when he doesn’t have the ball. His best asset is his ballhandling, and when he is determined enough he can get to the rim almost anytime he wants. I wouldn’t say he’s great at finishing over size, but it’s impossible for defenders to stay in front of him. His defense wasn’t bad — it was nonexistent. On several occasions, I saw him try to defend a fast break that ended in a dunk. It’s easy to see Bates’ potential. He is tall, long, and during flashes he shows an array of offensive skills. But the general consensus amongst coaches and scouts I talked to is that, while Bates hasn’t exactly regressed over the last year or two, he has not made the progress they expected. He was recently bumped down to No. 2 in the 247Sports composite rankings for the Class of 2022. That’s still very high, obviously, but it’s also a sign that things are not moving in a good direction. As has been well-documented, Bates attends a school in Michigan that was started by his family. His father, E.J., keeps his circle extremely tight — so tight, in fact, that he doesn’t like outside coaches and trainers to work with Emoni. So it’s fair to ask whether not being in a traditional school or a powerhouse prep program is hurting Bates’ progress. Time will tell. Another thing I noticed about Bates is that you didn’t see a whole lot of big-name coaches at his games. That’s because nobody thinks he will spend a minute in college. He will most likely end up in the NBA G League, where he will get first-rate coaching, training and competitive exposure. It will be interesting to see how ready he is." Thanks for posting this. I saw a lot of progress in Emoni from his freshman to his sophomore year, but he seems to have stalled a bit. I definitely don't think it helps him playing in an environment that was solely created to showcase him. He probably would have been helped by attending someplace like UD Jesuit, or even staying at Ypsilanti Lincoln. A little more emphasis on weight training and bulking up would probably have benefitted him. He's gifted, but being named the next great thing when he was an eighth grader didn't do him any favors. I fully expect him to bypass college completely. I'm rooting for him to do well and maybe a G League year will help him regain some momentum.
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Post by ptctitan on Aug 4, 2021 17:59:50 GMT -5
Emoni Bates reclassifies to 2021.
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 4, 2021 18:07:45 GMT -5
Interesting.
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Post by titantarheel on Aug 25, 2021 22:32:06 GMT -5
I saw a college expert tweet out that with the new NIL rules, bates and co think they can make more money the college route than going the G League. Perhaps part of the calculus.
(Ps, he should’ve stuck with his Msu ‘commitment’, but I keep realizing I’m just becoming an old guy who fears them changing times and the way the world is)
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