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Post by ptctitan on Mar 7, 2019 16:26:50 GMT -5
To start in November 2020. It will old home week for every HL member except us and NKU. Stuff-a-rino! NDIANAPOLIS – Horizon League Commissioner Jon LeCrone and Summit League Commissioner Tom Douple jointly announced Thursday that their league members will begin a men’s basketball “Showdown” series in 2020 that will span three seasons. League officials will work together to ensure the best possible hardwood matchups for the Horizon League-Summit League Showdown based on three criteria: projected team rankings, a 3-year RPI/NET average, and the latest Ken Pom Adjusted Efficiency Rating. Each of those factors will be weighted equally, and starting in June of 2020, they will be used to determine the first set of games for the series that will be played on pre-selected dates. A similar process and timeline will be followed in 2021 and 2022. “Guided by our Board and the Horizon League Council, we have been implementing strategies to improve our national competitiveness in men’s basketball,” said LeCrone. “The Horizon League-Summit League Showdown adds two intriguing, quality games, which we believe helps address the challenges we face in getting home-and-home non-conference contests, provides exciting matchups and fits into our overall vision for excellence.” Each member of the Horizon League and The Summit League will have a home and an away game against two different programs from the other league in each of those three seasons. The Summit League will find a school outside of its membership to be the 10th opponent for the Horizon League. “We are excited to partner with the Horizon League on this scheduling alliance,” said Douple. “We’ve listened to our coaches and their desires to build competitive and equitable schedules for the betterment of our league and their programs. This agreement ensures them of at least two games a season that fit that criteria.” Games will take place in 2020 on November 17th and 21st. In 2021, the dates for the series are November 16th and 20th and in 2022, the dates are November 15th and 19th.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 17:06:50 GMT -5
The Summit League??? This does not excite me at all..
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 7, 2019 19:06:41 GMT -5
The Summit League??? This does not excite me at all.. Yeah, I'd rather just keep playing MAC teams. Better competition and more opportunities for road trips.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 8, 2019 4:01:42 GMT -5
The Summit League??? This does not excite me at all.. Yeah, I'd rather just keep playing MAC teams. Better competition and more opportunities for road trips. +1
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 8, 2019 10:16:47 GMT -5
What is the purpose of this? There's no doubt that scheduling is a real problem for mid-majors. But is it really hard to schedule home and homes with Summit teams? I mean, we just recently finished a H&H with Fort Wayne. If we called South Dakota, or they called us, could we really not schedule a H&H? My sense is that the problem for mid-majors was attempting to get attractive home games against major opponents. I don't think this will reduce our number of guarantee games. It just means we'll be playing Omaha and Oral Roberts instead of Ohio U. and Kent State.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 8, 2019 10:37:00 GMT -5
What is the purpose of this? There's no doubt that scheduling is a real problem for mid-majors. But is it really hard to schedule home and homes with Summit teams? I mean, we just recently finished a H&H with Fort Wayne. If we called South Dakota, or they called us, could we really not schedule a H&H? My sense is that the problem for mid-majors was attempting to get attractive home games against major opponents. I don't think this will reduce our number of guarantee games. It just means we'll be playing Omaha and Oral Roberts instead of Ohio U. and Kent State. Omaha and Oral Roberts is a step down from OU and Kent State. These games will not help and will lower over all league worth. Just another LaCronian move to weaken the league and bring FT. Wayne in. The only thing good about Ft. Wayne is it's right on the Detroit River and almost a home game for us. COME ON RV GET US OUT OF THIS MESS!!!
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 8, 2019 10:40:42 GMT -5
To start in November 2020. It will old home week for every HL member except us and NKU. Stuff-a-rino! NDIANAPOLIS – Horizon League Commissioner Jon LeCrone and Summit League Commissioner Tom Douple jointly announced Thursday that their league members will begin a men’s basketball “Showdown” series in 2020 that will span three seasons. League officials will work together to ensure the best possible hardwood matchups for the Horizon League-Summit League Showdown based on three criteria: projected team rankings, a 3-year RPI/NET average, and the latest Ken Pom Adjusted Efficiency Rating. Each of those factors will be weighted equally, and starting in June of 2020, they will be used to determine the first set of games for the series that will be played on pre-selected dates. A similar process and timeline will be followed in 2021 and 2022. “Guided by our Board and the Horizon League Council, we have been implementing strategies to improve our national competitiveness in men’s basketball,” said LeCrone. “The Horizon League-Summit League Showdown adds two intriguing, quality games, which we believe helps address the challenges we face in getting home-and-home non-conference contests, provides exciting matchups and fits into our overall vision for excellence.” Each member of the Horizon League and The Summit League will have a home and an away game against two different programs from the other league in each of those three seasons. The Summit League will find a school outside of its membership to be the 10th opponent for the Horizon League. “We are excited to partner with the Horizon League on this scheduling alliance,” said Douple. “We’ve listened to our coaches and their desires to build competitive and equitable schedules for the betterment of our league and their programs. This agreement ensures them of at least two games a season that fit that criteria.” Games will take place in 2020 on November 17th and 21st. In 2021, the dates for the series are November 16th and 20th and in 2022, the dates are November 15th and 19th. Petty much says it all. Lacrones overall vision for excellence. STUFF-A-RINO!
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 8, 2019 10:47:58 GMT -5
What is the purpose of this? There's no doubt that scheduling is a real problem for mid-majors. But is it really hard to schedule home and homes with Summit teams? I mean, we just recently finished a H&H with Fort Wayne. If we called South Dakota, or they called us, could we really not schedule a H&H? My sense is that the problem for mid-majors was attempting to get attractive home games against major opponents. I don't think this will reduce our number of guarantee games. It just means we'll be playing Omaha and Oral Roberts instead of Ohio U. and Kent State. Omaha and Oral Roberts is a step down from OU and Kent State. These games will not help and will lower over all league worth. Just another LaCronian move to weaken the league and bring FT. Wayne in. The only thing good about Ft. Wayne is it's right on the Detroit River and almost a home game for us. COME ON RV GET US OUT OF THIS MESS!!! Yup.
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Post by kevinudm on Mar 8, 2019 23:29:03 GMT -5
Not sure I understand why everyone is so negative about this. Under the agreement, over the course of three years UD will play one home game and one road game against a Summit opponent. It wouldn't have been surprising for UD to have had a home-and-series with a Summit team anyway in that time frame. So this just means that UD will get two different opponents rather than repeating one, and that the games will be part of a challenge series. Not a big deal either way, but these seem like small positives.
Coach Davis may not be a big fan if he wants most of the non-conference slate to be guarantee games, on the road. But trips this year to Dayton, Temple, Butler, Xavier et al. did little to develop the Titans.
My only concern is that the Summit needs to find a tenth team to complete the schedule. It would be unfortunate if the only home game UD gets out of this arrangement is with Chicago St., filling in as an honorary Summit team.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 8, 2019 23:38:12 GMT -5
Not sure I understand why everyone is so negative about this. Under the agreement, over the course of three years UD will play one home game and one road game against a Summit opponent. It wouldn't have been surprising for UD to have had a home-and-series with a Summit team anyway in that time frame. So this just means that UD will get two different opponents rather than repeating one, and that the games will be part of a challenge series. Not a big deal either way, but these seem like small positives. Coach Davis may not be a big fan if he wants most of the non-conference slate to be guarantee games, on the road. But trips this year to Dayton, Temple, Butler, Xavier et al. did little to develop the Titans. My only concern is that the Summit needs to find a tenth team to complete the schedule. It would be unfortunate if the only home game UD gets out of this arrangement is with Chicago St., filling in as an honorary Summit team. As I understand it, It's two games a year. As I wrote above, I think that means we play Oral Roberts and Omaha rather than Kent State and Akron. I think people are just frustrated--not that long ago, there was talk of a Horizon/MVC challenge.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 9, 2019 8:31:23 GMT -5
Not sure I understand why everyone is so negative about this. Under the agreement, over the course of three years UD will play one home game and one road game against a Summit opponent. It wouldn't have been surprising for UD to have had a home-and-series with a Summit team anyway in that time frame. So this just means that UD will get two different opponents rather than repeating one, and that the games will be part of a challenge series. Not a big deal either way, but these seem like small positives. Coach Davis may not be a big fan if he wants most of the non-conference slate to be guarantee games, on the road. But trips this year to Dayton, Temple, Butler, Xavier et al. did little to develop the Titans. My only concern is that the Summit needs to find a tenth team to complete the schedule. It would be unfortunate if the only home game UD gets out of this arrangement is with Chicago St., filling in as an honorary Summit team. Probably because nothing in the Horizon improves and strengthens it only keeps weakening under Lacrone. I hope we can opt out of this and then the Summit will not need to find a tenth team.
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Post by kevinudm on Mar 9, 2019 10:15:28 GMT -5
My mistake, it is six games over three seasons. Putting two of 13 non-conference games into this arrangement is a major commitment.
Having said that, I'd like to see more diversity of quality in the non-conference schedule. This year's schedule had one P5 (Cal), four more power conference or almost power conference schools (Temple, Butler, Dayton, Xavier), seven MAC opponents and just one low mid-major (Loyola MD). If this new challenge means that future UD schedules include just five MAC schools rather than seven, I'm not at all bothered. The Titans might fare better against UMKC or Omaha than they did against Bowling Green and Akron.
My guess is that the HL ADs complained to LeCrone that it's becoming increasingly difficult to fill the non-con schedules, and this was his way of helping out. LeCrone is trying something new - there's a lot of challenge series out there, but I don't recall any other that's a full double round robin.
Regardless, I'd rather see two separate conference challenges rather than a double challenge. (Colonial, Southern, Big West or MAAC would all be interesting.) And the "designated" tenth member of the Summit makes no sense, and should not count in the challenge results. More likely the Summit already has plans for a tenth member (Augustana move up from D2?) and this is just a talking point for the interim.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 9, 2019 11:17:31 GMT -5
It's true we've long played a lot of MAC teams--too many this year, I think. I'm still not sure the difficulty in scheduling really comes from getting Home & home series with Summit quality teams. So I think I'd rather keep open the option of scheduling Canisius, Niagara, Evansville, Drake, Bradley, Eastern Kentucky and the like, rather than be pinned down to Summit schools.
It's not a big deal in itself. It's more the long-term drift of the conference, and LeCrone's love affair with the Summit, that I think irritates people. Let's put it this way--setting up a challenge with a league below us in the rankings probably doesn't improve things.
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Post by rbj on Mar 13, 2019 0:13:47 GMT -5
It seems like Lecrone always does the easiest thing possible, he does not think outside the box and he has zero imagination, he looks to the summit league to solve all of the conference problems.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 15, 2019 14:19:25 GMT -5
It seems like Lecrone always does the easiest thing possible, he does not think outside the box and he has zero imagination, he looks to the summit league to solve all of the conference problems. Agreed. That is his "go to" response to any decision. I'm aware I don't know everything that goes on at the HL leadership level, but we haven't seen any sign of creativity or imagination from his office in a LONG time, if ever.
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