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Post by ptctitan on May 8, 2019 15:13:32 GMT -5
We have been suspended from post-season play and our practice time reduced due to the 2017-18 APR of 826 for men's BB that gave us a 4-year average of 920. We needed a 930 4-year average to not be sanctioned. Many thanks to the last two years of Ray's term and the entire Bacari-JJ regime for this result. This is not the result of anything wrong happening during the current staff's first year or anything done by last season's players. School's statement. "Detroit Mercy received notification from the NCAA earlier this week regarding the Academic Progress Rate for all of our athletic programs. The majority of Titan teams exceeded the national standard and were among the top of their respective conferences. However, the men's basketball program recorded a 920 score and fell short of the NCAA's minimum requirement of a 930 APR for the 2014-18 cohort. The academic success and well-being of Detroit Mercy student-athletes remain top priorities. The University has established new parameters to help us achieve academic and retention goals and developed a strong APR Improvement Plan. Part of this plan included the 2018 hiring of head coach Mike Davis to help solidify and build a stable foundation. In addition, the hiring of an Associate Athletic Director in Holly Kerstner will help increase the academic success of all student-athletes. Detroit Mercy believes in the dedicated leadership team for our athletic programs, which will work to increase APR scores and ensure student success on and off the court."
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Post by titantarheel on May 8, 2019 15:56:28 GMT -5
UGH, how very frustrating. Let's just bury this news so that recruits don't focus on it in any way. We probably weren't really tourney bound next season anyhow, but still, to know that is 100% off the table is a shame and embarrassing as a fan.
While AD Vowels had taken steps to redeeming himself with the Davis coup, this major failure is under his watch (although it is largely due to past head coaches, although it is head coaches he was overseeing).
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Post by ptctitan on May 8, 2019 15:56:43 GMT -5
I understand that we will be appealing the sanction.
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Post by ptctitan on May 8, 2019 16:29:55 GMT -5
UGH, how very frustrating. Let's just bury this news so that recruits don't focus on it in any way. We probably weren't really tourney bound next season anyhow, but still, to know that is 100% off the table is a shame and embarrassing as a fan. While AD Vowels had taken steps to redeeming himself with the Davis coup, this major failure is under his watch (although it is largely due to past head coaches, although it is head coaches he was overseeing). It's entirely due to the past two head coaches. The APR rate covers the following 4-season average, 2014-15, 2015-16, 2016-17, and 2017-18. This year's team's APR is 100 points higher and would not have caused a penalty.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 17:22:31 GMT -5
What an embarrassment. We can't seem to get out of our own way sometimes. I'm having a very hard time swallowing this one and I'm not sure what I'm going to do. Not saying he is to blame in this case, but a lot of inexcusable stuff and bad decisions have been made under Vowels watch. This explains the media blackout and the lack of any signings - I know if I were an opposing coach after the same recruit, I'd point out the no post season play possibility. Well, lets just go after foreign kids, who want to just get into the US and don't know any better, and the domestic players who are unsigned in August and will just be happy to go D1.
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Post by ptctitan on May 8, 2019 17:35:31 GMT -5
It's an embarrassment. But we have a strong argument to make that we fired the offending coach a year ago and implemented a better oversight program during this season. Since none of the coaches or students involved are being punished, the post-season suspension should be waived.
This is an issue specific to the prior two coaching staffs and the attrition rates of players due to the two coaching changes. The big problem came from the 826 APR for the 2017-18 season caused by so many players leaving without fulfilling their classroom requirements.
Finally, we are subject to this penalty. The actual report on the NCAA website does not state that the penalty actually has been imposed. But we will have to show why it should not be imposed. Level 1 penalties have been waived in the past under similar circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 17:50:17 GMT -5
It's an embarrassment. But we have a strong argument to make that we fired the offending coach a year ago and implemented a better oversight program during this season. Since none of the coaches or students involved are being punished, the post-season suspension should be waived. This is an issue specific to the prior two coaching staffs and the attrition rates of players due to the two coaching changes. The big problem came from the 826 APR for the 2017-18 season caused by so many players leaving without fulfilling their classroom requirements. Finally, we are subject to this penalty. The actual report on the NCAA website does not state that the penalty actually has been imposed. But we will have to show why it should not be imposed. Level 1 penalties have been waived in the past under similar circumstances. I understand that you want to defend the current coach and no one is blaming him. Bottom line is they didn't meet the minimum APR and there's a penalty for that. We still hired the previous coach and for 2 season, under the watch of the same AD, did nothing to correct the situation. He had to know what the grades were - it should have raised a huge red flag. Programs very often get penalized for something done under the previous coach, it doesn't change what happened or the rules that are in place (if it did, as soon as any violations were committed, a coach would just be fired to make the violations go away). Sometimes, it's better to be a man and take your medicine for the rules that have been broken. For the 2nd night in a row I end up extremely angry with what's going on with U of D men's basketball. So good evening everyone......
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Post by motorcitysam on May 8, 2019 18:05:55 GMT -5
I don't recall us having to face APR related sanctions at any point during Coach Ray's tenure. In two years of the most recent coach, we had four players become academically ineligible, including one player who became ineligible twice in less than a year. I don't think we should be pointing fingers, but if we are going to do that, it's pretty clear where the responsibility most likely lies.
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Post by Commissioner on May 8, 2019 18:59:29 GMT -5
This appears to be almost entirely on BA. Our 4 year score dropped by 192 points in 2018 -- Meaning our 1 year score was--at best--an 828. our 4 year average also dropped in BA's first year.k
We are the only team in D1 basketball disqualified from post-season play next year. I hope the long established trend of generally unfunny, juvenile, and now downright embarrassing jokes about OU will stop. They've got to be laughing their asses off at us, and deservedly so.
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Post by ptctitan on May 8, 2019 19:00:48 GMT -5
I'm not interested in accusing or defending anyone. I'm interested in the truth and when I post on a serious matter like this one, I want to be accurate. Got it?
I've taken a look at how the APR is computed. The school gets points for each player being academically eligible. They also get points for player retention. Here's the kicker.
If a player transfers out and enrolls in another school like Corey Allen did at Georgia State, then the player still counts towards his full retention points. However, if a player leaves and does not enroll in another college, even if the player was academically eligible, you lose all his player retention points for purposes of computing the APR. We had two players from last year's roster transfer out but not enroll in a new college for the 2018-19 academic year. Many here have asked legitimate questions about why they sat out of college completely last year only both to transfer to LIU for the 2019-20 year.
As I compute the APR retention point system, if either player had enrolled in college for the past academic year, that would have earned us enough retention points to put us above 930 and not be subject to the postseason ban Level 1 penalty.
Therefore, I think that we have legitimate grounds for appeal and I think the ban will be waived due to these extenuating circumstances. JMHO.
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Post by ptctitan on May 8, 2019 19:05:11 GMT -5
This appears to be almost entirely on BA. Our 4 year score dropped by 192 points in 2018 -- Meaning our 1 year score was--at best--an 768. our 4 year average also dropped in BA's first year. We are the only team in D1 basketball disqualified from post-season play next year. I hope the long established trend of generally unfunny, juvenile, and now downright embarrassing jokes about OU will stop. They've got to be laughing their asses off at us, and deservedly so. Our score for BA's final year was 826. You can get all of this information from the NCAA website.
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Post by Commissioner on May 8, 2019 19:21:35 GMT -5
This appears to be almost entirely on BA. Our 4 year score dropped by 192 points in 2018 -- Meaning our 1 year score was--at best--an 768. our 4 year average also dropped in BA's first year. We are the only team in D1 basketball disqualified from post-season play next year. I hope the long established trend of generally unfunny, juvenile, and now downright embarrassing jokes about OU will stop. They've got to be laughing their asses off at us, and deservedly so. Our score for BA's final year was 826. You can get all of this information from the NCAA website. 1) by the time you posted this, I was changing that post, realizing my calculation was off (I used a wrong year); 2) 826 sucks 3) that's still a drop of 172 points 4) your first post read to me like you were blaming people, and that included Ray, which I think is wrong.
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Post by ptctitan on May 8, 2019 19:23:27 GMT -5
Was just trying to inform readers of the years used to compute the number.
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Post by motorcitysam on May 8, 2019 19:29:20 GMT -5
I'm not interested in accusing or defending anyone. I'm interested in the truth and when I post on a serious matter like this one, I want to be accurate. Got it? I've taken a look at how the APR is computed. The school gets points for each player being academically eligible. They also get points for player retention. Here's the kicker. If a player transfers out and enrolls in another school like Corey Allen did at Georgia State, then the player still counts towards his full retention points. However, if a player leaves and does not enroll in another college, even if the player was academically eligible, you lose all his player retention points for purposes of computing the APR. We had two players from last year's roster transfer out but not enroll in a new college for the 2018-19 academic year. Many here have asked legitimate questions about why they sat out of college completely last year only both to transfer to LIU for the 2019-20 year. As I compute the APR retention point system, if either player had enrolled in college for the past academic year, that would have earned us enough retention points to put us above 930 and not be subject to the postseason ban Level 1 penalty. Therefore, I think that we have legitimate grounds for appeal and I think the ban will be waived due to these extenuating circumstances. JMHO. "It's entirely due to the past two coaches." Obviously accusing someone, including a coach that the numbers will tell you was not to blame.
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Post by motorcitysam on May 8, 2019 19:38:35 GMT -5
This appears to be almost entirely on BA. Our 4 year score dropped by 192 points in 2018 -- Meaning our 1 year score was--at best--an 828. our 4 year average also dropped in BA's first year.k We are the only team in D1 basketball disqualified from post-season play next year. I hope the long established trend of generally unfunny, juvenile, and now downright embarrassing jokes about OU will stop. They've got to be laughing their asses off at us, and deservedly so. Yes. PLEASE let the OU jokes die.
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