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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 27, 2020 16:37:55 GMT -5
I’m generally a let’s-take-it-one-day-at-a-time kind of a guy and realize that a lot would have to go wrong for this to happen, but could the Coronavirus situation cause large public gatherings, including sporting events, to be nixed for as long as a year?
ESPN’s @kirkherbstreit doesn’t think there will be football this year. He tweeted:
“I will be shocked if we have NFL football & college football this fall...You’re 12 to 18 months away from a vaccine. Until you have a vaccine, I don’t know how you can play ball”
At minimum, there could be a lot of fear and uncertainty, leading to games being cancelled or poorly attended by fans. I love all pro and collegiate sports, and it would sure be a downer to me if Titan basketball had to skip a season.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 27, 2020 16:45:44 GMT -5
I’m generally a one-day-at-a-time kind of guy and realize that a lot would have to go wrong for this to happen, but could the Coronavirus situation cause large public gatherings, including sporting events, to be nixed for as long as a year? ESPN’s @kirkherbstreit doesn’t think there will be football this year. He tweeted: “I will be shocked if we have NFL football & college football this fall...You’re 12 to 18 months away from a vaccine. Until you have a vaccine, I don’t know how you can play ball” At minimum, there could be a lot of fear and uncertainty, leading to games being cancelled or poorly attended by fans. I love all pro and collegiate sports, and it would sure be a downer to me if Titan basketball had to skip a season. Maybe we could backdate it and skip one of the last 4 seasons?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 18:01:05 GMT -5
I’m generally a one-day-at-a-time kind of guy and realize that a lot would have to go wrong for this to happen, but could the Coronavirus situation cause large public gatherings, including sporting events, to be nixed for as long as a year? ESPN’s @kirkherbstreit doesn’t think there will be football this year. He tweeted: “I will be shocked if we have NFL football & college football this fall...You’re 12 to 18 months away from a vaccine. Until you have a vaccine, I don’t know how you can play ball” At minimum, there could be a lot of fear and uncertainty, leading to games being cancelled or poorly attended by fans. I love all pro and collegiate sports, and it would sure be a downer to me if Titan basketball had to skip a season. Maybe we could backdate it and skip one of the last 4 seasons? On an otherwise dark day, this made me laugh...
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 27, 2020 18:26:44 GMT -5
I was thinking about this myself today. I don't think the NBA will be coming back in any recognizable form. (I heard some talk of a tournament type format in Las Vegas.) I don't think baseball is going to be able to get going, given the health risks. I think the NFL and college football are in doubt. I have had experienced health care professionals tell me that things won't get back to normal for 12-18 months. One thing for sure, our lives are going to be different for awhile.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 27, 2020 19:06:37 GMT -5
At Calihan, we might be forced to cap crowds at no more than 1,500 fans for Titans MBB games.
Seriously, how do you recruit, train, obtain revenue, develop a marketing plan, etc., in such a murky environment?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 19:34:19 GMT -5
At Calihan, we might be forced to cap crowds at no more than 1,500 fans for Titans MBB games. Seriously, how do you recruit, train, obtain revenue, develop a marketing plan, etc., in such a murky environment? Since our average attendance was 1437 last season, this shouldn't be a problem. Lucky for us, these murky conditions will be the same for everybody, and players will be available and looking for Schools, so we really can't use this as an excuse for another bad recruiting class
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 28, 2020 8:47:58 GMT -5
I was thinking about this myself today. I don't think the NBA will be coming back in any recognizable form. (I heard some talk of a tournament type format in Las Vegas.) I don't think baseball is going to be able to get going, given the health risks. I think the NFL and college football are in doubt. I have had experienced health care professionals tell me that things won't get back to normal for 12-18 months. One thing for sure, our lives are going to be different for awhile. Baseball certainly won't start on schedule. Depending on how things go, they could start a truncated schedule in summer, perhaps for TV only. We will not continue to shut down the entire economy for a year. The idea was to "flatten the curve," and that is already taking place. The goal is not to eradicate COVID 19, but to manage it and live with it. I would think by autumn a fairly likely approach would be to have professional sporting events played in front of empty stadiums, for TV and radio. By then there should be enough testing kits to test all the players and officials. College football (and of course lesser sports) may differ, as part of the whole idea is that these are students who do live and study on campus, but many if not most colleges may still be using all distance learning. And for smaller colleges--in which I include lower D1 schools--there's not enough TV revenue even if we wanted to abandon the idea of living on campus.
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Post by nctitan on Mar 28, 2020 11:24:37 GMT -5
Be prepared: Empty stadiums are going to reveal a lot of locker-room language on the fields/floors.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 30, 2020 17:06:05 GMT -5
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Post by Rogobob77 on Apr 5, 2020 8:44:44 GMT -5
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Post by calihanmole on Apr 5, 2020 10:10:41 GMT -5
If they don’t have football in 2020 there’s pretty much no chance of hoops in 2020-2021. Especially when you consider that the main reason for scrapping football is fear of the virus having a new outbreak. Basketball runs through the peak of cold and flu season.
If there ends up being no football and no men’s basketball then obviously all NCAA sports are canceled for the academic year. Those two sports subsidize everything else.
There would be a financial fallout for higher education. Schools are going to need to find a way to honor all of these athletic scholarships while not having the revenue from ticket sales, concessions, licensed merchandise, tv money, etc. There is always a lot of talk about colleges exploiting athletes, but the truth is most of the money funnels back to academic programming in one way or another (besides the high salaries that some FB and MBB coaches make).
Im not entirely sure how this shakes out for Detroit Mercy if there’s no athletics. My first thought is, is there a clause in Davis’s contract that allows the university to reduce his pay if there’s some force majeure situation and games aren’t played? Having to eat a $400,000 HC salary would really hurt with no buy games/revenue. I assume that the assistant coaches are at will and could be furloughed. After that, we would be in the situation of having to honor all the athletic scholarships at a time when the endowment is probably down about 25% or more. Assuming the endowment was 100m and is now 75m, that’s not nearly enough spinoff to do much of anything. Basically, the school might need to tap the endowment principal to keep operating. Hopefully UDM has a strong fall enrollment.
I’m not sure I agree with the pessimism in the article. I’m still inclined to think that sports will be played. Americans will only take so much of this isolation and economic fallout in order to protect those at high risk. Maybe that means reduced crowds or no spectators this coming season, but I don’t think this country can go 18 months without sports.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Apr 5, 2020 10:25:47 GMT -5
If they don’t have football in 2020 there’s pretty much no chance of hoops in 2020-2021. Especially when you consider that the main reason for scrapping football is fear of the virus having a new outbreak. Basketball runs through the peak of cold and flu season. If there ends up being no football and no men’s basketball then obviously all NCAA sports are canceled for the academic year. Those two sports subsidize everything else. There would be a financial fallout for higher education. Schools are going to need to find a way to honor all of these athletic scholarships while not having the revenue from ticket sales, concessions, licensed merchandise, tv money, etc. There is always a lot of talk about colleges exploiting athletes, but the truth is most of the money funnels back to academic programming in one way or another (besides the high salaries that some FB and MBB coaches make). Im not entirely sure how this shakes out for Detroit Mercy if there’s no athletics. My first thought is, is there a clause in Davis’s contract that allows the university to reduce his pay if there’s some force majeure situation and games aren’t played? Having to eat a $400,000 HC salary would really hurt with no buy games/revenue. I assume that the assistant coaches are at will and could be furloughed. After that, we would be in the situation of having to honor all the athletic scholarships at a time when the endowment is probably down about 25% or more. Assuming the endowment was 100m and is now 75m, that’s not nearly enough spinoff to do much of anything. Basically, the school might need to tap the endowment principal to keep operating. Hopefully UDM has a strong fall enrollment. I’m not sure I agree with the pessimism in the article. I’m still inclined to think that sports will be played. Americans will only take so much of this isolation and economic fallout in order to protect those at high risk. Maybe that means reduced crowds or no spectators this coming season, but I don’t think this country can go 18 months without sports. Another story that was in today’s Detroit Free Press, discusses implications for coaches salaries: “Iowa State Cyclones coaches will have pay reduced due to losses from canceled events due to coronavirus pandemic” www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2020/04/01/iowa-state-coaches-pay-reduced-losses-coronavirus/5109376002/
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Post by calihanmole on Apr 5, 2020 10:53:06 GMT -5
Interesting. I wonder if Vowels has any room in the Davis contract to reduce pay?
According to the 990 from 2018 (filed in November of 2019), we paid Bacari Alexander $300,000. I know that some people have suggested that we are financially done with BA, but I don’t believe that for a second. I think his contract was at least 5 years, and we owe him at least 300k in 2021 after negotiating a contract severance. Corona or not, no way we get out of paying that money.
I don’t see how we pay BA 300k and Mike Dais 400k (conservative estimates) this year without buy games, ESPN money, ticket revenue.
We also pay Vowels $204,000. Garibaldi needs to pull a rabbit out of his hat in order to save Detroit Mercy athletics. Maybe he can reduce his own salary of $535,000?
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 5, 2020 12:56:57 GMT -5
I guess my question would be, what will be different in the Fall that makes it acceptable for normal sports activities to resume? The quarantine is not curing anything, it's just slowing the spread. It's like we are in a boat with a hole in it; we are pumping out water to keep from sinking, but eventually we need to fix the hole. Seems like that only happens with a vaccine or some sort of effective treatment. Do people think that will happen by the Fall?
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Post by Rogobob77 on Apr 5, 2020 14:17:42 GMT -5
Interesting. I wonder if Vowels has any room in the Davis contract to reduce pay? According to the 990 from 2018 (filed in November of 2019), we paid Bacari Alexander $300,000. I know that some people have suggested that we are financially done with BA, but I don’t believe that for a second. I think his contract was at least 5 years, and we owe him at least 300k in 2021 after negotiating a contract severance. Corona or not, no way we get out of paying that money. I don’t see how we pay BA 300k and Mike Dais 400k (conservative estimates) this year without buy games, ESPN money, ticket revenue. We also pay Vowels $204,000. Garibaldi needs to pull a rabbit out of his hat in order to save Detroit Mercy athletics. Maybe he can reduce his own salary of $535,000? I think we get no real revenue from home ticket sales. What little comes in from that source is more than offset by game operations costs — utilities, usher pay, security, referees, stat crew, etc. Same for WBB of course, as well as all the other expenses for non-revenue sports — everything runs on a deficit. I bet ESPN money is very meager. The buy games is probably only place we take a major hit. The Athletics program is essentially subsidized by general University revenue sources. If they cancelled all sports for a year, even carrying some of the current coaching salaries, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that they actually come out ahead on the balance sheet.
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