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Post by calihanmole on Jul 6, 2020 8:16:30 GMT -5
Maybe. What’s unfair is that the fat universities are going to be the ones that set the narrative and say either: no athletics, no school, or online school with a reduced tuition rate. The Harvards can afford that, but the public is going to expect small tuition dependent schools to do the same. We’ve been talking for years about a massive number of colleges failing or merging. It seems like COVID is going to accelerate that.
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Post by calihanmole on Jul 6, 2020 13:51:45 GMT -5
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Post by calihanmole on Jul 7, 2020 9:11:37 GMT -5
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Post by upbasketballfan on Jul 7, 2020 9:46:37 GMT -5
I think there is an important message we are sending to our young people and I am not sure our educational system is getting the message out correctly. We are supposed to be developing the leaders of the future but some of our educators seem to be intent on developing followers. I am kind of in the same corner as Big Chuck's post earlier in this thread but I probably am even more annoyed about what I perceive borders on a criminal attempt by using Freudian Theory of psychodynamics to control us. ( Edward Bernays and the Manipulation of the Masses ) Bernays was Freud's nephew.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Jul 8, 2020 8:39:29 GMT -5
Looks like Purdue is getting it right. I have always felt Purdue to be a well run University.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jul 8, 2020 15:16:50 GMT -5
According to reports, all Ivy League Fall sports have been cancelled.
Stanford has cut 11 of its 36 varsity sports.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Jul 8, 2020 15:43:50 GMT -5
According to reports, all Ivy League Fall sports have been cancelled. Stanford has cut 11 of its 36 varsity sports. i saw that today. No football , soccer or lacrosse in the Ivy this fall. It wasn't that long ago that football used face shields. Then they morphed to the bars and cages. I wouldn't think it would be that hard to go back to the masks and add filtered resonators.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 16:12:57 GMT -5
According to reports, all Ivy League Fall sports have been cancelled. Stanford has cut 11 of its 36 varsity sports. Not only fall sports, but all sports prior to January. Good bye basketball non conference games
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Post by larrytitan on Jul 8, 2020 21:10:41 GMT -5
There will be no lacrosse this fall in Ivy League as it is a spring sport. As for football and soccer, they may be played in the spring. My daughter is an Ivy League student athlete with a winter sport and we await word on when practice can begin.
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Post by Commissioner on Jul 9, 2020 7:31:20 GMT -5
Definitely would have preferred to have last year cancelled than this upcoming season. I was just getting excited.
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Post by calihanmole on Jul 9, 2020 7:54:39 GMT -5
I just spent 4 days on Mackinac Island. The mask wearing and social distancing was very minimal. I was especially surprised how crowded the restaurants were at times. My prediction is that Americans did spread corona a lot over 4th of July, and that by mid or late July the entire narrative will be so bad on the public health front that the NCAA has no choice but to cancel all sporting activities until at least January first. Like before, the Ivy League is the canary in the coal mine. I also fear that colleges will not open for in person classes, but it seems that is the direction we are heading.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jul 9, 2020 9:00:53 GMT -5
Definitely would have preferred to have last year cancelled than this upcoming season. I was just getting excited. I was getting excited about the Titans, and was already excited about High Point once they inked their 2020 class and their best player announced his decision to stay at HPU. Several teams I root for seemed to be lining up for good seasons.
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Post by ptctitan on Jul 9, 2020 10:04:43 GMT -5
With this version of risk management at universities, there will never be any more sports ever again because no vaccine is 100% effective. And there might not even be a proven vaccine before 2022. If ever. Vaccines themselves have adverse side effects. I got sick from typhoid shots designed to protect me from typhoid. We'll still be slowing the spread in 2030.
Again I ask whether there were any major COVID outbreaks among those schools who participated in the HL tournament last March in Indianapolis. Why? Because two officials on the men's side of things tested positive 1-2 days after that tourney ended and before the MAAC tourney. One was the HL's Supervisor of Officials. All 4 teams on the men's side of things were exposed to those two officials because they officiated the semifinals. The entire scorer's table was exposed for 2 days. No masks. Sweating and loud talking within inches of each other during the games. Video replay reviews where the two infected ref's repeatedly touched the video monitor. They touched the basketballs multiple times each game.
How about all of those NBA players who tested positive in March? Did any of them die? Did any require a ventilator? Did any require prolonged hospitalization? All of this occurred before there were any therapeutics. And antibodies. What are the facts and what is the data?
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Post by Commissioner on Jul 9, 2020 10:23:53 GMT -5
Universities are inherently cautious places. 1. They are universities. Academics like to think of themselves as bold, seeking truth and engaging in cutting-edge research, exploring new ideas etc. Whatever the truth there, however, at heart they are thinkers, not doers. This is generally a more risk averse personality. 2. They are bureaucratic. The modern university is extremely bureaucratic, more so than business and more so than most government agencies. Bureaucracies are risk-averse. 3. They are extremely liberal, especially the administrators. Liberals tend to be more risk averse (trust me, this is emphatically true--it's been many years since I was researching in this area, but historically it is overwhelmingly true. This doesn't make liberals or conservatives good or bad or better or worse, it's just a statement of fact. Risk aversion can be good or bad). 4. They are paternalistic. Though the concept of in parento locus is long gone, in fact universities still have a relationship with their "customers" that is far more engaged than in most business settings, and have a mindset that they must protect the young men and women in their charge. That makes them risk averse.
I don't see it as a question of whether universities are right or wrong on this (and I'm not sure Mole does either, in his many posts on th subject). I think he's just stating the realities of how universities will react. That doesn't bode well for those of us who would be willing to take more risk.
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Post by calihanmole on Jul 9, 2020 10:24:21 GMT -5
ptc, you’re arguing about the facts and data. I mostly (but not completely) agree with what you’re saying. The problem, as I suspect you know, is that it’s public perception and the narrative relayed by media that now controls these decisions. It’s a really bad look for a college to say either (1) our students need to wear masks and we restrict their travel, but we will allow our athletes to travel and compete in physical games, or (2) the Ivy League has determined that it’s not safe to conduct athletics this fall, but we think they are wrong. Its also really bad when the nightly news every evening just talks about COVID. I don’t see how colleges can carry on when the national mood and morale is this bad.
On point one, most universities have already set the restrictions on campus this fall. It’s set. On point two, which just occurred, it’s now only a matter of time until college athletics are canceled this year. The only question is, which is the next domino to fall? I wouldn’t be surprised if Berkeley announced any day that they will not compete in fall sports and then the PAC 12 is shut down by next week,
As to your argument about the vaccines never being 100% effective, that’s not the issue. Americans are deciding that the current level of risk associated with COVID is unacceptable. Perhaps they are wrong in that judgement and perhaps that conclusion has been reached by a slanted media, but that’s where we are. There will be no college athletics this year.
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