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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 9:59:25 GMT -5
I'm again aggravated with recruiting. We have needs, we aren't very good (we may be worse than last season at this point), and the "insiders" promised commit(s) would be coming soon over a month ago. Covid can't be used as an excuse since other teams are signing players and commits are coming based solely on virtual visits/interviews. This seems like the same old song, just a different year for our Coaching staff. So therefore the poll:
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Post by Commissioner on Jun 22, 2020 10:07:24 GMT -5
This staff has not shown the ability to recruit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 10:16:47 GMT -5
Just a recap as to where we stand (I have a feeling my statement "we may be worse than last season at this point" may draw the ire of the hardcore Titan/Davis supporters who can never see the team/staff falling short of the positive): We finished 9th of 10 last season with a 6-12 conference record We lost Maxwell (only played 2 games), Miller, Moore, Boe, LeGrand We gained LeGreair, Liedel, Waterman, Kuol, Fraser
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Post by upbasketballfan on Jun 22, 2020 10:28:25 GMT -5
Just a recap as to where we stand (I have a feeling my statement "we may be worse than last season at this point" may draw the ire of the hardcore Titan/Davis supporters who can never see the team/staff falling short of the positive): We finished 9th of 10 last season with a 6-12 conference record We lost Maxwell (only played 2 games), Miller, Moore, Boe, LeGrand We gained LeGreair, Liedel, Waterman, Kuol, Fraser The players gained players lost already looks like a plus to me and we still have 2 recruits coming.
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Post by ptctitan on Jun 22, 2020 11:38:43 GMT -5
We have commitments from more than the 3 players who disclosed their commitments on Twitter in May. There are some players who do not publicize all of their personal business on social media for various reasons. If the players choose not to publicize their decisions before the coaching staff chooses to release information, then that is the decision of the staff. And there may be valid reasons why our coaches have chosen not to issue recruiting press releases up until now.
In the HL, UIC's last recruiting PR was May 27. CSU's last recruiting PR was April 17. Oakland has not issued a recruiting PR at all since April 3. NKU and WSU have not issued any PR's on players in 2 months.
So, it seems to me that your complaint is with the players who committed here and not with how we are running PR versus others in the HL.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jun 22, 2020 11:39:04 GMT -5
I voted for mid July, but that is just a gut feeling.
The recruiting situation seems bleak now, no question. I don't expect us to be recruiting with Michigan or Michigan State,or with our former conference brethren currently in the Big East. But we should be recruiting on a MAC level.
However, it doesn't seem like we are even up to par with a low major like High Point. HPU got a verbal commitment this week for 2021 from a guard named Brock Williams. He averaged 35 ppg at a small private high school as a sophomore, then transferred to Greensboro Day School, one of the top programs in the South. This past season, as a junior, he was behind two senior guards who signed with NC State and Virginia. Williams came off the bench, but still scored ten points per game. He had multiple D1 offers, and probably would have picked up more after what will probably be a very good senior season. I would have loved to get a guy like that.
As I have said before, I don't think it is easy recruiting to U of D/UDM/Detroit Mercy/Mercy College/etc., but I thought we would be doing better than we are.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 12:03:46 GMT -5
The poll was just meant to be a way to pass the time/express frustration while I/we wait (impatiently) for our next commit. It seems like we waited a long time last year and the commits never came/we gave the scholarship to a walk on. How am I supposed to know that we have multiple unnamed commits? I thought Coach said toward the end of the season that he wasn't going to be as secretive about recruiting? My point in making up the gained/lost list is that we need help. We were one of the worst teams in a poor conference last season and we lost two important players (Moore and Miller), plus Boe, who many (not myself) hated to lose. Plus, I'm not expecting much from the 2 freshman this year and I hope that Waterman gets a waiver (our track record with the NCAA and timely responses isn't great). At the end of the day, I want us to be good; I don't think we are right now; I've been waiting a long time for news on our 2+ other commits that I didn't know existed; I hope they're good because to be anywhere close to contending for a conference title, we're going to need it.
And I voted for early August - It sounds like we're waiting for a press release from the University and no info will be available through social media
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Post by calihanmole on Jun 22, 2020 13:10:07 GMT -5
I voted no more recruits. I suspect it’s possible we sign a couple guys that were off the radar. But, realistically, what can we expect from such recruits? The insiders claim we have more guys committed that just haven’t announced publicly. But, are these mystery recruits also guys that didn’t bother to tweet a finalist list of schools (or have a sports reporter or recruiting website follow them)? If they’re that much OFF the radar, how good are they really? Scout does an amazing job at keeping track of guys we are recruiting. I don’t see him mentioning any guys in play that are significant, and I don’t see any other recruiting sites listing people. Which makes me conclude these mystery dudes are more borderline D1/2 players that won’t make the team better.
I respect what commish said recently about being respectful. Please don’t take this as me being dispirited or rude just for the sake of it, but I can only conclude that the “insider” guys on this board that are donors are being kind of played by the athletics department. If you’re one of the few donors left to this program, you care greatly about the university and the team. And you probably (and rightfully) expect some type of “inside” information. And since there are few serious donors left, Vowels, Davis, other coaches really can’t afford to just ignore you. So, what do they do? They say they have some “guys” recruited or in the works. Maybe they are sincere most of the time and they think these players are coming because, after all, they want this program to be successful as well. Plus, it’s just human nature that it’s tough to break bad news to people doing right by you. So year after year we get the same song about this player or that player or some space eater this, and then we get the excuses come fall: post season ban, player couldn’t get admitted, and - soon to some - COVID. Ironically and kind of sadly, the people financially supporting this program are possibly doing more harm in the long run, as it keeps Vowels in his seat.
Looking at the list of players in/out from last season, I’d say we are basically just as good as far as talent. Just my opinion. I think we needed some solid 3* HS recruits on this team starting when Davis got the job. I get that he had a late start and the first recruiting season was hard. LeGreair might be exactly the kind of player we need. Unfortunately, you can only expect so much from a freshman or sophomore, and if coach can’t get winning seasons by AD’s senior year then we should honestly quit D1 athletics.
I was an advocate of recruiting JUCOs and grad transfers to play along with AD and increase our odds of dancing with mature and proven players. But, it’s now nearly July going into Mike Davis’ third season. We now have definitive proof: very good and sought after grad transfers/JUCOs do not want to play for Detroit Mercy. This is now a fact. As said above, this place is hard to recruit. I don’t really blame Davis. We have bad facilities, little fan support, we’re in a garbage league and have a dumb name with branding problems. Harsh truth is, if you’re a P5 player and want to transfer down to get more minutes there are dozens of more enticing places to go.
All that said, I see absolutely no hope for this program. If I had to make a prediction right now, I’d say we rack up two more seasons each with 7-12 wins and then see Davis leave. Whether we stay D1 after that depends on who the university President is and who is on the board (plus, university finances).
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Post by upbasketballfan on Jun 22, 2020 13:51:28 GMT -5
I voted no more recruits. I suspect it’s possible we sign a couple guys that were off the radar. But, realistically, what can we expect from such recruits? The insiders claim we have more guys committed that just haven’t announced publicly. But, are these mystery recruits also guys that didn’t bother to tweet a finalist list of schools (or have a sports reporter or recruiting website follow them)? If they’re that much OFF the radar, how good are they really? Scout does an amazing job at keeping track of guys we are recruiting. I don’t see him mentioning any guys in play that are significant, and I don’t see any other recruiting sites listing people. Which makes me conclude these mystery dudes are more borderline D1/2 players that won’t make the team better. I respect what commish said recently about being respectful. Please don’t take this as me being dispirited or rude just for the sake of it, but I can only conclude that the “insider” guys on this board that are donors are being kind of played by the athletics department. If you’re one of the few donors left to this program, you care greatly about the university and the team. And you probably (and rightfully) expect some type of “inside” information. And since there are few serious donors left, Vowels, Davis, other coaches really can’t afford to just ignore you. So, what do they do? They say they have some “guys” recruited or in the works. Maybe they are sincere most of the time and they think these players are coming because, after all, they want this program to be successful as well. Plus, it’s just human nature that it’s tough to break bad news to people doing right by you. So year after year we get the same song about this player or that player or some space eater this, and then we get the excuses come fall: post season ban, player couldn’t get admitted, and - soon to some - COVID. Ironically and kind of sadly, the people financially supporting this program are possibly doing more harm in the long run, as it keeps Vowels in his seat. Looking at the list of players in/out from last season, I’d say we are basically just as good as far as talent. Just my opinion. I think we needed some solid 3* HS recruits on this team starting when Davis got the job. I get that he had a late start and the first recruiting season was hard. LeGreair might be exactly the kind of player we need. Unfortunately, you can only expect so much from a freshman or sophomore, and if coach can’t get winning seasons by AD’s senior year then we should honestly quit D1 athletics. I was an advocate of recruiting JUCOs and grad transfers to play along with AD and increase our odds of dancing with mature and proven players. But, it’s now nearly July going into Mike Davis’ third season. We now have definitive proof: very good and sought after grad transfers/JUCOs do not want to play for Detroit Mercy. This is now a fact. As said above, this place is hard to recruit. I don’t really blame Davis. We have bad facilities, little fan support, we’re in a garbage league and have a dumb name with branding problems. Harsh truth is, if you’re a P5 player and want to transfer down to get more minutes there are dozens of more enticing places to go. All that said, I see absolutely no hope for this program. If I had to make a prediction right now, I’d say we rack up two more seasons each with 7-12 wins and then see Davis leave. Whether we stay D1 after that depends on who the university President is and who is on the board (plus, university finances). There are 2 really good bigs left that we have been recruiting but haven't announced yet. I am hoping the one from Texas is still in play.
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Post by ptctitan on Jun 22, 2020 15:01:08 GMT -5
I'm not criticizing the existence of the poll; I'm just pointing out that the lack of information about the other commitments results from the personal decisions of those players not to publicize their decisions yet. Hence, the leap to "these guys can't recruit" is unjustified at this time. Frustration about the lack of information is justified; but we are no more or less officially quiet about our incoming class than the rest of the HL. Added to my list above, YSU's last PR about a recruit was on May 17. GB's was April 22. Milwaukee's last recruiting PR was May 1. I don't know if we will have official news on the unknown recruits before the end of August. Hopefully sooner.
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Post by calihanmole on Jun 22, 2020 15:17:45 GMT -5
UP, what are their names?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 16:15:01 GMT -5
Commish, is it possible to just delete this entire thread/poll? I didn't realize some posters would take my frustration so personally. Sometimes it's better just to not post at all
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 16:27:08 GMT -5
UP, what are their names? Allen Udemadu. The difference is, although other Horizon League teams may not have issued any press releases in months concerning recruits signing, the names of the commits are, in general, available on social media, verbal commits, team message boards, etc and not being kept secret
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Post by Commissioner on Jun 22, 2020 16:30:42 GMT -5
Commish, is it possible to just delete this entire thread/poll? I didn't realize some posters would take my frustration so personally. Sometimes it's better just to not post at all I can. It seems like a pretty ordinary threat to me.
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Post by ptctitan on Jun 22, 2020 17:37:29 GMT -5
hsscout1 - if you are referring to my comments, I'm just trying to provide added information about why the identities of the other new players are not yet known. That's not meant as a personal criticism of your poll or of your opinion in which you expressed your frustration. In fact, the only comment with which I took issue was Commissioner's. And I thought that I explained my reasons for having a different opinion than his.
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