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Dec 8, 2022 14:33:04 GMT -5
Post by motorcitysam on Dec 8, 2022 14:33:04 GMT -5
One thing I have noticed as I listen to college football on satellite radio, where oftentimes it is the University's broadcast team producing and presenting the show: Several programs openly invite their listening fans to contribute money to organizations that will support NIL opportunities for players of that program. That seems contrary to the idea that schools are not supposed to be involved in NIL.
It's the wild, wild west out there, and I don't mean with Jim West and Artemus Gordon.
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Dec 9, 2022 11:22:53 GMT -5
Post by fan on Dec 9, 2022 11:22:53 GMT -5
In the college sports business it's not a level playing field, never has been, if UDM went after a player that Oklahoma State, of Miami, was after UDM has a zero chance of getting that player. NIL is just an added fact to what it was.
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Feb 7, 2023 8:20:49 GMT -5
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Post by Rogobob77 on Feb 7, 2023 8:20:49 GMT -5
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Mar 21, 2023 19:36:13 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 21, 2023 19:36:13 GMT -5
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Mar 25, 2023 21:33:57 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 25, 2023 21:33:57 GMT -5
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 25, 2023 22:38:10 GMT -5
My problem with NIL is that it's not at all clear that the athletes NIL merits the amounts they're getting. Let's be honest--they're getting paid to play basketball, not to endorse products. So the whole charade isn't much better, and maybe worse, than the days of under the table payments. It's really not much different than the old "no show" jobs. If these were really arms-length deals negotiated for market value, it would be fine. But I'm very skeptical that the NIL deals are worth $10 million to Life Wallet (that's the total Ruiz is reported to be spending on NIL deals), outside of the desire of John Ruiz to see Miami field good athletic teams. (Life Wallet markets apps that enable a user to see their medical records in one place--does Nigel Pack give the product credibility to its market?). The idea that players should be able to sell their NIL for ads, personal appearances, and such, is OK with me. I have no doubt that many players could make some decent money off NIL, appearing locally around town, with some of the top players getting bigger deals. But once we're paying the team members simply to play on the court, then basically what we've got is minor league basketball with an indirect payment mechanism (i.e. rather than being paid directly by the school, they're paid indirectly by the boosters.) And oddly (or perhaps not oddly if you think about it) the NCAA and the big schools get to keep profiting from their play on the court--the NCAA and the schools aren't going to compensate the kids from their cut of the tournament television revenue. Wasn't that always the argument--the games are generating all this revenue, why not share it with the athletes? I continue to wonder if fans will stay interested long term. Maybe they will. But when you have paid athletes coming and going every year--Kansas State, it was noted tonight, doesn't have a single player on the roster who did not transfer in--I think eventually people will realize that they're not really rooting for the old alma mater in any meaningful sense. I guess we'll find out.
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Mar 26, 2023 6:11:28 GMT -5
Post by ptctitan on Mar 26, 2023 6:11:28 GMT -5
Just remember what led to NIL - the NCAA video game that used the players' names and jerseys for which the NCAA was paid license fees and royalties, but the players like Ed O'Bannon were not paid for the use of their names, images and likenesses. Through that game, the NCAA was asserting the right to use every player's name, image and likeness to make money for itself.
And, BTW, that's what was so bad about the CBI using Antoine and our players to generate PR for its tournament. They constructed a tournament that paid NIL to the players whose teams made it to the top of the CBI, but they didn't pay NIL to the players they used to gin up interest in their tournament before their selections were announced. Thus, a team we beat by 21 points got the most NIL. How fitting.
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Mar 27, 2023 10:46:23 GMT -5
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Post by happy on Mar 27, 2023 10:46:23 GMT -5
I'm also guessing Jones is like (Mark Mcguire), "show me the money or I am gone". I am interested to know who's his agent?
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 28, 2023 7:20:58 GMT -5
A pretty good (10 minute) YouTube video providing some history of what led to NIL and what might be on the horizon regarding how college athletes are compensated. By Matt Brown of the Extra Points newsletter:
“Did NIL Break College Basketball?”
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 12, 2023 17:32:38 GMT -5
A pretty good (10 minute) YouTube video providing some history of what led to NIL and what might be on the horizon regarding how college athletes are compensated. By Matt Brown of the Extra Points newsletter: “Did NIL Break College Basketball?” Thanks for posting that. It was informative. Discussion of NIL and player compensation has always been impeded by the narrative that "these kids don't get anything" for playing college sports. You can argue that the top level of student athletes don't get enough if you want to, but the "they don't get anything" line has always been false. Trust me, my relatives who were scholarship athletes not good enough for the pros in their sports certainly saw value in their scholarships, stipends, meal plans, housing, etc. I heard Jay Bilas once say that an full ride scholarship was "worthless", and that might be true for him as a high school student whose parents could afford to pay his way, but it's not worthless for 99% of college athletes. That video started with the example of Shabazz Napier, who claimed that he was going hungry as a scholarship athlete. If he was, he chose to. I'm sure that UConn basketball scholarships include a meal plan and every major college basketball program I am aware of has training tables packed with food and food available for players. I'm sure most scholarship athletes rolled their eyes when Napier was telling the world how hungry he was. Seems like in some ways things have swung too far the other way in trying to "correct" the flaws in the student/athlete model. I think we're still early in finding out what the overall impact is going to be on college sports and how it will impact the thousands of athletes who won't play their sports beyond college but are today able to get a degree without taking on thousands in student loans. I've heard it suggested that colleges just scrap the scholarship component and allow players to get paid "market value" through NIL. That would screw a lot of kids, who certainly wouldn't be able to demand a monetary amount equal to the cost a four year college scholarship. I'm still a college basketball fan, but as others on the board have said, I can see my interest waning. And beyond that, I don't see what is happening today being in the long term interest of the sport. But maybe I'm wrong. We'll see, I guess.
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Post by rbj on Apr 12, 2023 18:37:30 GMT -5
A pretty good (10 minute) YouTube video providing some history of what led to NIL and what might be on the horizon regarding how college athletes are compensated. By Matt Brown of the Extra Points newsletter: “Did NIL Break College Basketball?” Thanks for posting that. It was informative. Discussion of NIL and player compensation has always been impeded by the narrative that "these kids don't get anything" for playing college sports. You can argue that the top level of student athletes don't get enough if you want to, but the "they don't get anything" line has always been false. Trust me, my relatives who were scholarship athletes not good enough for the pros in their sports certainly saw value in their scholarships, stipends, meal plans, housing, etc. I heard Jay Bilas once say that an full ride scholarship was "worthless", and that might be true for him as a high school student whose parents could afford to pay his way, but it's not worthless for 99% of college athletes. That video started with the example of Shabazz Napier, who claimed that he was going hungry as a scholarship athlete. If he was, he chose to. I'm sure that UConn basketball scholarships include a meal plan and every major college basketball program I am aware of has training tables packed with food and food available for players. I'm sure most scholarship athletes rolled their eyes when Napier was telling the world how hungry he was. Seems like in some ways things have swung too far the other way in trying to "correct" the flaws in the student/athlete model. I think we're still early in finding out what the overall impact is going to be on college sports and how it will impact the thousands of athletes who won't play their sports beyond college but are today able to get a degree without taking on thousands in student loans. I've heard it suggested that colleges just scrap the scholarship component and allow players to get paid "market value" through NIL. That would screw a lot of kids, who certainly wouldn't be able to demand a monetary amount equal to the cost a four year college scholarship. I'm still a college basketball fan, but as others on the board have said, I can see my interest waning. And beyond that, I don't see what is happening today being in the long term interest of the sport. But maybe I'm wrong. We'll see, I guess. A classmate of mine got a full ride football scholarship to The Ohio State University in 1990. When he moved to an off campus apartment, he received a monthly stipend of around $750.00 for his housing, a food allowance of around $400.00 and a pell grant, which I'm not sure how he qualified for this considering his mom and dad both worked for GM. He was doing well. My interest in college basketball is decreasing every year.
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Apr 12, 2023 19:20:06 GMT -5
Post by Commissioner on Apr 12, 2023 19:20:06 GMT -5
Minor league professional basketball. Might work. The CBA lasted 60 years, propped up for the first 30 or so by unofficial quotas that many NBA teams had on black players, and the USBL lasted two decades. But then again, who ever cared about either league?
Maybe the college affiliation will be the difference. I'm sure that's why most of us are still interested, even if our interest is in decline.
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Apr 13, 2023 5:14:31 GMT -5
Post by ptctitan on Apr 13, 2023 5:14:31 GMT -5
Syracuse's top NIL booster has withdrawn support for the teams due to a dispute with the university's chancellor. Link to story. The stock of the company that supplied Miami's NIL payments (Life Wallet) has dropped over 90% since the $800K deal with Nijel Pack was announced in late April 2022.
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Apr 13, 2023 10:29:37 GMT -5
Post by motorcitysam on Apr 13, 2023 10:29:37 GMT -5
Syracuse's top NIL booster has withdrawn support for the teams due to a dispute with the university's chancellor. Link to story. The stock of the company that supplied Miami's NIL payments (Life Wallet) has dropped over 90% since the $800K deal with Nijel Pack was announced in late April 2022. I'm still trying to figure out what Life Wallet does. One thing that we'll continue to see as a result of NIL is boosters becoming even more powerful.
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 14, 2023 6:47:11 GMT -5
]I'm still trying to figure out what Life Wallet does. One thing that we'll continue to see as a result of NIL is boosters becoming even more powerful. The company's main business is buying unpaid medical bills from hospitals, insurers, doctors and clinics, and then tracking down the debtors and collecting the unpaid bills. Suing them if needed. The CEO, John Ruiz, is a class action lawyer. And his law firm provides a lot of the work for the corporation of which he is CEO. The company's formal name is MSP Recovery. It also buys recovery rights to lawsuits and other claims. Life Wallet is an app. It's designed to collect patient information, allegedly to help health care providers know an accurate history for its patients. It's based upon blockchain and crypto. The company is late filing its annual report for 2022.
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