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Post by Commissioner on Mar 18, 2022 20:06:53 GMT -5
There is no entry fee at all in the Basketball Classic. FWIW, saw this comment about the Basketball Classic on the Youngstown St. message board: “I heard from the ESPN+ broadcast that the buy in for the game was $10,000.” Possible. I've seen multiple reports from press and school web sites saying no fee. And I've no idea how they distribute revenue and whether schools cover their own travel, who pays for referees, etc. But I think there's pretty clearly nothing like a $50,000 fee.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 21, 2022 22:42:37 GMT -5
This was a really average team that rolled us. I am still trying to figure out how this helped us in any way. The only thing good about it is the season is finally over and at the end of the game it looked like we were as healthy as we were when this fiasco started.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 22, 2022 8:10:01 GMT -5
This was a really average team that rolled us. I am still trying to figure out how this helped us in any way. The only thing good about it is the season is finally over and at the end of the game it looked like we were as healthy as we were when this fiasco started. So in other words, none of your fears came through.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 22, 2022 8:42:28 GMT -5
This was a really average team that rolled us. I am still trying to figure out how this helped us in any way. The only thing good about it is the season is finally over and at the end of the game it looked like we were as healthy as we were when this fiasco started. So in other words, none of your fears came through. Pretty double negative to end the season. Anyone sitting on the fence about leaving probably were influenced to exit. Two of the probable starters next year did not even make the trip and the other three played injured. I’m not sure how that helps familiarity and teammate awareness. We thought we were better than we showed at the end of the season but we proved ourselves wrong. I guess a mathematician might be able to get a positive from two negatives but I still can’t see it. Maybe we finally get the rebounder and toughness we need from Adrian Nelson.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 22, 2022 10:03:16 GMT -5
So in other words, none of your fears came through. Pretty double negative to end the season. Anyone sitting on the fence about leaving probably were influenced to exit. Really? How so? No basis for this claim. Three did not play injured, unless we're expanding the category of "injured" beyond all past recognition to include the little aches, pains, and bruises that all players--and lots of us old guys--have all time. Beyond that, deathly interested in the relevance. Your position is that a team should not play games if it is not at full strength? Shiver me timbers, let's cancel most games every year.In other words, none of your fears came through. Have I got that right?
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 22, 2022 10:54:41 GMT -5
Pretty double negative to end the season. Anyone sitting on the fence about leaving probably were influenced to exit. Really? How so? No basis for this claim. Three did not play injured, unless we're expanding the category of "injured" beyond all past recognition to include the little aches, pains, and bruises that all players--and lots of us old guys--have all time. Beyond that, deathly interested in the relevance. Your position is that a team should not play games if it is not at full strength? Shiver me timbers, let's cancel most games every year.In other words, none of your fears came through. Have I got that right? I think you play games you are committed to playing and make every effort possible to win your conference and play in the National Championship. Playing in a third tier tourney in my opinion is not a win win but a lose lose proposition. Going out looking for games to extend your season when you have two starters down a third who would have started, unable to play and 4 of your next five coming off of injury’s is not a recipe for success. Davis must have felt this was best for his team but I fully disagree with him on this decision. Trying to placate a fan base that thinks it is more important to have a more comfortable club room than it is to help the Athletes and University teams which are the purpose of their mission is backwards. How do we justify spending 500000-600000 $ on improvements to the Titan Club and take scholarship $ away from our Student Athletes. Yet the mission of the Club is to assist the Athletes and their teams.
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Post by titantarheel on Mar 22, 2022 12:50:35 GMT -5
The boy who cried wolf on this topic sheesh. Playing in this game no where ranks anywhere among negatives within this program or bad decisions made lately. But pound that drum I suppose, and mix in a completely inaccurate shot related to the Titan Club improvements (ZERO funds were taken away from student athletes, that is just a 100% wrong, incorrect statement surely made to inflame and/or denigrate decision making at 6/Liv). I don't get the continued posting on here to just be so dang negative about EVERYTHING. No one ought to always have on their Titan Blue glasses but ALLLL you ever do is complain, critique. It's an old tired bit.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 22, 2022 14:55:31 GMT -5
The boy who cried wolf on this topic sheesh. Playing in this game no where ranks anywhere among negatives within this program or bad decisions made lately. But pound that drum I suppose, and mix in a completely inaccurate shot related to the Titan Club improvements (ZERO funds were taken away from student athletes, that is just a 100% wrong, incorrect statement surely made to inflame and/or denigrate decision making at 6/Liv). I don't get the continued posting on here to just be so dang negative about EVERYTHING. No one ought to always have on their Titan Blue glasses but ALLLL you ever do is complain, critique. It's an old tired bit. Yes you are right I do complain a lot. I am frustrated and want success for UD. Yet it seem like we can’t get out of our way. My favorite University is not Duke, DePaul , North Carolina , Notre Dame or my alma mater. I am all in on what I feel is an important essential part of Detroit. I am all in on UD and its success. I thought the mission of the Titan Club was to assist student athletes and athletic teams at UD. How can we spend 500000/600000$ on upgrades for our own comfort when we have teams like Womens Soccer no longer giving full rides. In 4 yrs. It will cost our WS players around $50000 dollars to play for UD. Our Coach has to recruit against other schools giving full rides. If we are a HS players first choice but that player must pay $10000+ per year to play here but their second choice is 0 per year, doesn’t it make sense to you that the competing coach and school have a huge advantage. I think you need to take your blue tinted glasses off and pull your head out of where ever it is and find out some facts about what is really going on at your Univetsity. I am not sure at this moment if some of the other coaches have also lost $ for their athletes and teams. Titan Club already has members and spouses who physically are unable to gain access to the Club Room. This # will increase in the upcoming years if the club stays in its present location but we are ready to spend $ for upgrades to be enjoyed by some of our members while the coaches and players we have pledged to support and expect to win are placed on an unlevel playing field!
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 23, 2022 6:46:38 GMT -5
Yes you are right I do complain a lot. I am frustrated and want success for UD. Yet it seem like we can’t get out of our way. My favorite University is not Duke, DePaul , North Carolina , Notre Dame or my alma mater. I am all in on what I feel is an important essential part of Detroit. I am all in on UD and its success. I thought the mission of the Titan Club was to assist student athletes and athletic teams at UD. How can we spend 500000/600000$ on upgrades for our own comfort when we have teams like Womens Soccer no longer giving full rides. In 4 yrs. It will cost our WS players around $50000 dollars to play for UD. Our Coach has to recruit against other schools giving full rides. If we are a HS players first choice but that player must pay $10000+ per year to play here but their second choice is 0 per year, doesn’t it make sense to you that the competing coach and school have a huge advantage. I think you need to take your blue tinted glasses off and pull your head out of where ever it is and find out some facts about what is really going on at your Univetsity. I am not sure at this moment if some of the other coaches have also lost $ for their athletes and teams. Titan Club already has members and spouses who physically are unable to gain access to the Club Room. This # will increase in the upcoming years if the club stays in its present location but we are ready to spend $ for upgrades to be enjoyed by some of our members while the coaches and players we have pledged to support and expect to win are placed on an unlevel playing field! 1. The Titan Club room is being improved in order to turn it into a multi-use room that will function not just as the gathering spot for members of the Titan Club at just 14-15 men's basketball games. It will have multiple use configurations that will benefit all sports - not just men's basketball. This is how similar rooms are used at the on-campus arenas of many power schools. The budget for the project is $500,000+, but that does not mean that all money raised must be spent only on that project if it ends up costing less. 2. The funds for its remodeling have been raised directly from donors. No money from the operations budgets of any teams have been reduced in order to remodel the room. In fact, the impetus and funding for this project has come from the university's advancement office and not from the Athletic Department. This has been a project described for the past two years in the Road to a Championship literature which is not an effort started by the Athletic Department. 3. I'm sorry to learn of an issue that may face women's soccer. All sports should be treated fairly. However, at this time in the history of the university, projects that help men's basketball should be prioritized because, if successful, that sport is the one sport that can plug a lot of the operational budgetary issues about which the other sports complain. The Titan Club room project is one that benefits men's basketball but also benefits all other sports. I am unhappy with a long list of things in the Athletic Department. I don't vent about them much on this board because that is not a productive use of my energy. I want major changes in a lot of things in Athletics. There are some weeks in which I spend as much time working on shaking up that department as much as I work in my own business. The most important fact about the Titan Club room project is that despite the institutional inertia and bean counter's paralysis that infects Athletics, we have started something happening and will show some progress so the coaches can show their recruits that the university is actually doing something to improve things in Calihan Hall. At this point in time, IMO, that's more important than the scholarship and budget wish lists in all other sports. And it's more important than whether this project ought to have been the first one started. Break the inertia!
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 23, 2022 7:12:24 GMT -5
Men's basketball is and must be the primary focus of the athletic department. Most schools that are really strong in other sports are strong in the revenue sports (football and men's basketball), which are also the media sports. It is success in men's basketball and football--and only those sports-- that can help build public profile, enrollment, donations. It may well be fair to say that the best thing one could do right now for women's soccer is to spend $500,000 on the men's basketball program. All this is just reality. Here is a top 10 list of sports, in order of priority that each should be given by the athletic department and university administration:
1. Men's basketball 2. Men's basketball 3. Men's basketball 4. Men's basketball 5. Lacrosse 6. Men's basketball 7. Men's basketball 8. Women's basketball 9. Men's basketball 10. Everything else.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 23, 2022 9:14:10 GMT -5
Yes you are right I do complain a lot. I am frustrated and want success for UD. Yet it seem like we can’t get out of our way. My favorite University is not Duke, DePaul , North Carolina , Notre Dame or my alma mater. I am all in on what I feel is an important essential part of Detroit. I am all in on UD and its success. I thought the mission of the Titan Club was to assist student athletes and athletic teams at UD. How can we spend 500000/600000$ on upgrades for our own comfort when we have teams like Womens Soccer no longer giving full rides. In 4 yrs. It will cost our WS players around $50000 dollars to play for UD. Our Coach has to recruit against other schools giving full rides. If we are a HS players first choice but that player must pay $10000+ per year to play here but their second choice is 0 per year, doesn’t it make sense to you that the competing coach and school have a huge advantage. I think you need to take your blue tinted glasses off and pull your head out of where ever it is and find out some facts about what is really going on at your Univetsity. I am not sure at this moment if some of the other coaches have also lost $ for their athletes and teams. Titan Club already has members and spouses who physically are unable to gain access to the Club Room. This # will increase in the upcoming years if the club stays in its present location but we are ready to spend $ for upgrades to be enjoyed by some of our members while the coaches and players we have pledged to support and expect to win are placed on an unlevel playing field! 1. The Titan Club room is being improved in order to turn it into a multi-use room that will function not just as the gathering spot for members of the Titan Club at just 14-15 men's basketball games. It will have multiple use configurations that will benefit all sports - not just men's basketball. This is how similar rooms are used at the on-campus arenas of many power schools. The budget for the project is $500,000+, but that does not mean that all money raised must be spent only on that project if it ends up costing less. 2. The funds for its remodeling have been raised directly from donors. No money from the operations budgets of any teams have been reduced in order to remodel the room. In fact, the impetus and funding for this project has come from the university's advancement office and not from the Athletic Department. This has been a project described for the past two years in the Road to a Championship literature which is not an effort started by the Athletic Department. 3. I'm sorry to learn of an issue that may face women's soccer. All sports should be treated fairly. However, at this time in the history of the university, projects that help men's basketball should be prioritized because, if successful, that sport is the one sport that can plug a lot of the operational budgetary issues about which the other sports complain. The Titan Club room project is one that benefits men's basketball but also benefits all other sports. I am unhappy with a long list of things in the Athletic Department. I don't vent about them much on this board because that is not a productive use of my energy. I want major changes in a lot of things in Athletics. There are some weeks in which I spend as much time working on shaking up that department as much as I work in my own business. The most important fact about the Titan Club room project is that despite the institutional inertia and bean counter's paralysis that infects Athletics, we have started something happening and will show some progress so the coaches can show their recruits that the university is actually doing something to improve things in Calihan Hall. At this point in time, IMO, that's more important than the scholarship and budget wish lists in all other sports. And it's more important than whether this project ought to have been the first one started. Break the inertia! I understood there was an initial donation of $200000 towards something that would have an immediate impact on Athletics. This was steered into the present Titan Club project we are discussing. The Orange had to be squeezed for the additional funds. I agree things in the Club room needed to be upgraded. The restrooms and their stench of urine were second to Tom’s Tavern in the 70’s. We already have Club Members and their Spouses who have to sit in the lower bowl because they can not get up to their seats upstairs. So now we are going to spend a half million + to upgrade a room that is handicap inaccessible. Are we taking into account that some of the groups, in our pipe dreams, who we are hoping will utilize this room might have individuals who are handicapped. I realize in desperation we might be at a point where we feel it is necessary to eat our young but I question that thought pattern. We want student involvement at the basketball home games but there is already student resentment towards the basketball programs and this might reinforce that. Especially if we are weakening programs which are already struggling. Remember we need 14 programs 7W and 7M or 6M and 8W in order to remain D1.
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Post by calihanmole on Mar 23, 2022 9:17:20 GMT -5
What would be the monetary value of changing the name of the university to UD and reinstalling the old logo? I’m guessing millions of dollars.
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 23, 2022 10:46:00 GMT -5
I understood there was an initial donation of $200000 towards something that would have an immediate impact on Athletics. This was steered into the present Titan Club project we are discussing. The Orange had to be squeezed for the additional funds. I agree things in the Club room needed to be upgraded. The restrooms and their stench of urine were second to Tom’s Tavern in the 70’s. We already have Club Members and their Spouses who have to sit in the lower bowl because they can not get up to their seats upstairs. So now we are going to spend a half million + to upgrade a room that is handicap inaccessible. Are we taking into account that some of the groups, in our pipe dreams, who we are hoping will utilize this room might have individuals who are handicapped. I realize in desperation we might be at a point where we feel it is necessary to eat our young but I question that thought pattern. We want student involvement at the basketball home games but there is already student resentment towards the basketball programs and this might reinforce that. Especially if we are weakening programs which are already struggling. Remember we need 14 programs 7W and 7M or 6M and 8W in order to remain D1. 1. We looked at the feasibility of other locations before deciding on renovating the current location. The main reason for looking at other locations was the potential of easier access for fans. The most cost effective project ended up being renovating the current space. It turns out that the cost of fixing the plumbing may be less expensive than originally feared. If RTC is successful, perhaps we will have enough money to make Calihan ADA compliant. 2. You have to stop thinking about that space as just the Titan Club room. It will be used mostly by student athletes for several different purposes like a training table in a much improved sports nutrition program or an alternate film room so more than one team can conduct video sessions at the same time. And it will be used as a pre-game and postgame gathering room for parents when their sons and daughters play lacrosse and soccer or are running track and field or playing softball. 3, Student and fan engagement is the responsibility of the Athletic Department. This has been a cascading failure for the past two decades. It is not a 9-5 job like some employees would like it to be.
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Post by larrytitan on Mar 23, 2022 11:58:49 GMT -5
Student apathy is not the same as student resentment.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 23, 2022 12:45:12 GMT -5
Yup! We’re going to take away the full rides and it’s going to cost you $50000 out of pocket to play here but the good news is we have a really nice spot for you to study game films, that should work!
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