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Post by ptctitan on Mar 5, 2023 18:00:57 GMT -5
You are also supporting the current players on the team who will return next year and gain experience from playing some more games. If the CBI had a recent history of inviting only winning teams, then maybe there is a point to be made. But the CBI has taken some teams with worse records. And power 6 teams with just 5 or fewer conference wins. Tankersley, Jones and Kyle would benefit from this as much or more so than Antoine. We would also be showing our commitment Hurst and other potential recruits that we will support them. It's not like these guys laid down this year when things got tough. If a tournament invites us, we should go.
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Post by udballer on Mar 5, 2023 18:49:23 GMT -5
At this point, if we are invited... we should announce and go.
That said, nobody benefits from going more than Antoine. That's just a silly comment. With our coach... there's no telling whether those others you mentioned even get to play.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 5, 2023 19:00:48 GMT -5
From the CBI twitter account. I'd expect an invitation.
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Post by hyperion on Mar 5, 2023 19:31:47 GMT -5
Hey FAN, there are more people on here like Trevergoat than you think. U of D has had many great past players who have also won. 5 years of losing is not what you want to see as a fan (no pun intended). I'm not quite sure I understand this. We're losing a lot, so we shouldn't do something to get the program some positive PR and show future athletes that we will support them? That strikes me as a remarkably foolish strategy. FWIW, I think continuing on the unremarkable road we are on is a foolish strategy. |
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 5, 2023 19:48:28 GMT -5
All postseason tournaments are no longer for winners. The tourneys other than the NCAA and NIT are promotional tools for their sponsors. CBI is a promotional tool for College Basketball Insider. In that respect, they are more like MTEs than a way to determine the final ranking of a team. This has been a recent development in this century. It happened because the NCAA bought the NIT thereby ending the last privately controlled post season tournament. Even the NCAA sells sponsorships for its March Madness brand.
The NIT was started as a marketing gimmick by the basketball writers of metro NYC in about 1938. When the NCAA began to invite more teams and got its first big TV contract, the NIT began to lose its stature. The CBI took a West Virginia team that was 4-14 in its conference and a Pitt team that was 5-13 in its conference. It took a Cal State Northridge team that was 13-20 overall. It has never been a tournament to determine the next ranked teams after the Top 100.
Antoine's benefit from playing would be mixed. He would get the total career points record, but he would open himself up to a lot of criticism coming from the SEC-oriented media like Outkick. It's not going to increase his likelihood of getting drafted or even signed in the NBA, G-League or elsewhere. His pro fate is likely pretty much set except for any pro camps. The returning players would get more game time action together. And perhaps through this competition, they would experience some success from which to build for the next year. You compete to take the chance.
Creighton, Loyola and many other schools with developing programs have seen the benefit of playing in the CBI or other similar tournaments even though they paid to play after having been invited. The benefits to their returning players and the rewards to their graduating players for a good effort outweighed the negative PR from having paid to play.
The question I asked myself was: "If Antoine were not 3 points away from Maravich's career points record and we were invited to play, should we accept?" I answered the question, "Yes." This is especially true since the school will not lose any of its own money to send the team. Any negative press coverage is not really a downside for the school because it gets the name out there. When you are trying to break through to the upside, you scratch and claw and take any opportunity that comes your way. And if we've screwed up in the past by not accepting past invites, then it's time we change course and start to do things differently. We should emulate the 4-14 Power 5 Mountaineers who were not too proud to pay to play. IMO, not going keeps us on the past unremarkable road.
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Post by nctitan on Mar 5, 2023 20:36:03 GMT -5
I would like to think if UDM goes to the CBI, and get AD's record is behind them, they go forward and play as a team. The games that they play basketball as a team (Oakland and FW) they were a very dangerous team. Nothing wrong with being a Cinderella team. Everyone loved Loyola Chicago a few years back (Sister Jean) and last year everyone on this board wanted us to be the next Saint Peter's. This is our chance. |
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 5, 2023 20:36:28 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure I understand this. We're losing a lot, so we shouldn't do something to get the program some positive PR and show future athletes that we will support them? That strikes me as a remarkably foolish strategy. FWIW, I think continuing on the unremarkable road we are on is a foolish strategy. And not going to the CBI gets us off that road? Please explain. |
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Post by udballer on Mar 5, 2023 20:52:37 GMT -5
I would like to think if UDM goes to the CBI, and get AD's record is behind them, they go forward and play as a team. The games that they play basketball as a team (Oakland and FW) they were a very dangerous team. Nothing wrong with being a Cinderella team. Everyone loved Loyola Chicago a few years back (Sister Jean) and last year everyone on this board wanted us to be the next Saint Peter's. This is our chance. What? Cinderella team in the CBI? There's no such thing. If Detroit Mercy plays in the CBI this year it will be the very first CBI game I've ever watched and I consider myself a huge college basketball fan. There is no Cinderella run through the CBI because nobody is paying attention. We have zero chance of being this year's Saint Peters... because we didn't come anywhere near making the tournament that people actually watch. |
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Post by nctitan on Mar 5, 2023 21:14:33 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with being a Cinderella team. Everyone loved Loyola Chicago a few years back (Sister Jean) and last year everyone on this board wanted us to be the next Saint Peter's. This is our chance. What? Cinderella team in the CBI? There's no such thing. If Detroit Mercy plays in the CBI this year it will be the very first CBI game I've ever watched and I consider myself a huge college basketball fan. There is no Cinderella run through the CBI because nobody is paying attention. We have zero chance of being this year's Saint Peters... because we didn't come anywhere near making the tournament that people actually watch. I don't expect the Titans to watch Antoine score six points and then walk off the floor. I expect they will play to win and even if you're not watching them on TV there will be positive noise if we do well. And, suprise! but if AD is in the CBI tournament going after Pete Maravich's record people will be paying attention and writing about the Titans. And isn't that what we want, good things for the team and the University? Well, at least some of us do. |
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Post by hyperion on Mar 5, 2023 21:25:38 GMT -5
…The question I asked myself was: "If Antoine were not 3 points away from Maravich's career points record and we were invited to play, should we accept?" I answered the question, "Yes." …. If it wasn’t for the fact that Antoine is 3 points shy of the record, there is zero chance we get an invite at 13-19. |
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Post by hyperion on Mar 5, 2023 21:45:23 GMT -5
FWIW, I think continuing on the unremarkable road we are on is a foolish strategy. And not going to the CBI gets us off that road? Please explain. It serves no purpose to continue the season, as a 13-19 team, if only to achieve success for one individual. |
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Post by calihanmole on Mar 5, 2023 21:48:07 GMT -5
And not going to the CBI gets us off that road? Please explain. It serves no purpose to continue the season, as a 13-19 team, if only to achieve success for one individual. |
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 5, 2023 22:30:38 GMT -5
…The question I asked myself was: "If Antoine were not 3 points away from Maravich's career points record and we were invited to play, should we accept?" I answered the question, "Yes." …. If it wasn’t for the fact that Antoine is 3 points shy of the record, there is zero chance we get an invite at 13-19. But he is three points shy of the record, and it appears we do get an invite. So the question is still valid: If he weren't three points shy, would we accept an invite? I also answer "yes." |
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 5, 2023 22:34:15 GMT -5
And not going to the CBI gets us off that road? Please explain. It serves no purpose to continue the season, as a 13-19 team, if only to achieve success for one individual. Really? It serves no purpose? First, that still doesn't answer the question. You said we shouldn't go because we've been failing for years. So how does not going change that? As to the purposes... tons of free PR, more practices and games for our returning players, a message to recruits that wie will work for them to achieve success, and a chance for a CBI run that many teams and coaches in the past have said served as a springboard for future success. And oh, by the way, I think that achieving success for one individual is a pretty decent purpose in sports and in life. |
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 6, 2023 0:38:46 GMT -5
Not going would just be a continuation of bad athletic decisions made by the University at Liv. And 6. Haven’t made a good decision in about 30 years why change now? Continue to say how unsuccessful the program is and then make decisions to limit its advancement. Sounds about right down there. Been losing for so long that we no longer know how to win. I agree with the Commish 100% on this one.
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