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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 26, 2024 10:54:11 GMT -5
I've said it before and I'll say it again...somewhat (but not entirely) sadly, I think it's time for dear old U of D to drop to Division III, bring back football, and play in the MIAA. Imagine a crisp fall Saturday afternoon in a reasonably expanded stadium taking on the Alma College Scots, the smell of roasting sausages and local beer wafting over the packed tailgate lot. We'd be a little big enrollment-wise for the conference, where the average is 2,313, but we'd save a ton on athletics, likely be somewhat competitive, and probably attract more male students who want to play non-scholarship football. It might happen...sooner than later. It seems pretty likely that there will be some significant changes in how schools are classified by the NCAA in the next few years, and the power schools might exit from the organization all together. My guess is that until that shakeup which will have ramifications for all schools across the board, UDM will take a wait-and-see position and thus remain in D1 for the foreseeable future. |
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 26, 2024 10:59:21 GMT -5
Looks like the state university system has about 250,000 students, it doesn't look like there are many students left to go around. That's down from 299,000 in 2014. Falling birthrates beginning to affect supply and demand. |
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Post by titansforever on Mar 26, 2024 11:47:52 GMT -5
The NCAA allows some DII or DIII schools to designate one sport D1, like Johns Hopkins lacrosse, Union hockey, RPI hockey, Edinboro wrestling, etc. The NCAA should allow D1 programs to sponsor DIII football. It would pay for itself in the form of tuition and fees from 100 or so new students, add some life to many campuses and give the alums another point of connection, because like it or not football is the most popular sport in the country.
There is non-scholarship FCS football, but the league is so far-flung and spread out it is cost-prohibitive. We could easily play a complete DIII schedule within a 3-4-hour bus ride.
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Post by professorjackson on Mar 26, 2024 11:51:02 GMT -5
I used to think Pioner League football made sense for us, but that is one spread out conference...
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 26, 2024 12:04:15 GMT -5
The NCAA and the IRS disagree with you. Also, I'm not sure what that has to do with the point of the post. The Department of Education says it's a for-profit organization. GCU is owned by Grand Canyon Education Inc., a publicly traded company ($133 a share on NASDAQ if you want to own a piece of a college!) and the two share an address. The courts have sided with the Department of Education. It is listed as the only for-profit college in the NCAA Div 1 ranks. The IRS and the State of Arizona consider them non-profit. The court case with the Department of Education is under appeal and still ongoing. According to the NCAA rules, for-profit programs are not eligible for revenue distribution and in 2022, the most recent info I could find, the NCAA distributed over 600K to GCU. Aside from that, does their disputed status have some relevance to my post or are you just making conversation? Not trying to be snarky, just trying to see your point. |
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 26, 2024 12:51:37 GMT -5
The NCAA allows some DII or DIII schools to designate one sport D1, like Johns Hopkins lacrosse, Union hockey, RPI hockey, Edinboro wrestling, etc. The NCAA should allow D1 programs to sponsor DIII football. It would pay for itself in the form of tuition and fees from 100 or so new students, add some life to many campuses and give the alums another point of connection, because like it or not football is the most popular sport in the country. There is non-scholarship FCS football, but the league is so far-flung and spread out it is cost-prohibitive. We could easily play a complete DIII schedule within a 3-4-hour bus ride. It costs over $1000 per player for equipment. Insurance cost probably around $350000 we need a field to play on and practice on. A minimum of 4 coaches would be necessary + travel! For a Lower level D1 program start up costs would be around 10 million$ plus about 1 million a year to keep it going. So 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by professorjackson on Mar 26, 2024 13:55:28 GMT -5
I think DIII is less expensive. collegefactual says our athletics budget is between $11 and $12 million, while Alma's is between $4 and $5 million while Adrian is under $4 million...
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Post by professorjackson on Mar 26, 2024 13:57:57 GMT -5
I know we're not going DIII unless it's a total surrender, so my proposal is kind of tongue in cheek. But if we really spend $12 million on intercollegiate athletics, it's not a hard case to make that the money could be better spent on something else to get more bang for the buck.
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Post by titansforever on Mar 26, 2024 15:18:27 GMT -5
The NCAA allows some DII or DIII schools to designate one sport D1, like Johns Hopkins lacrosse, Union hockey, RPI hockey, Edinboro wrestling, etc. The NCAA should allow D1 programs to sponsor DIII football. It would pay for itself in the form of tuition and fees from 100 or so new students, add some life to many campuses and give the alums another point of connection, because like it or not football is the most popular sport in the country. There is non-scholarship FCS football, but the league is so far-flung and spread out it is cost-prohibitive. We could easily play a complete DIII schedule within a 3-4-hour bus ride. It costs over $1000 per player for equipment. Insurance cost probably around $350000 we need a field to play on and practice on. A minimum of 4 coaches would be necessary + travel! For a Lower level D1 program start up costs would be around 10 million$ plus about 1 million a year to keep it going. So 🤷🏻♂️ That's why you go DIII; 100 players each paying about 20K per year after no-athletic scholarship aid is $2 million in revenue. Program pays for itself. |
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 26, 2024 20:20:29 GMT -5
It costs over $1000 per player for equipment. Insurance cost probably around $350000 we need a field to play on and practice on. A minimum of 4 coaches would be necessary + travel! For a Lower level D1 program start up costs would be around 10 million$ plus about 1 million a year to keep it going. So 🤷🏻♂️ That's why you go DIII; 100 players each paying about 20K per year after no-athletic scholarship aid is $2 million in revenue. Program pays for itself. Not if it cost 5-6 million to get started. Th 10 million was a figure that a university Looking to start a lower level program came up with in a feasibility study. |
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