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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 6, 2019 23:38:49 GMT -5
They didn't charge them with violations of NCAA rules or policies. They charged them using the applicable federal statutes. I am no lawyer, but I know you don't get to tell the feds to ignore crimes they discover while investigating your criminal deeds.
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 7, 2019 8:14:01 GMT -5
I hear you Sam. But the Adidas guys and Dawkins were not convicted of hiding money from the federal government by not paying taxes on it. They were convicted of wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud. And the named victims were the universities - not the federal government.
The false pretenses claimed in the wire fraud was not a violation of federal law. It is not a crime to pay a referral fee to someone in return for an expected endorsement of a certain product. Shoes are a legal product. Paid endorsements are legal.
The false pretenses claimed by the federal government were the violations of NCAA ethics rules. And these were tied into federal authority to prosecute because universities that received federal assistance funds could have been harmed because their athletes, through their families, violated NCAA rules, thereby causing the universities themselves to violate NCAA rules.
I do not have any sympathy for any of the individuals or schools involved. I do get very concerned, however, whenever any government invents a new theory to put anyone in jail for legal conduct.
These violators should be banned for life from any business dealings with any NCAA member institution, any high school or prep school, or any player or their families. However, they should not go to jail for even one day and they should not have to live the rest of their lives with a felony conviction on their records. They committed no crime.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 7, 2019 8:35:26 GMT -5
They didn't charge them with violations of NCAA rules or policies. They charged them using the applicable federal statutes. I am no lawyer, but I know you don't get to tell the feds to ignore crimes they discover while investigating your criminal deeds. The question is whether such things should be federal crimes. We could make it a federal crime to fail to tell your wife you love her in a phone conversation (the use of the phone would give it the necessary "interstate commerce" hook), and then prosecute people for it. www.goodreads.com/book/show/6611240-three-felonies-a-day[/a]
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 7, 2019 16:28:27 GMT -5
Seems like a wild scenario to come up with to make that point.
And I am well aware of the history of overreach and prosecutorial misconduct we've seen from the federal government, even without reading a book with a foreword by Alan Dershowitz.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 7, 2019 16:30:10 GMT -5
More news on the case from Dan Wetzel on Twitter:
"In a superseding indictment filed this afternoon, federal prosecutors allege Christian Dawkins paid bribes to unnamed assistant coaches at schools located in Nebraska and Texas. Sources say the two schools are Creighton and TCU. In the court filing, US attorney says "no new charges" have been filed. The assistant coaches at those schools are thus unlikely to be charged with crimes the way previous assistant coaches were."
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 8, 2019 14:47:32 GMT -5
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Post by rbj on Mar 10, 2019 1:22:36 GMT -5
Will Wade is in trouble, it will be interesting to see if he will get another D1 job. I doubt if he coaches at LSU again.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 10, 2019 1:37:10 GMT -5
Will Wade is in trouble, it will be interesting to see if he will get another D1 job. I doubt if he coaches at LSU again. I think you are probably right. Also, Javonte Smart is being held out of games while the LSU looks into this latest development. LSU beat Vanderbilt today to clinch the SEC regular season crown.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 12, 2019 11:58:44 GMT -5
This isn't related to college hoops, per se, but it does strike me as related to this thread, raising all the same questions: what the heck is going on with our colleges and universities, and our elites? Should such affronts be against federal law, or left to the private parties involved (and possibly state law)? Note actress Lori Loughlin and her fashion designer husband paid $500K to get their two daughters into USC. USC? I mean, c'mon man, USC is a good school, but Harvard it ain't. And does that mean not just USC, but schools with similar standards, were otherwise turning her kids down? Is a degree from USC really worth $250,000 more than a degree from San Diego or UC-Santa Cruz? This is amazing to me. www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-accuses-wealthy-parents-including-celebrities-in-college-entrance-bribery-scheme/2019/03/12/d91c9942-44d1-11e9-8aab-95b8d80a1e4f_story.html?utm_term=.a2501f66a9fd&wpisrc=nl_most_03072019&wpmm=1
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 13, 2019 17:15:36 GMT -5
This isn't related to college hoops, per se, but it does strike me as related to this thread, raising all the same questions: what the heck is going on with our colleges and universities, and our elites? Should such affronts be against federal law, or left to the private parties involved (and possibly state law)? Note actress Lori Loughlin and her fashion designer husband paid $500K to get their two daughters into USC. USC? I mean, c'mon man, USC is a good school, but Harvard it ain't. And does that mean not just USC, but schools with similar standards, were otherwise turning her kids down? Is a degree from USC really worth $250,000 more than a degree from San Diego or UC-Santa Cruz? This is amazing to me. www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-accuses-wealthy-parents-including-celebrities-in-college-entrance-bribery-scheme/2019/03/12/d91c9942-44d1-11e9-8aab-95b8d80a1e4f_story.html?utm_term=.a2501f66a9fd&wpisrc=nl_most_03072019&wpmm=1That whole case is crazy to me. I think it's common knowledge that the right donation amount can get your kid into just about any school, but the whole idea of faking profiles and athletic resumes, as well as using a guy who specializes in such conduct to guide the way, is more than I expected to hear about.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 13, 2019 17:16:56 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 4, 2019 15:31:38 GMT -5
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 11, 2019 7:27:53 GMT -5
Louisville has confirmed that it has received a formal notice of inquiry from the NCAA related to the actions of its assistant coaches disclosed during the trial. The first act involves a $900 payment to a recruit from assistant coach Jordan Fair. The second act involves the promise of the $100,000 payment to Brian Bowen's father by Adidas.
"The University of Louisville received a verbal notice of inquiry from the NCAA in early March, a school spokesman confirmed to The Athletic in an email on Wednesday."
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