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Post by nctitan on Jan 3, 2021 22:13:42 GMT -5
Maxwell is averaging 19.5 points per game. In Division II.
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Post by nctitan on Jan 3, 2021 22:30:05 GMT -5
I always liked Ray McCallum, he may not have been the greatest X and O coach, but his teams had talent, they were fun to watch and he had class. I'm sure why he was run out of town, maybe Tulane will send him back. Ray is a nice guy, a really nice guy. And classy. Very likeable. I liked him, too, but .... He had three winning seasons in the eight he coached at Detroit Mercy. Only twice in those eight campaigns did the Titans finish in the top half of the conference. In his final three seasons he won 42% of his games (pretty much the same percentage as the Lions since 1957, the Pistons since 2008, and the Tigers since 2015) and never finished higher than sixth in a smaller conference. He recruited some good players, but quite a few of those flunked out. He was a terrible bench coach, not a great teacher, didn't get maximum success out of his best rosters. If you were looking for a new coach, would you hire someone who promised an eight-year run like that?
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Post by Commissioner on Jan 3, 2021 22:55:04 GMT -5
I always liked Ray McCallum, he may not have been the greatest X and O coach, but his teams had talent, they were fun to watch and he had class. I'm sure why he was run out of town, maybe Tulane will send him back. Ray is a nice guy, a really nice guy. And classy. Very likeable. I liked him, too, but .... He had three winning seasons in the eight he coached at Detroit Mercy. Only twice in those eight campaigns did the Titans finish in the top half of the conference. In his final three seasons he won 42% of his games (pretty much the same percentage as the Lions since 1957, the Pistons since 2008, and the Tigers since 2015) and never finished higher than sixth in a smaller conference. He recruited some good players, but quite a few of those flunked out. He was a terrible bench coach, not a great teacher, didn't get maximum success out of his best rosters. If you were looking for a new coach, would you hire someone who promised an eight-year run like that? Actually, Ray had 5 winning seasons in his 8 at Detroit, and was in the top half of the conference 3 times.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jan 3, 2021 23:59:55 GMT -5
Well, look at that. The same person is back making up stuff about Ray McCallum because the actual facts don't fit his false narrative. New year, same BS.
It never fails. Another post-McCallum Titan season finds us at the bottom of the HL, and the same cast of characters crawls out to rip on Coach Ray. It's as predictable as fish flies on Lake St. Clair.
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Post by nctitan on Jan 4, 2021 8:37:36 GMT -5
Ray is a nice guy, a really nice guy. And classy. Very likeable. I liked him, too, but .... He had three winning seasons in the eight he coached at Detroit Mercy. Only twice in those eight campaigns did the Titans finish in the top half of the conference. In his final three seasons he won 42% of his games (pretty much the same percentage as the Lions since 1957, the Pistons since 2008, and the Tigers since 2015) and never finished higher than sixth in a smaller conference. He recruited some good players, but quite a few of those flunked out. He was a terrible bench coach, not a great teacher, didn't get maximum success out of his best rosters. If you were looking for a new coach, would you hire someone who promised an eight-year run like that? Actually, Ray had 5 winning seasons in his 8 at Detroit, and was in the top half of the conference 3 times. I got my stats from McCallum’s Wikipedia page: 2008-09 – 6-23 (2-16, 10th in the league) 2009-10 – 19-14 (9-9, 7th in the league) 2010-11 – 16-16 (10-8, tied for 5th in the league) 2011-12 – 20-14 (11-7, tied for 3rd in the league) 2012-13 – 18-13 (12-4, 2nd in the league) 2013-14 – 11-19 (6-10, tied for 7th in the league) 2014-15 – 13-18 (7-9, 6th in the league) 2015-16 – 14-15 (9-9, 6th in the league) Winning seasons in 2009-10, 2011-12, and 2012-13. Ten teams in the league, so top half of the league in 2011-12 and 2012-13. Tied for 5th in 2010-11 could be considered top half, I guess. The school's Wiki listing has slight differences, and I think that is because those numbers include exhibition games. Don't get me wrong. I liked Ray (as I said in my post) and I think that for the most part he represented the program well. But if we were looking for a new coach his resume would not rise to the top of the pile. He didn't land another head coaching job, and I think his role at GSU and Tulane has been recruiting, which is his strong point.
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Post by nctitan on Jan 4, 2021 8:39:33 GMT -5
Well, look at that. The same person is back making up stuff about Ray McCallum because the actual facts don't fit his false narrative. New year, same BS. It never fails. Another post-McCallum Titan season finds us at the bottom of the HL, and the same cast of characters crawls out to rip on Coach Ray. It's as predictable as fish flies on Lake St. Clair. The context of my post was a response to the comment: “Maybe Tulane will send him back.” Would you hire him back, Sam?
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Post by ptctitan on Jan 4, 2021 9:12:31 GMT -5
On December 1, 2017, someone using an IP address associated with the library network in Dearborn or a home address in the western suburbs of Detroit went into Ray's Wikipedia page and edited his coaching record at Detroit by not counting all wins over non-D1 opponents that were part of the regular schedule. That person cited the NCAA coaching record database for these edits. But the NCAA coaching record data base awards Ray's record the non-exhibition wins over non-D1 opponents. So, the edit was inaccurate and has remained on his page uncorrected ever since. If anyone this board has editing credentials on Wikipedia, he/she could restore Ray's record on his page back to what the NCAA and the university both show on their websites.
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Post by Commissioner on Jan 4, 2021 9:21:23 GMT -5
Actually, Ray had 5 winning seasons in his 8 at Detroit, and was in the top half of the conference 3 times. I got my stats from McCallum’s Wikipedia page: 2008-09 – 6-23 (2-16, 10th in the league) 2009-10 – 19-14 (9-9, 7th in the league) 2010-11 – 16-16 (10-8, tied for 5th in the league) 2011-12 – 20-14 (11-7, tied for 3rd in the league) 2012-13 – 18-13 (12-4, 2nd in the league) 2013-14 – 11-19 (6-10, tied for 7th in the league) 2014-15 – 13-18 (7-9, 6th in the league) 2015-16 – 14-15 (9-9, 6th in the league) Winning seasons in 2009-10, 2011-12, and 2012-13. Ten teams in the league, so top half of the league in 2011-12 and 2012-13. Tied for 5th in 2010-11 could be considered top half, I guess. The school's Wiki listing has slight differences, and I think that is because those numbers include exhibition games. Don't get me wrong. I liked Ray (as I said in my post) and I think that for the most part he represented the program well. But if we were looking for a new coach his resume would not rise to the top of the pile. He didn't land another head coaching job, and I think his role at GSU and Tulane has been recruiting, which is his strong point. Those numbers are incorrect. You can check out the Titans web page which has all season records, at Sports Reference, or in the Horizon League Record book. Season | Overall | Conference | Conference Position | 2009 | 7-23 | 2-16 | 10th | 2010 | 20-14 | 9-9 | 7th | 2011 | 17-16 | 10-8 | 5th (tie) | 2012 | 22-14 | 11-7 | 3rd (tie) | 2013 | 20-13 | 12-4 | 2nd | 2014 | 13-19 | 6-10 | 7th (tie) | 2015 | 15-18 | 7-9 | 6th | 2016 | 16-15 | 9-9 | 6th |
I'm not saying this was or should be good enough--I'll leave that discussion aside. I do suspect--but of course we can never know--that the 2017 Titans, at least would have been pretty competitive with Ray still in charge. (McFolley, Allen, Jenkins, Hogan, & Blackshear as likely starters, Jerod Williams, Matthew Grant, and Aaron Foster-Smith off the bench, plus whomever would have been added in the spring, and assuming Paris Bass would not have returned). I agree that Ray's weakness was as a bench coach. But those are the actual numbers, if we're gonna debate this again.
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Post by nctitan on Jan 4, 2021 9:59:12 GMT -5
I understand that the numbers in Ray's listing do not include wins over D2 schools.
I don't understand the nostalgia for Ray's tenure, other than it was less chaotic than the ensuing seasons.
I'll go back to my original context: Would we pursue a coach with this record? Ray was recruiting marginal college-quality players. At least three of Commish's nine rotation players had academic qualification issues. I understand giving a chance to a marginal player every now and then, but Ray's final rosters had much too high a percentage of those players. That is not what the University of Detroit Mercy stands for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 10:12:28 GMT -5
Look at what we have right now - is this what the University stands for? Davis is 20-50 and things aren't getting better (1-7 this season). We are a joke in a weak Conference and all we get are excuses and "mental health" breaks. I'm tired of losing and now we supposedly have more bad news coming. I'd take Ray and his "competitive" and "winning" results anytime.
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Post by Titan Jim on Jan 4, 2021 10:35:27 GMT -5
...and now we supposedly have more bad news coming. What bad news?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 10:52:26 GMT -5
...and now we supposedly have more bad news coming. What bad news? This was posted yesterday evening by dtowntitan:
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Post by Commissioner on Jan 4, 2021 11:21:51 GMT -5
Thought I'd gather into one post some stats on former Titans still in the College ranks:
Marquis Moore: Has played in 8 games (1 start, 10 mpg) for Southern Utah (Big Sky). Averaging 2.8 ppg, 2.1 rpg. In 5 games against D-1 competition those numbers drop to 7.6 mpg, 1.4 ppg, 0.2 rpg.
Alonde LeGrand: Has played in 9 games (1 start, 11.8 mpg) for Northern Florida (Atlantic Sun). Averaging 1.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.8 apg, twice as many turnovers as assists. In 7 games against D-1 competition he's averaging 14.3 mpg, 1.0 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.7 apg.
Boe Nguidjol: At Prairie View (SWAC). Has not played. Appears to be red-shirting. When he signed, Prairie View's Coach said he expected to see Boe on the floor "from day 1." Typical coach's blather? Injury? Has Boe just disappointed? I don't know.
Harrison Curry: Has played in 1 game for Siena (MAAC) (Siena's only game this year). Came off bench to play 6 minutes in 1-point win over Monmouth. Made his only shot attempt, a 3 pointer. Had 1 turnover; was a zero everywhere else in the stat sheet.
Sam Hofman: Enrolled at Salt Lake CC. The team has not played this year due to Covid-19.
B.J. Maxwell: At St. Edward's (D-2 Lone Star Conference). Started all 4 of team's games, averaging 25.8 points, 4.8 rebounds, 2 assists. Shooting 50% overall, 38.1% from three. Had 47 points against Midwestern State last week-end, 2nd highest single game total in school history. St. Edward's is ranked #9 in Division 2.
Corey Allen: At Georgia State (Sunbelt). Leads 7-2 Georgia State in scoring at 15.4 ppg; currently 4th in the nation in 3 point field goal percentage. Corey is definitely the one we let get away. Of course, he was a McCallum recruit, who transferred out during Bacari's tenure.
Jermaine Jackson, Jr.: At Long Island (NEC). Has started both of LIU's games this year, and is second on the team in minutes (35 mpg) and scoring (19.0 ppg). Has made 8 of 17 threes.
Jack Ballantyne: At Long Island (NEC). Has started both of LIU's games, averaging 25.0 mpg, 6.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg.
Ed Carter: At Xavier (New Orleans) (D-2). Former Titan walk-on has started all 3 of team's games. Averaging 6.3 ppg.
Obviously it would have been nice to keep Corey Allen, but he'd have graduated by now even we had. Jackson and Ballantyne are both legit mid-majors, and Jackson still has the ability to be a star. Of course, the two of them screwed us royally. Best wishes and all.
As Scout noted, it's tough to say what Maxwell would have done. Nor do I know if it was he or the coaches who initiated his transfer. Maxwell proved at Abilene that he could be a productive D-1 player--albeit at a lower level than the Horizon--and I think we could use him. But would he contribute more than Johnson, Fraser, or Kuol? I'm skeptical. I'd rather have him now than Taurean, but none of us knew that at the time. I don't know what the staff knew about Taurean's situation, but with Johnson, Fraser, and Kuol on board I'd have gambled on Thompson over Maxwell.
Harrison Curry could probably be useful, too, but let's not kid ourselves that he's the answer. Could he have played last year? If so, we wouldn't have him now anyway, as he'd have used up his eligibility.
As for the others from last year's squad, well, Moore and Nguidjol occasionally showed positive signs, but it's interesting to note that both (and LeGrand and Hofman, too) have gone to lesser programs in lesser leagues and been asked to do less. There was a point last year when a lot of Titan fans seemed to be saying "this team is better than this," or "I can't wait until our sophs become seniors," and the like. My view was more like, "if these guys were any good, wouldn't we win a bit more?"
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Post by JDetroitTitan on Jan 4, 2021 11:44:57 GMT -5
Look at what we have right now - is this what the University stands for? Davis is 20-50 and things aren't getting better (1-7 this season). We are a joke in a weak Conference and all we get are excuses and "mental health" breaks. I'm tired of losing and now we supposedly have more bad news coming. I'd take Ray and his "competitive" and "winning" results anytime. I disagree with the Davis and getting ride of him. Getting ride of coaches quick is what got us in this issue. We finally removed the ban off of are program that has been hindering the recruiting process for two year along with giving us limited practice time. I do want to win and I still believe Davis will get us there. I like that we are playing big time programs in are nonconference play. We are starting to look more competitive against these programs this year. Don't forget the history of Ray we only had 2 good seasons out of 8. being in the middle of the packed isn't competitive it just mediocre . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_McCallum
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Davis_(basketball_coach) Let me put this here so you can compare each of there records. At this time I agree with "We are a joke in a weak Conference and all we get are excuses and "mental health" breaks. I'm tired of losing" . But I don't thing getting rid of Davis is the solution to the problem. I can see the little things that are moving this program in the right direction. Each year we have gotten better recruits than the previous year. We play big programs on the nonconference which brings in more money and puts are name out there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 12:04:40 GMT -5
Look at what we have right now - is this what the University stands for? Davis is 20-50 and things aren't getting better (1-7 this season). We are a joke in a weak Conference and all we get are excuses and "mental health" breaks. I'm tired of losing and now we supposedly have more bad news coming. I'd take Ray and his "competitive" and "winning" results anytime. I disagree with the Davis and getting ride of him. Getting ride of coaches quick is what got us in this issue. We finally removed the ban off of are program that has been hindering the recruiting process for two year along with giving us limited practice time. I do want to win and I still believe Davis will get us there. I like that we are playing big time programs in are nonconference play. We are starting to look more competitive against these programs this year. Don't forget the history of Ray we only had 2 good seasons out of 8. being in the middle of the packed isn't competitive it just mediocre . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_McCallum
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Davis_(basketball_coach) Let me put this here so you can compare each of there records. At this time I agree with "We are a joke in a weak Conference and all we get are excuses and "mental health" breaks. I'm tired of losing" . But I don't thing getting rid of Davis is the solution to the problem. I can see the little things that are moving this program in the right direction. Each year we have gotten better recruits than the previous year. We play big programs on the nonconference which brings in more money and puts are name out there. I never said I wanted to get rid of Davis. Just stating that based on their tenures at U of D, I'd take Ray's "competitive" and "winning" (or even mediocre, if that's what you want to call it) results anytime over what Davis has done so far. Let's hope Davis will change my mind by winning some games and achieving some long term success. The upgrade in talent this season is a nice start, but the 1-7 record just doesn't cut it
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