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Post by rbj on Apr 6, 2018 9:29:13 GMT -5
Per Coaching changes on twitter I feel like this is similar to (background wise) but better overall than BA and way better than some of the other "common" names everyone is coming up with. But still not inspiring - I hope they think outside the box with some of their other candidates. I really expect a coach to be hired very soon. At the latest by the middle of next week This would be the third time Stephens has applied for the job. I agree, that his name is the most interesting on the list. I dont like that he doesnt have any experience as a head coach on any level. I am also uncomfortable going down this route again after the BA disaster.
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 6, 2018 21:11:01 GMT -5
Zach Hankins of Ferris State, the D-II national Player of the Year, graduates this year with 1 year of eligibility remaining--i.e.,, he's an immediately eligible grad transfer. This struck me as a small but not irrelevant reason to hire Andy Bronkema. But Hankins has announced he is transferring to Xavier for his final season.
If Bronkema is the Titans choice, it sure would have been nice to bring Hankins with him.
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Post by titantarheel on Apr 7, 2018 15:34:53 GMT -5
Latest per The Athletic on action the past few days...
UT-Arlington is rumored to announced Texas Tech assistant Chris Ogden as new head coach. Fresno State is to hire Justin Hutson, past 5 years was assistant at San Diego State. Florida Gulf Coast promoted assistant Michael Fly to head coach. Rhode Island promoting assistant David Cox. South Dakota bringing in former Grand Canyon associate head coach Todd Lee.
Otherwise, a lot of news and updates on teams filling out their staffs with Assistants. I'm starting to hear the clock tick-tock a little louder with each day we don't have a Head Coach named. No panic, but we do need to get it going here soon enough.
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 7, 2018 19:44:53 GMT -5
Commissioner - I did not mean that our HC position is completely unattractive. I meant that it is not as attractive as many of us think. Is it a coincidence that all the remaining unfilled D-1 HC jobs involve teams with RPI's above 200?
UNC-Asheville has won the Big South regular season 2 years in a row. It has made the NCAA 3 of the last 7 years. This year, it made the NIT. It has 11 consecutive seasons of 15 wins or more. That is a much more attractive program than ours.
By making the decisions that he has made, and if JJ will not be the head coach, then Vowels has decided to start over from the very bottom. That decision alone should inform us about the true state of the men's program.
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 7, 2018 20:36:06 GMT -5
Commissioner - I did not mean that our HC position is completely unattractive. I meant that it is not as attractive as many of us think. Is it a coincidence that all the remaining unfilled D-1 HC jobs involve teams with RPI's above 200? UNC-Asheville has won the Big South regular season 2 years in a row. It has made the NCAA 3 of the last 7 years. This year, it made the NIT. It has 11 consecutive seasons of 15 wins or more. That is a much more attractive program than ours. By making the decisions that he has made, and if JJ will not be the head coach, then Vowels has decided to start over from the very bottom. That decision alone should inform us about the true state of the men's program. Really? You think the UNC-Asheville job is objectively more attractive than UofD? People, including coaches, are motivated by different things, but the Detroit job pays MUCH better. Nick McDevitt, who just left the UNC-Asheville job after 5 years, earned $144,000 last year. Bacari Alexander earned three times that or more, as did Ray McCallum before him. The Detroit job has more money for assistant coaches, too. The Horizon ain't the conference it used to be, but it is a better conference than the Big South. The Big South's NCAA entrant has been seeded 16th in 8 of the last 10 years (as far back as I went). They were 15th 1 year, and 13th another. The Horizon champ has NEVER been seeded 16th. Even if we start from when Butler left the Horizon, the Horizon champ has been seeded at least a full line above the Big South champ in 6 of 7 years. This year, the worst RPI year in Horizon history, the Horizon champ was 2 lines above Big South champ. The Horizon still has an average attendance 20% higher than the Big South, and Detroit higher than Asheville every year except this last one. Detroit is still a better recruiting area than western Carolina, too. Detroit is no longer a better job than Middle Tennessee State, where McDevitt was hired, but it is WAY better than UNC-Asheville unless a guy has a particular attachment to Asheville. One could argue that UNC-A is a more successful program for the past few years, but it is NOT a better head coaching job. I agree with you that our job is not as attractive as some think--we've got our share of delusional fans. And you are also right that our value is at an historic low, and falling. But ours is still an objectively better job than probably 40-60% of DI positions, including several that I've listed in other posts. P.S. No, it is not a coincidence that the open positions have high RPIs. It's exactly what you'd expect, since it's eams with low RPIs are more likely to change coaches, and thus make up a majority of the jobs available. And teams with low RPIs are more likely to come from the ranks of traditional powers, whose jobs open due to retirements and are much coveted. The main reason our job is still open is that we didn't decide to make the change for 3 weeks after the season.
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 7, 2018 20:51:09 GMT -5
Latest per The Athletic on action the past few days... UT-Arlington is rumored to announced Texas Tech assistant Chris Ogden as new head coach. Fresno State is to hire Justin Hutson, past 5 years was assistant at San Diego State. Florida Gulf Coast promoted assistant Michael Fly to head coach. Rhode Island promoting assistant David Cox. South Dakota bringing in former Grand Canyon associate head coach Todd Lee. Otherwise, a lot of news and updates on teams filling out their staffs with Assistants. I'm starting to hear the clock tick-tock a little louder with each day we don't have a Head Coach named. No panic, but we do need to get it going here soon enough. We're awfully close to panic time. Signing season starts on Wednesday.
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 8, 2018 5:25:08 GMT -5
I said that over recent years, UNC-Asheville's men's BB program is better than ours. For some candidates, that will be important. For others, not so much. It depends upon how each candidate views their career paths. Some will opt for the challenge of schools like us. Others will view a solid program like UNC-Asheville as a more probable way to get a better job than even ours. MTSU was paying its HC about $750K. That step-up for UNC-Asheville's former HC puts him on a strong career path.
The schools with even worse RPI's than ours fired their coaches long before we fired Bacari. Their jobs remain open. In recent years, our program has been trending towards those programs. That's a negative.
Also, there is the likely fit between the type of coach that we want and the school itself. It's pretty clear that Vowels has decided to take things in a different direction and that he knows the importance of this hiring decision. In the longer term, it is better that he get this one right than rush the process by a few days in order to save the 2018-19 season. I've written off next season already. But I do agree that the timing of the firing does not help the situation.
BTW, I am not disagreeing with Commissioner - just trying to clarify what I said earlier.
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Post by titantarheel on Apr 8, 2018 18:12:54 GMT -5
Latest per The Athletic on action the past few days... UT-Arlington is rumored to announced Texas Tech assistant Chris Ogden as new head coach. Fresno State is to hire Justin Hutson, past 5 years was assistant at San Diego State. Florida Gulf Coast promoted assistant Michael Fly to head coach. Rhode Island promoting assistant David Cox. South Dakota bringing in former Grand Canyon associate head coach Todd Lee. Otherwise, a lot of news and updates on teams filling out their staffs with Assistants. I'm starting to hear the clock tick-tock a little louder with each day we don't have a Head Coach named. No panic, but we do need to get it going here soon enough. We're awfully close to panic time. Signing season starts on Wednesday. Hmm, time sorta flies by and Wednesday signing day has snuck on me. So yes, I'm actually now that much more concerned for how all of this unfolds. We are starting to appear to be an outlier with just how long our opening has been there, especially as you look at 40-50 some schools already having replaced/named a new head coach. But, with all respect to this Message Board being a much more sane and civil place I'm limiting any kind of unnecessary hyperbole or breathless proclamations (for now at least ).
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 9, 2018 6:11:06 GMT -5
The length of time being taken by Vowels to make a decision is actually OK by me. It's only two weeks since BA was fired. The length of time being taken indicates that Vowels has decided to move in a different direction than just promoting Jackson. Since Vowels was apparently fooled by Bacari's interview and application two years ago, likely he realizes that he needs to employ a better vetting process. It's the three weeks it took to fire Bacari that is most concerning.
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 9, 2018 7:52:39 GMT -5
The length of time being taken by Vowels to make a decision is actually OK by me. It's only two weeks since BA was fired. The length of time being taken indicates that Vowels has decided to move in a different direction than just promoting Jackson. Since Vowels was apparently fooled by Bacari's interview and application two years ago, likely he realizes that he needs to employ a better vetting process. It's the three weeks it took to fire Bacari that is most concerning. I agree it's more important to get it right than to get it fast. What I'm critical of is the apparent lack of understanding of the process and timelines. By mid-February Vowels should have been pretty sure what he was going to do. The Titans' season ended March 2. It took over 3 weeks to pull the trigger. You just can't afford that. BA and RV should have met by March 6 and made a decision by March 9. And it's now been two more weeks since BA was canned, suggesting that they hadn't thought too much about what they wanted to do after, or who likely candidates should be. In other words, I agree I'd rather get it right than fast. I just don't see the two as incompatible. But now we are where we are, so what can you do.
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Post by titantarheel on Apr 9, 2018 8:06:38 GMT -5
No real disagreement gents -- the right decision is the most important part of that. BUT, could the right decision be made in a more timely way? We are seeing other schools get clarity on their staffing, and starting to assess/build out their rosters.
Two Jeff Goodman tweets in the last day, relevant to new coaches and teams that have gone thru them...
"Xavier has landed Columbia grad transfer Kyle Castlin, he told ESPN. New coach Travis Steele quickly adding some pieces that can help next season." (why getting a HC named and getting going on filling out the team is important)
"Villanova assistant Ashley Howard expected to be head coach at La Salle, source told ESPN." (per Commish's 'Assistant from Bigger Program' profile option of a new head coach)
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 9, 2018 14:21:10 GMT -5
I would guess that the Titan job also gets less attractive as time passes, since it makes it tougher to get together any kind of recruiting class, or to try to keep guys like Allen and McFolley in the fold. Plus, some candidates will take other jobs. Right over fast, sure, but can't afford to dawdle.
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Post by demititan on Apr 10, 2018 17:59:32 GMT -5
Hi everyone, newcomer to the board here. I've been reading this and the other board for years, and finally gave in to joining one.
Regarding candidates, I was watching a Pistons game last week (yes, people do still watch them!), and "The University of Detroit" got a mention from Greg Kelser. He emphasized the need for someone at the university to highly consider Rick Mahorn for head coach, assistant AD or some role because he would provide a lot to the program.
It made me think a little. Obviously Rick Mahorn is pushing for a presence within the program, if Greg Kelser made it a point to call this out. While many would not consider him for the HC position, it would be interesting for him to have some other sort of position within athletics. What role would that be and how could he use his passion (and popularity) to benefit the program?
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 10, 2018 18:36:47 GMT -5
Hi everyone, newcomer to the board here. I've been reading this and the other board for years, and finally gave in to joining one. Regarding candidates, I was watching a Pistons game last week (yes, people do still watch them!), and "The University of Detroit" got a mention from Greg Kelser. He emphasized the need for someone at the university to highly consider Rick Mahorn for head coach, assistant AD or some role because he would provide a lot to the program. It made me think a little. Obviously Rick Mahorn is pushing for a presence within the program, if Greg Kelser made it a point to call this out. While many would not consider him for the HC position, it would be interesting for him to have some other sort of position within athletics. What role would that be and how could he use his passion (and popularity) to benefit the program? Glad to have you participating. I've said I'd prefer someone who's won at a D-I program. But Mahorn is certainly an intriguing candidate. Mahorn turns 60 in September, which some seem to think is too old, especially to learn the college game. He filed for bankruptcy in 2010, raising questions about financial management -- though I've also read a report that his net worth is back to $4 million, not bad in 7 years, with your playing days over. No college coaching experience, as head or assistant. In his only season as head coach of the CBA Rockford Lightning (1999-2000) they finished first. The Detroit Shock (WNBA) finished 2nd/1st/1st when he was Bill Lambeer's assistant, winning the title his first & 3rd seasons, then second during his one season as head coach. Tough defensive player, rebounder, screen setter Rooted in Detroit (when bankrupt in part from investing in Detroit before city's collapse in late 2000s); left as HC of Shock rather than move with team to Tulsa. Seems like a level-headed guy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 20:06:29 GMT -5
Todd Lickliter is the name that seems to be picking up momentum. From the "coaching changes" tweet to Tony Paul putting out multiple tweets about him including one about contact between Vowels and Lickliter
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