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Post by nctitan on Mar 17, 2023 15:33:12 GMT -5
I still like Ray Jr. Wouldn’t mind him coming back to 6 Mile, but I don’t think he’s a good fit with our current coaching staff. And, yes, with his dad’s connections, he’d probably have more attractive offers than us at the assistant coaching level. As far as connections, I doubt Ray Sr. has better connections than John Calipari, and all Calipari could do for his son is a graduate assistantship at UK and then an assistant coaching role at LIU Brooklyn.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 17, 2023 15:36:21 GMT -5
I like Ray Jr a lot. It's always tough to tell who will make a good coach, but certainly he has the brains and basketball IQ, and has been soaking up coaching all his life. And if he goes out and becomes a successful JH assistant at UM and eventually looks to apply for a vacant UofD job in the future, great.
But that said, I remain leery of hiring former greats. The expectations are almost always too high, and the reality is that almost all coaching gigs end poorly--otherwise they don't end. See e.g. Bacari Alexander. So we go from warm, fuzzy memories of a playing career to the criticism and less than warm & fuzzy memories you have whenever a coach doesn't win. Even when it works, that's how it ends--see e.g. Jeff Ruland at Iona, who took Iona to three NCAA tournaments in 9 years but ended up being fired after a 2-28 season.
Anyway, it seems like speculation about Ray and Detroit is, to say the least, a bit premature.
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Post by titansforever on Mar 19, 2023 21:46:26 GMT -5
How much fun would it be cheering for the FDU coach on our sidelines?
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Post by calihanmole on Mar 20, 2023 8:03:41 GMT -5
I still like Ray Jr. Wouldn’t mind him coming back to 6 Mile, but I don’t think he’s a good fit with our current coaching staff. And, yes, with his dad’s connections, he’d probably have more attractive offers than us at the assistant coaching level. As far as connections, I doubt Ray Sr. has better connections than John Calipari, and all Calipari could do for his son is a graduate assistantship at UK and then an assistant coaching role at LIU Brooklyn. I highly doubt that his son was at UK as a grad assistant bc they couldn’t find anything else for him. Was probably more to be close together for another year and maybe earn academic credits from a great institution until they figured things out. Also, guess what, LIU is a more attractive offer than UDM right now for an assistant coach. I’d argue it certainly was when Brad went to LIU to work under Kellogg, even though things obviously went bad for Kellogg. Also consider that Detroit geographically isn’t a huge sell for a young coach who still might have a social life. NYC certainly is.
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Post by nctitan on Mar 20, 2023 9:27:40 GMT -5
As far as connections, I doubt Ray Sr. has better connections than John Calipari, and all Calipari could do for his son is a graduate assistantship at UK and then an assistant coaching role at LIU Brooklyn. I highly doubt that his son was at UK as a grad assistant bc they couldn’t find anything else for him. Was probably more to be close together for another year and maybe earn academic credits from a great institution until they figured things out. Also, guess what, LIU is a more attractive offer than UDM right now for an assistant coach. I’d argue it certainly was when Brad went to LIU to work under Kellogg, even though things obviously went bad for Kellogg. Also consider that Detroit geographically isn’t a huge sell for a young coach who still might have a social life. NYC certainly is. Brad already has his undergrad degree from UK and a grad degree from his two years at Detroit Mercy so I don't think he was looking for academic credits. And I don't think either Brad or Ray Jr. would lean on Dad to get a job. I expect Brad earned his job at LIU and that Ray Jr. will get his on the basis of his college and pro careers.
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Post by fan on Mar 20, 2023 10:10:36 GMT -5
Maybe not lean on, but they certainly have name recognition.
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Post by hyperion on Sept 23, 2023 9:03:07 GMT -5
Bring back Ray Jr. to UofD, this time, as Head Coach.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Sept 23, 2023 10:20:18 GMT -5
Bring back Ray Jr. to UofD, this time, as Head Coach. I would be all in on Ray Jr. as a coach!
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Post by fan on Sept 23, 2023 10:22:31 GMT -5
yes sir bring him in,
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Post by bigchuck on Sept 23, 2023 14:45:22 GMT -5
Bring back Ray Jr. to UofD, this time, as Head Coach. I would be all in on Ray Jr. as a coach! Why not, the last ex-player worked so well. Let's see what we have now after the Player Davis is gone. Plenty of time to think about the 24-25 season.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Sept 23, 2023 15:26:41 GMT -5
I would be all in on Ray Jr. as a coach! Why not, the last ex-player worked so well. Let's see what we have now after the Player Davis is gone. Plenty of time to think about the 24-25 season. Not when you have Vowels as your AD. He probably will not be ready to make a decision until Oct. 2024. I think Ray Jr. really would be a lot better than BA. One lead by being a clown and with his mouth the other by example. I’m sure you have heard the term one million two million before. Don’t get me wrong I’m hoping Davis has a great year! I am a believer that it is really difficult to Coach you own child and not everyone is capable of dealing with it.
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Post by motorcitysam on Sept 23, 2023 17:47:44 GMT -5
I don't know if young Ray wants to go into coaching, or if he will be a good coach if he does. I would prefer that the next Titan coach, whenever he gets here, is someone with previous head coaching experience on some level, and definitely at least college assistant coach experience.
My hope is that the Titans somehow eke out a winning record this season (I know the odds are against it) and that for 2024-25 Davis is able to retain a good portion of this season's contributors and mix in some new talent.
As far as AD being gone and how it impacts the team's performance, I'll say what I said when Ray and Juwan left, and some folks considered it addition by subtraction: Simply losing your best player never makes your team better. If the new guys mesh well together this season and the record improves, it won't be just because AD is gone.
Go Titans.
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Post by larrytitan on Sept 23, 2023 18:36:31 GMT -5
I am not familiar with one million, two million…….please educate me as to its meaning
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Post by nctitan on Sept 24, 2023 0:30:35 GMT -5
Simply losing your best player never makes your team better. On the other hand, refer to Cincinnati: 1959–60 Oscar Robertson, the NCAA's all-time leading career scorer and national player of the year honors for the third straight year and the Bearcats made their second trip to the Final Four. California turned back UC's title hopes as UC finished third. 1960–61 Largely an unknown team, without Robertson, and with a new head coach, Ed Jucker, in command, Cincinnati made a third straight trip to the Final Four, and a national championship. In the first-ever championship game matchup of two teams from the same state, UC defeated Ohio State in overtime, 70–65. 1961–62 Cincinnati won the Midwest Regional to earn its fourth straight trip to the Final Four. After edging UCLA, 72–70, in the semifinals, Cincinnati became a repeat champion with a 71–59 win over Ohio State. Paul Hogue was the tournament's Most Outstanding Player. Paul Who??? So you can lose your best player and improve.
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Post by Commissioner on Sept 24, 2023 8:15:35 GMT -5
Simply losing your best player never makes your team better. On the other hand, refer to Cincinnati: 1959–60 Oscar Robertson, the NCAA's all-time leading career scorer and national player of the year honors for the third straight year and the Bearcats made their second trip to the Final Four. California turned back UC's title hopes as UC finished third. 1960–61 Largely an unknown team, without Robertson, and with a new head coach, Ed Jucker, in command, Cincinnati made a third straight trip to the Final Four, and a national championship. In the first-ever championship game matchup of two teams from the same state, UC defeated Ohio State in overtime, 70–65. 1961–62 Cincinnati won the Midwest Regional to earn its fourth straight trip to the Final Four. After edging UCLA, 72–70, in the semifinals, Cincinnati became a repeat champion with a 71–59 win over Ohio State. Paul Hogue was the tournament's Most Outstanding Player. Paul Who??? So you can lose your best player and improve. Yes, but that's not the same as saying you improve because you lose your best player.
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