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Post by Titan Jim on Mar 21, 2024 9:44:52 GMT -5
have we struggled with getting guys eligible because they've had SUCH shady academic performances and such, OR is it because we have unreasonably high standards compared with other D1 programs? UDM is a great school. But, our academic standards are not higher than the schools I cited. Those schools seem to get their players qualified and we do not. Realistically, we do not have same resources and clout that some of the larger institutions have. So, we to work harder and smarter. We have not done that. |
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 21, 2024 13:42:15 GMT -5
have we struggled with getting guys eligible because they've had SUCH shady academic performances and such, OR is it because we have unreasonably high standards compared with other D1 programs? UDM is a great school. But, our academic standards are not higher than the schools I cited. Those schools seem to get their players qualified and we do not. Realistically, we do not have same resources and clout that some of the larger institutions have. So, we to work harder and smarter. We have not done that. I agree. Maybe it's time we start acting and presenting ourselves and our campus (including Athletics) as a Top 100 school. |
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Post by titantarheel on Mar 21, 2024 13:50:39 GMT -5
Honest question...have we struggled with getting guys eligible because they've had SUCH shady academic performances and such, OR is it because we have unreasonably high standards compared with other D1 programs? What guys are you talking about? PTC, I'm not specifically sure. I hear on here we can't get guys qualified for this reason or another, and was trying to root-cause where the issue is -- the kids or the institution (either our process, or our targeting of suspect kids that may not qualify under any circumstances). |
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Post by JDetroitTitan on Mar 21, 2024 14:57:52 GMT -5
What guys are you talking about? PTC, I'm not specifically sure. I hear on here we can't get guys qualified for this reason or another, and was trying to root-cause where the issue is -- the kids or the institution (either our process, or our targeting of suspect kids that may not qualify under any circumstances). Let me ask a couple of questions. How long has the University been around? How many years has it been a D1 school? How many years has the basketball program been going on? It really shouldn't be on the fan base to be asking these question about eligibility. The university needs to get their house in order. The university earn that record this year of 1-31. |
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Post by lafan on Mar 21, 2024 16:13:50 GMT -5
A good school for UofD to emulate is Duquesne, another Catholic school that had not been to the NCAA in over 40 years, longer than UofD. I don't know anything about their coach, but it might be interesting to see where he came from, experience, and so on.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 21, 2024 16:14:37 GMT -5
This morning on X (formerly Twitter), I asked Tony Paul if Pitino is in play for the UDM job. He called it a “fair dig.” Say what you want about him, but he engages his readers and seems to have a good sense of humor. No, he routinely blocks readers routinely for even minor criticisms or questions. |
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 21, 2024 16:32:01 GMT -5
A good school for UofD to emulate is Duquesne, another Catholic school that had not been to the NCAA in over 40 years, longer than UofD. I don't know anything about their coach, but it might be interesting to see where he came from, experience, and so on. Duquesne's coach is Keith Dambrot, who has announced he is retiring after the Dukes' season ends. He's in his 7th season at Duquesne, after 13 years at Akron, where he went 19-10 his first year and at least 21 games each of the next 12 years, including 6 regular season MAC titles and 3 NCAA appearances. One might ask, why can't we get a guy like Dambrot. Duquesne is a good comparison. It's a bit bigger than UD is now, with about 5500 students, but still basically a smaller, catholic school. It's located in urban Pittsburgh--I've been on their campus and it's nice enough but squeezed in between the freeway and the river and downtown; lots of concrete. They used to be a casual Titan rival, and were briefly in the MCC with us, before scurrying back to the A10 (I wish we'd gone with them). They had an outstanding tradition that petered out in the 1970s--their last NCAA team is also the squad that broke the Titans' 21-game winning streak in 1977. After going 20-10 with a first round loss to Michigan in the NIT in 1981, they went 26 years with only 2 winning seasons (15-14, and 17-13) and no postseason of any kind. Not quite 20 years ago they got an ambitious president who was determined to turn that around and use basketball to boost the university. It took a long time and a lot of hard work (including spending money for lots of buy games on their home court--Dambrot's 2020 team went 21-9 but didn't play a true road game until January 8). Duquesne roughed up BYU pretty good today. I'm rooting for them, and I think you're right, they're a program we should study. |
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 21, 2024 17:05:14 GMT -5
In 2017, Duquesne hired Dambrot to a seven year, $7 million dollar contract. He's never finished above fifth place in the conference and and actually went 6-24, 1-16 in year five. First postseason was the CBI in year 6 and then this year he broke through in the NCAA. As the Commissioner points out, he was hired at Duquesne after having impressive success at a MAC school.
I don't know, maybe we had our Dambrot a couple of coaches ago and just weren't patient enough with him.
At any rate, I root for urban Catholic schools as a general rule, and one of my favorite players ever (Norm Nixon) went to Duquesne, so I was glad to see them take down BYU today. Go Dukes!
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Post by larrytitan on Mar 21, 2024 17:17:09 GMT -5
Waterman had 3pts, 2rebs in 15 mins for BYU.
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Post by rbj on Mar 21, 2024 17:28:56 GMT -5
In 2017, Duquesne hired Dambrot to a seven year, $7 million dollar contract. He's never finished above fifth place in the conference and and actually went 6-24, 1-16 in year five. First postseason was the CBI in year 6 and then this year he broke through in the NCAA. As the Commissioner points out, he was hired at Duquesne after having impressive success at a MAC school. I don't know, maybe we had our Dambrot a couple of coaches ago and just weren't patient enough with him. At any rate, I root for urban Catholic schools as a general rule, and one of my favorite players ever (Norm Nixon) went to Duquesne, so I was glad to see them take down BYU today. Go Dukes! Patience is a virtue. Greg Kampe went 16-17 in 2019-2019, he followed that up with two more losing seasons in a row 14-19 in 2019-2020 and 12-18 in 2020-2021. Robert Vowels probably would've fired him after 2021. |
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Post by lafan on Mar 21, 2024 18:11:55 GMT -5
I actually went to the Duquesne game in 1977 that Titans lost. I think Norm Nixon played for Duquesne that year.
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 22, 2024 7:21:37 GMT -5
What guys are you talking about? PTC, I'm not specifically sure. I hear on here we can't get guys qualified for this reason or another, and was trying to root-cause where the issue is -- the kids or the institution (either our process, or our targeting of suspect kids that may not qualify under any circumstances). Way back when I began posting about these different types of eligibility issues, I was simply trying to point out that some of them involve NCAA waivers for immediate eligibility and others involve NCAA academic standards that a player must meet in order to be eligible. IMO, the cause of the 1 and whatever record was a huge recruiting failure last summer. We didn't even replace all the departed scholarship players. With Stone's return uncertain until August, we should have pursued more reliably eligible players even if they had slightly less talent than the ones we were pursuing. Also, in light of our experience with Liddell's transfer, we should have vetted a player's transcripts more closely to ascertain possible red flags. Were we looking at just a need to get a waiver from the school for 3-6 credits or were we looking at a need for 20-30 credits due to the courses or too many pass/fail grades? Getting back to the topic, hopefully the new coach will install better systems and recruit talented players with normal transfer issues. |
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 24, 2024 4:05:00 GMT -5
Michigan fired its coach 8 days after we parted ways with MD and hired his replacement before we even get to final interviews with the usual suspects. I know, "Trust the process."
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 24, 2024 8:07:14 GMT -5
Michigan fired its coach 8 days after we parted ways with MD and hired his replacement before we even get to final interviews with the usual suspects. I know, "Trust the process." Yet some on here defend Vowels and Taylor and seem to think we have something special there. They are just a couple of dead weights dragging the department and University down. It looks like stupid is STILL driving the bus at 6 and Liv.! |
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Post by udmperry on Mar 24, 2024 9:35:54 GMT -5
Yeah. If we had only offered May quickly he’d be ours by now but he could not wait for us so fire Taylor. Makes sense to me (not).
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