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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 27, 2020 8:50:05 GMT -5
I couldn’t find the salary for Alabama St, but saw another SWAC school was paying their head coach $127,000. I thought Davis’ deal at Detroit Mercy paid him close to $500,000. My guess is maybe (and this is a stretch) the ASU job could be compensated as high as $250K going forward, that would be what some of the football coaches make in that league (and its rare that a school pays its hoops coach more than the gridiron guy). The ASU job seems like a rebuild job (they only won 8 games this past year), and whoever gets it is going to get a real late start on putting together a staff, recruiting, etc. It doesn’t seem like an “opportunity” for someone in Davis’ current position. I bet whoever threw that list together has no idea what the UDM gig pays.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 9:36:49 GMT -5
At Texas Southern, I was told Davis also received a percentage of the money from their pay games (not sure if he has the same deal here). Depending on the percentage and knowing Davis' scheduling philosophy, that amount could start to add up. Also taking into consideration his current frustrations with his players and the academic probation and experiencing extreme failure record wise for the 1st time in his career, maybe he would move on. Also, the donations we seem to now require to recruit successfully are likely to decrease due to the current economic situation
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 9:42:16 GMT -5
A move to Alabama St would be a step back for the Davis clan. First of all, if Coach were to go, then Antoine would go with him. I don't see that as a plus for his NBA aspirations. Coach, of course, would take his staff with him as he did when he arrived in Detroit. That would be addition by subtraction IiMHO. A new coaching staff could be filled by a younger, more energetic HC and staff could include Michigan and Metro Detroit oriented folk. Current staff all from Texas Southern plus Dildy. I don't like the idea of starting over for the 3rd time in 5 yrs but the results so far have fallen short of expectations. I don't mind the idea of starting over again. We're already at the bottom (how much worse can it really get?) and I don't see the current group having more than modest, middle of the Horizon League, success. This year's recruiting class is the key to his future in my opinion. Getting 4 or 5 grad transfers may help next season a little and push us into the upper half of the League, but is it really building a program for long term success?
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Post by rbj on Mar 27, 2020 10:32:00 GMT -5
A move to Alabama St would be a step back for the Davis clan. First of all, if Coach were to go, then Antoine would go with him. I don't see that as a plus for his NBA aspirations. Coach, of course, would take his staff with him as he did when he arrived in Detroit. That would be addition by subtraction IiMHO. A new coaching staff could be filled by a younger, more energetic HC and staff could include Michigan and Metro Detroit oriented folk. Current staff all from Texas Southern plus Dildy. I don't like the idea of starting over for the 3rd time in 5 yrs but the results so far have fallen short of expectations. I don't mind the idea of starting over again. We're already at the bottom (how much worse can it really get?) and I don't see the current group having more than modest, middle of the Horizon League, success. This year's recruiting class is the key to his future in my opinion. Getting 4 or 5 grad transfers may help next season a little and push us into the upper half of the League, but is it really building a program for long term success? I would be fine with starting over right now, I highly doubt that Mike Davis will be our coach beyond the 2021-2022 season. I fully expect coach Davis to resign or be relieved of his duties after that season.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 27, 2020 10:53:50 GMT -5
I don't mind the idea of starting over again. We're already at the bottom (how much worse can it really get?) and I don't see the current group having more than modest, middle of the Horizon League, success. This year's recruiting class is the key to his future in my opinion. Getting 4 or 5 grad transfers may help next season a little and push us into the upper half of the League, but is it really building a program for long term success? I would be fine with starting over right now, I highly doubt that Mike Davis will be our coach beyond the 2021-2022 season. I fully expect coach Davis to resign or be relieved of his duties after that season. It's really hard to continue to support a program where so many of the alumni continue to self destruct and shoot themselves in the foot. I believe your University should be all in on Davis and if his program does not succeed then I feel not supporting him 100% will be the final really bad decision made as far as Athletics are concerned down at Livernois and 6. I feel there is no reset after this one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 11:05:50 GMT -5
I would be fine with starting over right now, I highly doubt that Mike Davis will be our coach beyond the 2021-2022 season. I fully expect coach Davis to resign or be relieved of his duties after that season. It's really hard to continue to support a program where so many of the alumni continue to self destruct and shoot themselves in the foot. I believe your University should be all in on Davis and if his program does not succeed then I feel not supporting him 100% will be the final really bad decision made as far as Athletics are concerned down at Livernois and 6. I feel there is no reset after this one. I think you misunderstood, if you're referring to me. I meant - If Davis leaves, I'd be fine with starting over. If he decides he doesn't want to be here, then he should go. He has had zero success so far - I believe we can replace his results and even do better if he decides to leave. I'm not pushing him out the door. I'm eagerly anticipating him clearing out the roster (like he said he was going to) and bringing in 5 big time talented players (which he also promised)
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 27, 2020 11:38:57 GMT -5
I think the Alabama State thing is just the idle musings of the boneheads at Coaching Changes. I doubt it's much more plausible than John Brannen. "Hey, Brannen has ties to Alabama. Let's add him to the list of possibilities!"
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 27, 2020 11:46:18 GMT -5
It's really hard to continue to support a program where so many of the alumni continue to self destruct and shoot themselves in the foot. I believe your University should be all in on Davis and if his program does not succeed then I feel not supporting him 100% will be the final really bad decision made as far as Athletics are concerned down at Livernois and 6. I feel there is no reset after this one. I think you misunderstood, if you're referring to me. I meant - If Davis leaves, I'd be fine with starting over. If he decides he doesn't want to be here, then he should go. He has had zero success so far - I believe we can replace his results and even do better if he decides to leave. I'm not pushing him out the door. I'm eagerly anticipating him clearing out the roster (like he said he was going to) and bringing in 5 big time talented players (which he also promised) I agree we all need to be all-in on Davis. At the same time, I agree that the results--and here I mean recruiting even more than on the floor--have not been encouraging. I felt in 2018 that we wanted a young coach, we needed to pick the up-and-comer (as if that's easy to do), and I liked Bronkema, but I certainly had no complaints when Davis was hired and was excited to get him. My unstudied impression is that a coach's first couple years recruiting set the tone. If they are disappointing, it's not going to get better. I was very disappointed with last year's class and I don't think you can put it all on the APR issue. We're not getting "one and done" players, and any intelligent kid could see that if we were 11-20 in2019, going to the NCAA in 2020 was unlikely---they should looking for a chance to play and building for two or three years out. LaGreair and Liedel are a satisfactory start, but we really need a couple of good strong signings this spring. Back to the thread--Davis isn't going to Alabama State.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 27, 2020 11:58:36 GMT -5
It's really hard to continue to support a program where so many of the alumni continue to self destruct and shoot themselves in the foot. I believe your University should be all in on Davis and if his program does not succeed then I feel not supporting him 100% will be the final really bad decision made as far as Athletics are concerned down at Livernois and 6. I feel there is no reset after this one. I think you misunderstood, if you're referring to me. I meant - If Davis leaves, I'd be fine with starting over. If he decides he doesn't want to be here, then he should go. He has had zero success so far - I believe we can replace his results and even do better if he decides to leave. I'm not pushing him out the door. I'm eagerly anticipating him clearing out the roster (like he said he was going to) and bringing in 5 big time talented players (which he also promised) I was referring to numerous prior quotes but what really got my attention was rbj. There are some on here who are constantly negative. I have never met rbj so I do not know him personally only his posts. It is mind boggling to me that a group can continue to make so many bad decisions and feel that maybe the next one will be a good one. Now Vowels on the other hand is my pet peeve. I am watching the women's position and wondering why it has not been filled. Seems to me like he is a guy who relishes the power of being decision maker without an actual plan. He had to know if he was going to move on Scott but seems to not have an alternative in place. Looks to me like the same thing he did with Davis and again in the middle of recruiting season. If it was up to me I would extend Davis and replace Vowels with the AD at Ferris State.
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Post by calihanmole on Mar 27, 2020 12:09:30 GMT -5
I don’t see Davis leaving. I think it’s reasonable to assume we are paying him between 400-500k per year, and we probably have him on a 5-7 year contract with 3-5 years remaining of guaranteed money for him unless he’s the one who decides to leave. I don’t see Alabama State coughing up that kind of cash. It’s a modest public HBCU in the SWAC with a very small endowment and limited resources from the state. Don’t see them justifying a high salary of 400k, and I doubt they have a donor that can make up the difference.
I suspect Davis would like to leave if given the change to go to a respectable mid major, maintain his salary level, hire his older son at the new school, and get AD immediately eligible. But I don’t see any schools that fit that profile with coaching vacancies right now. The Coaching Changes dudes absolutely love Mike Davis. He’s been on many of their short lists for guys they think schools should hire, but it never really makes sense. For Davis to break his contract with us for the Alabama State job he’d take about a 300k reduction in annual salary, have to move again, and deal with eligibility for Antoine. I’m sure Davis is frustrated with how things are playing out here, but he’d have to be totally pissed off to leave us for Alabama State.
My prediction is that Davis is unable to deliver on his goal of getting 5 new guys this season, never really gets the quality guys we need to win in the HL next year either, and that we end the Davis era after AD graduates in two years with no NCAA tournament appearance to show for it. If that happens we should definitely hire a young coach, assuming the university even decides to stay D1.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 19:10:50 GMT -5
This guy is fairly reliable. Davis Jr, wow!
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 27, 2020 19:18:49 GMT -5
This guy is fairly reliable. Davis Jr, wow! Now that make more sense.
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Post by larrytitan on Mar 27, 2020 20:11:18 GMT -5
And it would open a spot on the staff that could be filled by a Detroit guy.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 27, 2020 20:58:15 GMT -5
And it would open a spot on the staff that could be filled by a Detroit guy. I was thinking the same thing. I assume Mike Jr. Is a good guy and adds value to the Titan staff, but if he gets the job it would create an opportunity to bring in someone with local connections. And we could schedule Alabama St. (along with Kentucky) for next season.
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Post by udballer on Mar 28, 2020 23:46:21 GMT -5
Are you saying if this were to play out, we'd finally have a chance to get Michael Thomas on the UofD bench? That would set him up well to take over as head coach down the road. I'm in.
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