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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 13:31:00 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 29, 2020 13:50:02 GMT -5
That is bullsh!t. Edit: I am not saying that the report is BS. I am saying that it is a BS move for power conferences to do that.
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Post by calihanmole on Apr 29, 2020 13:55:51 GMT -5
This has already been reported for weeks. Also, why is that bullshit? Why should a P5 school pay a small school $100,000 if they’re getting no gate or concession money that day? Yes, the big boys have more money, but it’s not infinite and they don’t owe anybody anything.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 16:29:38 GMT -5
That is bullsh!t. Edit: I am not saying that the report is BS. I am saying that it is a BS move for power conferences to do that. I understand why the power conferences would do this. However, the other side is the U of D's of the world that make up a budget for their Athletic Department based on $600,000 income from 6 buy games and then having that number become $0. The little guys have a lot less room for error.
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 29, 2020 16:45:30 GMT -5
That is bullsh!t. Edit: I am not saying that the report is BS. I am saying that it is a BS move for power conferences to do that. I understand why the power conferences would do this. However, the other side is the U of D's of the world that make up a budget for their Athletic Department based on $600,000 income from 6 buy games and then having that number become $0. The little guys have a lot less room for error. The main reason mid majors take these buy games are for the "buy" part of it. If all they are going to do is break even or maybe take a loss, I'd rather they just take a bus ride to Mount Pleasant to play Central Michigan and get a return game the following year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 17:25:26 GMT -5
I understand why the power conferences would do this. However, the other side is the U of D's of the world that make up a budget for their Athletic Department based on $600,000 income from 6 buy games and then having that number become $0. The little guys have a lot less room for error. The main reason mid majors take these buy games are for the "buy" part of it. If all they are going to do is break even or maybe take a loss, I'd rather they just take a bus ride to Mount Pleasant to play Central Michigan and get a return game the following year. If there's no money involved, all they'd be getting is a free trip for a butt kicking and possible infection with the Corona virus. Maybe they could get some t-shirts printed: "I signed up for a $100,000 pay game, and all I got was a trip to (fill in P5 school), a butt kicking, the Corona virus and this cheap t-shirt"
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Post by Rogobob77 on Apr 29, 2020 18:16:58 GMT -5
Says they won’t get the “normal guarantee,” assume they still will get something. Is it 10%? 25%? 50%? I would be interested in knowing the percentage. I see both sides, nice if the mid-majors could get a predictable full payday, but if there is no ticket revenue the host school would seem to have a good case that the normal guarantee should be reduced.
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 30, 2020 5:23:09 GMT -5
Says they won’t get the “normal guarantee,” assume they still will get something. Is it 10%? 25%? 50%? I would be interested in knowing the percentage. I see both sides, nice if the mid-majors could get a predictable full payday, but if there is no ticket revenue the host school would seem to have a good case that the normal guarantee should be reduced. The tweet Scout posted said they would "ONLY receive travel costs". According to that, it doesn't sound like there would be anything else. The way I see it, there is no incentive for a mid major to play that game for essentially nothing. High majors schedule buy games against small schools to get a likely win. If the gate was their main concern, they could schedule a high major team instead. The high majors are expecting to feel some financial woes from the Corona virus, so they are forcing the smaller schools to alleviate that, even though the small schools have financial concerns of their own. Maybe if you're a mid major like San Diego State or Northern Iowa you take a game like that hoping to pull the upset, but for a program where U of D is right now, there's no upside in taking a butt kicking for free.
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Post by calihanmole on Apr 30, 2020 7:37:16 GMT -5
My impression as a fan of a high major program is that the gate/concession money is the funding for the buy game. Obviously with the accounting of a team and athletics program that operates in millions of dollars you can say the money comes from somewhere else, but I never thought for a second that power programs would be paying this kind of money without gate money. I don’t know what schools get for tv money to play a school like UDM, but it just can’t be that much. UDM played three ACC schools last season. My understanding is that the ACC Network is a revenue sharing agreement for the schools and so while technically you’re getting a cut of everything, I doubt you get much to play small schools.
Obviously the power programs do this for (1) easy wins to pad resume, (2) more home games is good for season ticket packers and local economy, (3) you save the travel burden for your players.
If the NCAA really wanted to make things fair and interesting maybe they’d implement some kind of mechanism that forces power programs to play an away game each season at a mid major. That won’t happen because the power programs run the NCAA and it’d be one more thing to manage.
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 30, 2020 9:20:46 GMT -5
The economics are pretty overwhelming for top majors. Schools like MSU and Kentucky sell out regardless of the opponent. The average Big 10 school takes in about $300,000 in ticket revenue for a home game (that's also right around the median). (The average price per ticket ranges from about $10 at Penn State to about $40 at Indiana. 11 of the 14 arenas seat more than 10,000). Concessions, parking, and merchandise sales add anywhere from almost nothing at Minnesota and Penn State to over $100K per game at Wisconsin. Of course ticket/concession/parking revenue pays the guarantees.
For the best high majors, why schedule mids on the road? Let's say you're a high major, and you offer a mid-major a 3 for one, with no guarantee on your home games. You save 4 buy fees--about $380-$420K--and give up roughly the equivalent in revenue for the one home game you lose (Ohio State, for example, which is typically about 5th-6th in the B10 in per game home revenue, makes about $380,000 per game in tickets and concessions). But your home fans get one less home game, and you run a greater risk of an embarrassing loss. Why do that? And certainly a one for one or two for one series makes no sense to you.
But why should a mid-major take a non-home game for no money and no return game? Only based on Coach's philosophy that you need to play good teams to get better. I think that's right, to a degree. I don't think playing totally over your head gets you much--getting walloped by a Top 10 team is, IMHO, almost as useless for improving as playing an NAIA team, possibly even worse. I don't really want to play a bunch of top 25 teams for no money. But playing lesser high majors that test and stretch your abilities still has benefits, and there's also the fan interest angle.
I was disappointed with Kentucky. This would be the year for Calipari to give us a home game. Assuming the game gets played, there's a good chance they will be no fans allowed anyway, so UK won't be losing gate revenue with the road game. This is the last year his son will be on our squad. So this would be a great year for Kentucky to give us a game at Calihan in return for 2-3 games at Lexington in the future.
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Post by calihanmole on Apr 30, 2020 10:44:30 GMT -5
Loyola and DePaul playing each other this year and next. Smart move considering the likelihood of fans not attending games this year.
Who’s to say exactly what scheduling looks like a few years from now, but I think it will be radically different considering P5 leagues playing 20 game con schedules and all programs trying to save money.
We should strike a 4 year deal with CMU since they’re a peer program in most respects and close.
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