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Post by Commissioner on Mar 14, 2021 19:45:14 GMT -5
St John's and Seton Hall say "no thanks" to the NIT. Also Louisville and Xavier. At the rate teams are saying no, Detroit will end up with an invite😁 Duke, Navy too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 19:46:51 GMT -5
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 14, 2021 19:48:45 GMT -5
St John's and Seton Hall say "no thanks" to the NIT. Also Louisville and Xavier. At the rate teams are saying no, Detroit will end up with an invite😁 Duke, Navy too. Wright State either didn't get, or turned down, an invite. They definitely merited one.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 14, 2021 20:58:25 GMT -5
It's possible the Raiders turned down an NIT bid, but otherwise Wright State got jobbed. There are 6 teams got invited with lower NET rankings, and only one of those (Western Kentucky) was a regular season conference champ. The Raiders had a better record than any of those 6 as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 16:15:06 GMT -5
CBI Bracket
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 15, 2021 20:24:38 GMT -5
Is MSU/UCLA the hardest game to predict in the tournament? The hardest 1st round game to predict in tournament history? There is no rhyme or reason to either of these teams. Who knows which teams will show up. Truly, flip a coin, or be a homer for the state and go with the Spartans.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 15, 2021 20:53:00 GMT -5
It's possible the Raiders turned down an NIT bid, but otherwise Wright State got jobbed. There are 6 teams got invited with lower NET rankings, and only one of those (Western Kentucky) was a regular season conference champ. The Raiders had a better record than any of those 6 as well. Maybe the NIT selection committee thinks about the same as I do about the Horizon League. Plus when I look at the NIT brackets I can not see a team there that I would replace with Wright State. With WS having so many financial problems maybe they can't afford to go and could Nagy possibly be leaving and WS dropping out of D1 basketball.
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Post by calihanmole on Mar 15, 2021 21:09:39 GMT -5
I don’t think people realize how bad the financial problems are at WSU - it’s something I’ve been following for a while. Not to say they actually declined an NIT because of the cost, but they’re going to need a massive enrollment surge, renewed financial support from the state of Ohio, or some institutional changing gifts (in truth, probably a bit of all three) to avoid some serious changes.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 16, 2021 14:12:57 GMT -5
I still think it is stupid to have teams seeded 11 to have to participate in "play in" games.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 17, 2021 12:08:56 GMT -5
On the Roundball call today, Coach Davis said the Titans had an invite to play in the CBI, but that was nixed when four players voted or otherwise indicated they did not want to participate. He said he was disappointed, it would have been nice to get more post-season games in the ledger to build experience. He said he also regretted that an exhibition series in Canada that we were planning to be in last summer was cancelled.
Although I’m sure there was no way the Titans were ultimately in line for an NIT bid, I heard yesterday that the school did receive an application from that tournament a few weeks ago as part of the advance pre-selection process.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 17, 2021 12:14:58 GMT -5
I'm disappointed. I would have liked to see us in the CBI this year.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 18, 2021 11:07:18 GMT -5
I know opinions differ, but I would have been happy to see the Titans in the CBI. My philosophy has always been, if there are games to play, you play. Would have been a treat for me to if we got a match up with Pepperdine, as that is one of the other programs I follow. Agreed. Without knowing why team members did not want to play (which could certainly alter my view), I would have preferred to play in the CBI. I understand those who don't want to just on the grounds that it's a rinky dink tournament (see below for some history), and I don't know the finances. I know that schools that draw well could and did definitely make money playing in the CBI; others lost money. And of course this year may be very different, but CBI is a for-profit venture and if there's no fans they must be getting money from somewhere. So a question would be, would the amount if might have cost us to participate be better spent on something else? But most coaches agree that a game is worth a lot of practices. Another couple weeks practice, and up to 3 games, might have been very beneficial for a team that took a long time to gel this year, and still had fewer than 20 games with the core--Davis, Kuol, Waterman, Brandon, Fraser, and Johnson--playing together. This year's event is one we could very easily have won. I think the downside of a loss would have been minimal, the upside of 3 wins in 3 days beneficial not just for playing but for the 2022 HL tournaent and, we hope, NCAA tournament. Quite a few schools have used it as a springboard: 2008: Tulsa, the winner, won 25 games and advanced to the 2d round of the NIT the next year 2009: Runner up UTEP won 26 games and went to NCAA next year. 2010: VCU, the winner, reached NCAA Final Four the next year. 2011: Oregon, the winner, reached NIT Final 4 the next year, and has appeared in 7 of 8 NCAA tournaments since. Runner-up Creighton finished the next season ranked #19 in the country and went to NCAA round of 32. 2012: Pitt, the winner, finished the next year ranked #20 and went to NCAA. 2015: Loyola used it as a first step (well, second step after joining MVC) in rebuilding their program. 2016: Nevada won 28 games and went to NCAA the next year. Of course, most of these teams would've been pretty good anyway, but the coaches often credited the CBI run as giving the team a big jump on the next year. I think we could easily have won the tournament, and I suspect it would have improved he team, and a 15-10 record and CBI title would look better than a 12-10 record and no post-season to recruits. Some more history: The CBI originally wanted to compete with the NIT and up through 2013 got quite a few good teams. The first year the field included three teams from P6 conferences, plus 3 teams from CUSA (which was still a strong conference), and teams from the A10, MVC, and Mountain West. 2013 marked a sort of watershed for the tournament: through 2013, they'd never taken a team below 200 in RPI, and never had an average RPI for the field above 132. The 2013 field ranged from Santa Clara (#69) to Houston (19-12, #196), with an average of 124, and included teams from the Big 10, Big 12, CUSA (Houston and Tulsa), A10, and Mountain West. Since then, they've take an least 3 teams with an RPI above 200 every year, and never had an average RPI below 153. The 1st six years they averaged two P6 teams a year, and averaged an additional 5 from the top Mid-Majors (A10, MWC, MVC, CUSA, WCC). In the six years since, they've averaged just 1 P6 team, and just 2.5 from the top Mid-Majors (A10, MWC, MVC, AAC, WCC). The first six years they averaged over 6 teams per year with sub-100 RPIs. The next six years, fewer than 2. All you wanted to know and more!
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 22, 2021 9:48:11 GMT -5
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 22, 2021 12:18:49 GMT -5
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 22, 2021 12:58:07 GMT -5
So earlier I asked, "would you want the Titans to play in the CBI?" Answer--right now I'd be fired up if we had a game tonight, and eager to watch us whup on Bellarmine and keep the feel good atmosphere of the final month of the season going.
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