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Post by Commissioner on Feb 9, 2022 14:59:28 GMT -5
This sucks if you're an impacted UIC athlete who did nothing wrong, same as it sucked that U-D basketball players (who did nothing wrong) were ineligible for the Horizon Tourney because of a delayed handout of an Academic Penalty that pre-dated their matriculation. In reading the Horizon League release on the topic, there is just one difference: in UIC's case, the reason for the penalty is the decision (and quick league departure) that was decided on by your school administration. In U-D's case, it happened because of a delayed decision by the NCAA (our involvement was hiring/firing coaches a few years earlier that resulted in too many players leaving the program all at once). This might sound cold, but I don't really care about the other Horizon League members anymore. We need to worry about our school first and use this League as a stepping stone to a better league. That's it. Example: UIC has traditionally the strongest softball program in the Horizon, by a wide margin. If their absence allows us to win a softball championship this spring, I say Go Titans! As Tom says, college sports these days are pretty much "every man--er, school--for himself, er, itself!" Certainly that's what UIC did when it decided to pursue and then accept the MVC invite, and nobody blames them for that. I do note that HL promo material still cites as conference achievements things done by Butler and others. I'd perhaps be OK with UIC playing--because it is tough on their athletes--but an agreement that any revenue they get from the conference tournament or the NCAA, including their own gate, goes 100% to the league and its remaining teams. Be interesting to see how they'd react to that.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Feb 10, 2022 14:38:53 GMT -5
“Horizon League Statement Regarding UIC’s Conference Championship Eligibility” - Horizon League horizonleague.org/news/2022/2/7/general-horizon-league-statement-regarding-uics-conference-championship-eligibility.aspxKey paragraph: “Horizon League Bylaws provide a choice to departing members: either provide a reasonable one-year notice of a decision to join another league or lose the privilege of having its teams participate in League championships and potentially carry the Horizon League banner into NCAA tournament competition. The League’s eligibility Bylaws have been in place for years and were approved by its members, including UIC, fully aware of this choice.”
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Post by uofdfan1983 on Feb 10, 2022 16:21:55 GMT -5
I actually am going to credit the Horizon on the phrase you pulled out from their statement, Bob. Rather than just provide a vanilla statement, the League decided to come down on the side that UIC did this to themselves and their student/athletes. It's refreshing to see that the League actually put something down with meat in it. This contrasts to our style of writing. Example: in www.detroittitans.com SID rundown of yesterday's game, there was no mention of Akec's injury or McAdoo's suspension. I'm not overly upset with McAdoo -- what he did was wrong but I can understand why he was upset. He got punished, it's over with. Move on. But why isn't our SID allowed to mention how we overcame the absence of 2 starters, and explain why, in the writeup? The world can be nasty. Don't live in la la land all the time. The Horizon released a very appropriate announcement. Doesn't leave you wondering where they stand on UIC. I would not be surprised if a few UIC athletes transfer as a result of this, angry that their school killed their chances at a bid in all their remaining sports. UIC threw their athletes under the bus.
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Post by motorcitysam on Feb 10, 2022 16:39:37 GMT -5
“Horizon League Statement Regarding UIC’s Conference Championship Eligibility” - Horizon League horizonleague.org/news/2022/2/7/general-horizon-league-statement-regarding-uics-conference-championship-eligibility.aspxKey paragraph: “Horizon League Bylaws provide a choice to departing members: either provide a reasonable one-year notice of a decision to join another league or lose the privilege of having its teams participate in League championships and potentially carry the Horizon League banner into NCAA tournament competition. The League’s eligibility Bylaws have been in place for years and were approved by its members, including UIC, fully aware of this choice.” The Horizon League is catching a lot of heat on social media for this decision. Of course, I think the league does a lot of things wrong, but I can't fault them in this situation. UIC made the decision that a quick exit was more important than the bylaws. I understand that, but they don't get to act like a victim here.
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Feb 10, 2022 19:53:45 GMT -5
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Post by upbasketballfan on Feb 10, 2022 19:53:45 GMT -5
It actually would be worth it. To be able to get out of the endless horizon.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Feb 10, 2022 22:12:50 GMT -5
It’s past time to forget about UIC and move on , they are no longer. See ya!
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Post by ptctitan on Feb 11, 2022 4:26:12 GMT -5
The choicest tidbit in that IndyStar column is that UIC made the motion to amend the HL By-Laws in 2013 to adopt the current rule about which it now complains. As upbasketballfan says, "See ya." Hope you have as much success in the Valley as Valpo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 10:41:40 GMT -5
I don't know what he's saying here or if I agree. I'd think teams 6 thru 11 play a play-in round. In the next round, 4 hosts 5, 1 hosts the winner of 8/9, 2 hosts the winner of 7/10, and 3 hosts the winner of 6/11. Unless they reseed the winners of 6 thru 11, highest remaining to lowest with 1 getting the lowest remaining, and so on.... Yes, I agree, the top five finishers would get a bye. The other six teams (sans UIC) would play each other in the first round, the three winners joining the top five in the quarterfinals. That 5th place could well be UDM. I had heard just after the MVC announcement that UIC was on okie-dokey terms with the Horizon and the Flames would be allowed to play in the tournament, perhaps there has been a change of mind/heart. Just like we thought:
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Post by Rogobob77 on Feb 14, 2022 8:09:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2022 13:11:15 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Feb 15, 2022 17:25:10 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings on the HL decision. On one hand, the student athletes benefit, which is good for them. On the other hand, the HL just set the precedent that member institutions don't have to take the by laws seriously. That will come back in the future.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Feb 15, 2022 19:38:33 GMT -5
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Post by upbasketballfan on Feb 15, 2022 22:22:49 GMT -5
And they originally were one of the schools to Uniate the rule to have schools notify a year before leaving. Horizon is so weak!
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Post by upbasketballfan on Feb 15, 2022 22:25:23 GMT -5
The Horizon League and it’s board are a JOKE!
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Post by Rogobob77 on Feb 17, 2022 19:58:19 GMT -5
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