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Post by upbasketballfan on Aug 9, 2019 8:31:18 GMT -5
Kinda raises a red flag, even in this current transfer crazy era The guy has an adult body, he is 6'5" guard from a conference that was ranked in the top ten conference and wants to possibly play for us. I will pick that red flag up.
Don't forget we are still banned from post play. We a getting recruits still interested in are program is a big deal at this point especially the talent level that we are drawling in. These are some legit D1 basketball players. We are not getting scrubs that should be playing D2. I would like to see a big man but I totally understand the status of are situation.
Not me!. I'm a chemistry guy. We probably already have 2-3 guys who will be in front of this guy. If we are banned from post play then I consider the season a wash and we should be looking to next season. Isn't a major reason for the ban because we had guys who couldn't hang and stay put. Not sure we need some super balls bouncing around. I kind of hope this is just showing favor for future considerations.
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Post by ptctitan on Aug 9, 2019 9:02:48 GMT -5
Since we are about 3-4 weeks away from knowing the full roster, I've stopped worrying or trying to speculate. I am confident that we will be able to field a team with some pretty good players on the roster. The last few spots will be surprises. Don't know if those surprises will be good or disappointing. And we likely won't know the status of our appeal of the APR issue until October. I've just accepted the fact that Coach Davis has his own way of doing things; and, that way is not helpful to message board discussions during the summer. I'm cautiously optimistic that we will win our APR appeal.
More importantly to the long-term success of our program, I've heard that the university will begin a fund raising effort specifically targeted to men's basketball so that the facilities for the players and Titan Club members will be upgraded significantly. I understand that if we can reach this donation target, our facilities will become comparable to those at most private power conference teams and that the coaches feel that they will be able to attract consistently high level recruits. The university is beginning to see that a successful flagship men's BB can generate more applications for admission. And now that the university's overall financial condition has improved, they feel more receptive to these types of things.
I would hope that when this effort is announced, that all fans contribute to it.
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Post by Commissioner on Aug 9, 2019 9:26:41 GMT -5
I reviewed his resume. If he signs on, it will be his 7th school in 7 years starting with soph yr in HS. Kinda raises a red flag, even in this current transfer crazy era On the other hand, this would pretty much have to be his last stop. No signs of any trouble I can find, despite all that moving. I'm puzzled--wouldn't he have to sit a year? And then have just 1 more year of eligibility (because of the 5 year rule; 2016-17 at UTEP, 17-18 Redshirt at juco; 18-19 @ Tulsa)? But he's listed at Verbal Commits as immediately eligible, and likely wouldn't transfer if that weren't the case. So has he graduated in 3 years? Despite all the moving? That would lower most of the way any red flag I got from his moving -- it would indicate a smart and dedicated student, no? That would also mean two years to play for the Titans. He played at least 15 minutes in each of Tulsa's first 8 games last year, but then his floor decreased as the year went on.
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Post by Commissioner on Aug 9, 2019 9:34:23 GMT -5
The guy has an adult body, he is 6'5" guard from a conference that was ranked in the top ten conference and wants to possibly play for us. I will pick that red flag up.
Don't forget we are still banned from post play. We a getting recruits still interested in are program is a big deal at this point especially the talent level that we are drawling in. These are some legit D1 basketball players. We are not getting scrubs that should be playing D2. I would like to see a big man but I totally understand the status of are situation.
Not me!. I'm a chemistry guy. We probably already have 2-3 guys who will be in front of this guy. If we are banned from post play then I consider the season a wash and we should be looking to next season. Isn't a major reason for the ban because we had guys who couldn't hang and stay put. Not sure we need some super balls bouncing around. I kind of hope this is just showing favor for future considerations. On that last, no. That is to say, transfers don't hurt you if they a) are in good academic standing when they leave; b) have at least a 2.5 gpa when they leave; and c) enroll somewhere else. Ballantyne and JJJ hurt us because they didn't enroll anywhere for a year--that's the whole basis for our appeal, that there were no academic problems with either kid, and both are now re-enrolled at an NCAA institution, so that really shouldn't count against us. The rule is intended to make sure you don't enroll kids who really can't hack it academically, and that wasn't the case with Jack or Triple J. It appears that Hamrick will cost us a point because he didn't have a 2.5 gpa--I'm speculating here, but I suspect that's the case from Davis's reported comment that he will cost us a point, and the fact that he didn't appear to be ineligible had he stayed. (BTW, that 2.5 thing seems a stupid rule). The guys who hurt us were the guys who just flunked out--Bass, Gibson, and Tyrique Jones. Barnes hasn't flunked out anywhere, and it looks like he might have earned his degree in 3 years (I can't figure out otherwise why he could be immediately eligible, which seems to be the case). Basically, transfers don't cost you. Academically ineligible players cost you, and drop outs cost you.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Aug 9, 2019 10:51:33 GMT -5
Not me!. I'm a chemistry guy. We probably already have 2-3 guys who will be in front of this guy. If we are banned from post play then I consider the season a wash and we should be looking to next season. Isn't a major reason for the ban because we had guys who couldn't hang and stay put. Not sure we need some super balls bouncing around. I kind of hope this is just showing favor for future considerations. On that last, no. That is to say, transfers don't hurt you if they a) are in good academic standing when they leave; b) have at least a 2.5 gpa when they leave; and c) enroll somewhere else. Ballantyne and JJJ hurt us because they didn't enroll anywhere for a year--that's the whole basis for our appeal, that there were no academic problems with either kid, and both are now re-enrolled at an NCAA institution, so that really shouldn't count against us. The rule is intended to make sure you don't enroll kids who really can't hack it academically, and that wasn't the case with Jack or Triple J. It appears that Hamrick will cost us a point because he didn't have a 2.5 gpa--I'm speculating here, but I suspect that's the case from Davis's reported comment that he will cost us a point, and the fact that he didn't appear to be ineligible had he stayed. (BTW, that 2.5 thing seems a stupid rule). The guys who hurt us were the guys who just flunked out--Bass, Gibson, and Tyrique Jones. Barnes hasn't flunked out anywhere, and it looks like he might have earned his degree in 3 years (I can't figure out otherwise why he could be immediately eligible, which seems to be the case). Basically, transfers don't cost you. Academically ineligible players cost you, and drop outs cost you. What if he was asked to leave the team and given an outright release?
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Post by Commissioner on Aug 9, 2019 13:44:21 GMT -5
On that last, no. That is to say, transfers don't hurt you if they a) are in good academic standing when they leave; b) have at least a 2.5 gpa when they leave; and c) enroll somewhere else. Ballantyne and JJJ hurt us because they didn't enroll anywhere for a year--that's the whole basis for our appeal, that there were no academic problems with either kid, and both are now re-enrolled at an NCAA institution, so that really shouldn't count against us. The rule is intended to make sure you don't enroll kids who really can't hack it academically, and that wasn't the case with Jack or Triple J. It appears that Hamrick will cost us a point because he didn't have a 2.5 gpa--I'm speculating here, but I suspect that's the case from Davis's reported comment that he will cost us a point, and the fact that he didn't appear to be ineligible had he stayed. (BTW, that 2.5 thing seems a stupid rule). The guys who hurt us were the guys who just flunked out--Bass, Gibson, and Tyrique Jones. Barnes hasn't flunked out anywhere, and it looks like he might have earned his degree in 3 years (I can't figure out otherwise why he could be immediately eligible, which seems to be the case). Basically, transfers don't cost you. Academically ineligible players cost you, and drop outs cost you. What if he was asked to leave the team and given an outright release? If someone leaves school without graduating and doesn't enroll elsewhere, you lose a point. It doesn't matter why.
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 9, 2019 16:29:58 GMT -5
Not me!. I'm a chemistry guy. We probably already have 2-3 guys who will be in front of this guy. If we are banned from post play then I consider the season a wash and we should be looking to next season. Isn't a major reason for the ban because we had guys who couldn't hang and stay put. Not sure we need some super balls bouncing around. I kind of hope this is just showing favor for future considerations. On that last, no. That is to say, transfers don't hurt you if they a) are in good academic standing when they leave; b) have at least a 2.5 gpa when they leave; and c) enroll somewhere else. Ballantyne and JJJ hurt us because they didn't enroll anywhere for a year--that's the whole basis for our appeal, that there were no academic problems with either kid, and both are now re-enrolled at an NCAA institution, so that really shouldn't count against us. The rule is intended to make sure you don't enroll kids who really can't hack it academically, and that wasn't the case with Jack or Triple J. It appears that Hamrick will cost us a point because he didn't have a 2.5 gpa--I'm speculating here, but I suspect that's the case from Davis's reported comment that he will cost us a point, and the fact that he didn't appear to be ineligible had he stayed. (BTW, that 2.5 thing seems a stupid rule). The guys who hurt us were the guys who just flunked out--Bass, Gibson, and Tyrique Jones. Barnes hasn't flunked out anywhere, and it looks like he might have earned his degree in 3 years (I can't figure out otherwise why he could be immediately eligible, which seems to be the case). Basically, transfers don't cost you. Academically ineligible players cost you, and drop outs cost you. Just to clarify: Did the academic issues of AFS, Grant, and Hogan impact our APR?
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Post by Commissioner on Aug 9, 2019 16:44:32 GMT -5
On that last, no. That is to say, transfers don't hurt you if they a) are in good academic standing when they leave; b) have at least a 2.5 gpa when they leave; and c) enroll somewhere else. Ballantyne and JJJ hurt us because they didn't enroll anywhere for a year--that's the whole basis for our appeal, that there were no academic problems with either kid, and both are now re-enrolled at an NCAA institution, so that really shouldn't count against us. The rule is intended to make sure you don't enroll kids who really can't hack it academically, and that wasn't the case with Jack or Triple J. It appears that Hamrick will cost us a point because he didn't have a 2.5 gpa--I'm speculating here, but I suspect that's the case from Davis's reported comment that he will cost us a point, and the fact that he didn't appear to be ineligible had he stayed. (BTW, that 2.5 thing seems a stupid rule). The guys who hurt us were the guys who just flunked out--Bass, Gibson, and Tyrique Jones. Barnes hasn't flunked out anywhere, and it looks like he might have earned his degree in 3 years (I can't figure out otherwise why he could be immediately eligible, which seems to be the case). Basically, transfers don't cost you. Academically ineligible players cost you, and drop outs cost you. Just to clarify: Did the academic issues of AFS, Grant, and Hogan impact our APR? Academically ineligible costs you.
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 9, 2019 17:24:07 GMT -5
Just to clarify: Did the academic issues of AFS, Grant, and Hogan impact our APR? Academically ineligible costs you. That's what I thought. Just seems like the overall theme of the discussion on this issue has focused heavily on JB and JJ so I wanted to ask. I am not sure the NCAA will be as quick to disregard the other issues when weighing our appeal.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Aug 9, 2019 17:37:18 GMT -5
Academically ineligible costs you. That's what I thought. Just seems like the overall theme of the discussion on this issue has focused heavily on JB and JJ so I wanted to ask. I am not sure the NCAA will be as quick to disregard the other issues when weighing our appeal. I don’t think the NCAA will disregard the other academic issues, but if you change the status of JB and JJ the bottom line math gives Detroit Mercy an acceptable APR. I think the fact that we’ve apparently been told that no decision can be rendered until those players are officially enrolled for the Fall semester is a good sign.
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Post by titantarheel on Aug 12, 2019 8:44:29 GMT -5
The fall term at UDM officially started next Tuesday - August 20th. Perhaps at that time word on the roster will start to come out official or otherwise as guys are (or are not) on campus and in classes. I suppose we have to just be a bit more patient, and then hope to have some connected leaks on campus to pass the word on who they are seeing out there.
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Post by larrytitan on Aug 12, 2019 9:27:25 GMT -5
It appears that our connected leaks on campus have dried up! BTW, how did Chris Barnes visit go last Friday?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 9:43:33 GMT -5
It appears that our connected leaks on campus have dried up! BTW, how did Chris Barnes visit go last Friday? There's been no further mention of it on social media. We don't know if he committed or if an offer was even made. Players who are still available need to make decisions soon if they want to actually attend School's in the Fall..
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Post by Rogobob77 on Aug 12, 2019 10:23:23 GMT -5
The fall term at UDM officially started next Tuesday - August 20th. Perhaps at that time word on the roster will start to come out official or otherwise as guys are (or are not) on campus and in classes. I suppose we have to just be a bit more patient, and then hope to have some connected leaks on campus to pass the word on who they are seeing out there. Start of classes is August 26. www.udmercy.edu/current-students/registrar/files/current_3yr_calendar.pdf
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Post by titantarheel on Aug 12, 2019 12:42:21 GMT -5
The fall term at UDM officially started next Tuesday - August 20th. Perhaps at that time word on the roster will start to come out official or otherwise as guys are (or are not) on campus and in classes. I suppose we have to just be a bit more patient, and then hope to have some connected leaks on campus to pass the word on who they are seeing out there. Start of classes is August 26. www.udmercy.edu/current-students/registrar/files/current_3yr_calendar.pdfAhh my bad. I was on the Dental page somehow by accident and they note Aug 20 as "Fall Term Starts". Thus your date is more relevant, unless some of our new players enrolled in the Dental School
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