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Post by calihanmole on Jul 5, 2019 18:02:36 GMT -5
It’s not that I think Calipari is especially great. I actually just think people here way overvalue Maxwell and Rose. Especially Rose when you look at his JUCO stats. No disrespect to any of these guys. I really don’t care who gets the starts and minutes so long as all those starts and minutes are earned. Something just tells me Calipari’s age and experience will get him more starts over Maxwell and Rose. I’m not saying he will shoot a lot, just saying he could play the 1 and feed AD.
I think Hofman will be the best player in this class. If you get called to play for the Belgian U18 team you have the skills to dominate in the HL. Maybe not “change the landscape” but definitely dominate at your position.
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Post by Commissioner on Jul 5, 2019 20:29:58 GMT -5
It’s not that I think Calipari is especially great. I actually just think people here way overvalue Maxwell and Rose. Especially Rose when you look at his JUCO stats. No disrespect to any of these guys. I really don’t care who gets the starts and minutes so long as all those starts and minutes are earned. Something just tells me Calipari’s age and experience will get him more starts over Maxwell and Rose. I’m not saying he will shoot a lot, just saying he could play the 1 and feed AD. I think Hofman will be the best player in this class. If you get called to play for the Belgian U18 team you have the skills to dominate in the HL. Maybe not “change the landscape” but definitely dominate at your position. I agree with you on Rose but not Maxwell. The SWAC is considerably inferior even to today’s Horizon. But BJ averaged over 9 ppg last year, while shooting over 40% from three. His career 3 pt % is also over 40%. He averaged almost 5 rebounds a game last year and had an a/to ratio of better than 2/1. He’ll be 22 yrs and 5 months old by opening day, with 72 games under his belt. He’s got some size. That’s good stuff. Calipari is 6 months older. I think Brad will be good but he has scarcely played a formal game in 3 years. They’ll both play, 8 think. Indeed, I very much doubt Brad comes to UD without that promise. Meanwhile, I’m happy to get Hoffman, but Willie Isiani player for Georgia’s national team. UIC’s Jordan Blount player for Ireland’s. Both are good but no where near dominant (though eligibility and injury may have frustrated Willie last year.) Playing on these junior national teams in Europe is certainly a good credential and I love Willie, it I suspect you are overvaluing that credential.. Anyway, lots of options. Arguing is fun-not much else to do as we wait 4 more months (from today, exactly) to start the season.
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Post by Commissioner on Jul 5, 2019 21:18:27 GMT -5
Putting it another way, Belgium’s population is less than ohio’s. If a guy were a 2nd or third team all-state player in Ohio, we’d be happy to get him but I don’t know that we’d expect him to dominate, or even start, as a freshman. And my guess is that an Ohio U18 team would beat a Belgian one more often than not.
All of which is not to slight Sam Hofman, who sounds like a good catch for us.
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Post by calihanmole on Jul 5, 2019 23:20:46 GMT -5
Putting it another way, Belgium’s population is less than ohio’s. If a guy were a 2nd or third team all-state player in Ohio, we’d be happy to get him but I don’t know that we’d expect him to dominate, or even start, as a freshman. And my guess is that an Ohio U18 team would beat a Belgian one more often than not. All of which is not to slight Sam Hofman, who sounds like a good catch for us. Not to split hairs, but I’m not sure that’s that’s a fair comparison. If you get called up for your U18 team you’re top 12 roster talent in your country for not just your birth year but also another year. The team that Hofman just played on would have the rights to call up players eligible for the national team born in 2000 or 2001. I don’t follow HS basketball as closely, but wouldn’t the Ohio all-State team only gather players from a particular graduating class? I could very well be wrong about that. Also, population can be misleading. You have to consider that other players outside of Belgium are eligible under FIBA rules to represent Belgium. A Belgian grandparent is good enough and there are other ways to meet eligibility. Some of these European basketball and soccer federations are so organized that they have diaspora teams to serve as recruitment vehicles. Of course, what would be truly impressive would be getting called up for one’s actual national team which can draw players of any age. Who knows if Hofman will ever get that call. One thing you need to consider as a college team recruiting these kids is that if they get that call you might lose them for the summer or even leave school altogether.
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Post by ptctitan on Jul 6, 2019 6:51:25 GMT -5
It's really hard to predict a starting lineup beyond Antoine because the new recruits are not well-known players. And, with Head Coach Davis, it's more important to be in his top 8 than actually start. He will adjust the minutes each game to those 5 players who are playing their best.
I think it's more likely that we are getting 1 or 2 more bigs, one of whom is likely to be another international freshman - the 6'10" or 6'11" guy mentioned to rogobob. I don't think Parilla will be back as a walk-on. BJ Maxwell has 3 years experience at Abilene Christian which was a 15 seed in last year's NCAA tournament. In other words, the NCAA evaluated Maxwell's team no differently than it did our 2011-12 HL championship team with Ray Jr., Calliste, Lowe, Holman and Doug Anderson. I think the coaches believe that we have landed Abilene Christian's version of Calliste.
What is clear so far: the coaches have brought in many more players who can shoot the 3. Hofman's experience in FIBA is important because the 3-pt line in the upcoming season will be FIBA distance. Brandon and Curry did not get much PT down the stretch last year. In the last few weeks of the season, Coach went to Wily at C ahead of Curry who is just too small to play the post.
Since we do not know our complete roster situation, it's difficult to predict a starting line-up. But my top 8 so far are:
1. Antoine 2. Maxwell 3. Moore 4. Miller 5. Isiani 6. Brandon 7. Boe 8. Curry/Hofman/Calipari/Rose/LeGrande
Obviously, if there are more additions or subtractions to the roster, this will change. There are 7 players fighting for the last 3 spots in the top 8. And, if Miller must sit one year, then there are 4 spots open in the top 8. Hopefully, this competition will make everyone better. Especially, if we are able to announce a new big with some skills. The only thing certain about this initial guess is that beyond #1, it will likely be wrong by the time we get to HL play.
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Post by Commissioner on Jul 7, 2019 19:24:13 GMT -5
Putting it another way, Belgium’s population is less than ohio’s. If a guy were a 2nd or third team all-state player in Ohio, we’d be happy to get him but I don’t know that we’d expect him to dominate, or even start, as a freshman. And my guess is that an Ohio U18 team would beat a Belgian one more often than not. All of which is not to slight Sam Hofman, who sounds like a good catch for us. Not to split hairs, but I’m not sure that’s that’s a fair comparison. If you get called up for your U18 team you’re top 12 roster talent in your country for not just your birth year but also another year. The team that Hofman just played on would have the rights to call up players eligible for the national team born in 2000 or 2001. I don’t follow HS basketball as closely, but wouldn’t the Ohio all-State team only gather players from a particular graduating class? Have you ever heard of an all-state team limited to one class? Me neither. Ohio's population is about 5% larger than that of Belgium and I seriously doubt you want to hang your hat on the idea that the Belgian ex-pat community is filling up their national team roster. Anyway, we'll start to see in a few months.
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Post by Commissioner on Jul 7, 2019 19:53:31 GMT -5
It's really hard to predict a starting lineup beyond Antoine because the new recruits are not well-known players. And, with Head Coach Davis, it's more important to be in his top 8 than actually start. He will adjust the minutes each game to those 5 players who are playing their best. I think it's more likely that we are getting 1 or 2 more bigs, one of whom is likely to be another international freshman - the 6'10" or 6'11" guy mentioned to rogobob. I don't think Parilla will be back as a walk-on. BJ Maxwell has 3 years experience at Abilene Christian which was a 15 seed in last year's NCAA tournament. In other words, the NCAA evaluated Maxwell's team no differently than it did our 2011-12 HL championship team with Ray Jr., Calliste, Lowe, Holman and Doug Anderson. I think the coaches believe that we have landed Abilene Christian's version of Calliste. I don't think it is at all accurate to say that ACU last year was more or less Detroit in 2012. Low NCAA seeds are basically determined by who else qualifies and what regional they want to put you in, and by RPI, who's faults are perfectly encapsulated in a comparison of the 2012 Titans and the 2019 Wildcats (I won't go into why right here, except two quick points: ACU's SOS last year ranked 328; Detroit's in 2012 ranked 162; ACU's top win was over a team with a 165 RPI; 2012 Detroit beat 8 teams with higher RPIs. OK, I'll add third point--Detroit's RPI was low because the Titans started 1-6 against DI teams, losing to several inferior teams. In other words, are guys underperformed that year. ACU's did not--they really didn't lose games they shouldn't have lost. I don't think anybody seriously eyeballing the teams would say that they were comparable--though certainly ACU was a good team, the March 2012 Titans would probably have beaten the March 2019 Wildcats 7 times out of ten. Meanwhile, Jason Calliste was a RS soph in 2012; Maxwell a RS junior in 2019. Calliste had better stats than Maxwell-significantly better--both as a RS Fr and as a RS soph, vs. Maxwell as a RS freshman and a RS soph. Statistics don't lie, but when used improperly they can be misleading. I've pointed out a couple places that Brandon's PT fell way off late last year. He was below 10 minutes in 10 of the last 13 games, including sitting out the last 2, averaging 7 minutes per game. He had averaged over 21 minutes in the first 18 games, with just one (9 minutes against BGSU) below 10 minutes played. I think people are failing to consider that when looking forward. We'll have to see how much time he gets. People are overrating Boe. He should play more this year, and I think by his junior year he'll be a serious contributor. I don't see that he did anything last year to suggest he'll play ahead of Curry, especially if we sign the mystery "big," so that size is less an issue. Miller is, I think, unlikely to play this year. So you can pencil Curry into the top 8. Meanwhile, one of the guards--probably Calipari--makes the top 8 because you need a true guard off the bench at least sometimes--Moore is really a SF/wing, not a ball handler. And as I've noted elsewhere, I highly doubt Calipari comes here without some assurance that major minutes are on the horizon. Not to say he doesn't have to earn them, but he'll get every chance to do so. That last I'll agree with, although I'll add that I think major minutes for Maxwell and Willie are probably assured.
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Post by ptctitan on Jul 8, 2019 7:48:19 GMT -5
Commissioner - statistics are also determined by how a player is used by his coach in the system played by the coach. In responding to some posts questioning Maxwell, my point was that Maxwell's 3 years of D-1 experience counts for more than any player's JUCO or HS experience. And that he will play a role on our 2019-20 team similar to the role played by Calliste on our 2011-12 team. On that team, Calliste averaged 10.2 PPG, shot 34.4% 3PG%, 75% FT%, and averaged 3.0 RPG. Last season, Maxwell averaged 9.2 PPG, 40.5% 3PG%, 85.3% FT%, and 4.7 RPG. It's unimportant to me whether our 2011-12 team was better than last year's ACU team. The fact is that the NCAA selection committee evaluated both of them at the same seed for whatever reasons were appropriate in each season. Maxwell will be to Antoine what Calliste was to Ray, Jr. That is my main point.
Currently, I am ranking Boe 7th because of the position that he plays. He is more athletic than Curry and can play the 5 position. Curry is too small to play the 5 position. If Miller must sit out and the roster does not add a competent big man, then Boe will be higher in the rotation than Curry unless Curry uses the summer to assert himself. And Miller could be as high as #2 if he is able to play this season.
Curry and Brandon both saw their playing time dwindle in the last games of the season. Curry also did not play versus NKU in the HL quarterfinal. His final 3 games had minutes of 17, 12, and 10. Brandon and Curry lost PT mainly because they did not play good positional defense. Brandon's superior athleticism permitted him to recover more than Curry; but, in many games, he was like a deer in the headlights against the offensive systems of NKU, UIC, Wright State, and Oakland. Curry was overmatched at center. He should play the 3 or 4 position. But Moore shot and rebounded better late in the season. And Isiani was OK at center. Of course, Curry could be #6, #7, or #8. As could Boe and Brandon.
Finally, at the beginning of the season, until I see how the new guys play in game conditions, with the exception of Maxwell, I will default to our returning players ahead of the newcomers because they understand our system better. As good as our incoming players could become, right now, our returning players have the edge.
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Post by Commissioner on Nov 2, 2019 23:31:33 GMT -5
Anybody know anything about this report in Newsday and Rotowire?
B.J. Maxwell G out for season - Eligibility - 10/29/19 Maxwell will miss the entire 2019-20 season due to an eligibility issue.
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Post by calihanmole on Nov 2, 2019 23:36:33 GMT -5
Wow. That sucks if true. This season is going to end up being hoping AD plays good enough to get excited about the future, but not so good he leaves. And hoping the MBM actually shows up in December, and that we get a great 2020 recruiting class.
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Post by Commissioner on Nov 2, 2019 23:48:15 GMT -5
Wow. That sucks if true. This season is going to end up being hoping AD plays good enough to get excited about the future, but not so good he leaves. And hoping the MBM actually shows up in December, and that we get a great 2020 recruiting class. Yeah. I'm not sure it's true though. They use that designation for any transfer who has to sit. So it might just be a dumb error. Thing that bugs me is the 10/29 date.
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Post by nctitan on Nov 3, 2019 5:08:04 GMT -5
Wow. That sucks if true. This season is going to end up being hoping AD plays good enough to get excited about the future, but not so good he leaves. And hoping the MBM actually shows up in December, and that we get a great 2020 recruiting class. Yeah. I'm not sure it's true though. They use that designation for any transfer who has to sit. So it might just be a dumb error. Thing that bugs me is the 10/29 date. Maxwell is listed as a graduate transfer, so he shouldn't have to sit and should be immediately eligible.
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Post by Commissioner on Nov 3, 2019 6:19:31 GMT -5
Yeah. I'm not sure it's true though. They use that designation for any transfer who has to sit. So it might just be a dumb error. Thing that bugs me is the 10/29 date. Maxwell is listed as a graduate transfer, so he shouldn't have to sit and should be immediately eligible. Right. So is there some other problem?
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Post by Rogobob77 on Nov 3, 2019 9:04:43 GMT -5
Maybe I missing something, but this page at the RotoWire site (which indicates that Maxwell is expected to sit out this season) appears to have been last updated on July 3, 2019: www.rotowire.com/cbasketball/player.php?id=777(You may need to cut and paste this link in your browser to get to the right page.) Didn’t Maxwell play in the Michigan scrimmage? Would be interesting to hear if he played in Friday’s scrimmage against CMU.
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Post by Commissioner on Nov 3, 2019 9:35:00 GMT -5
Maybe I missing something, but this page at the RotoWire site (which indicates that Maxwell is expected to sit out this season) appears to have been last updated on July 3, 2019: www.rotowire.com/cbasketball/player.php?id=777(You may need to cut and paste this link in your browser to get to the right page.) Didn’t Maxwell play in the Michigan scrimmage? Would be interesting to hear if he played in Friday’s scrimmage against CMU. I think this report is incorrect. But Newsday and a couple other sites list the date as 10/29. I think that's the first date they posted NCAA injury lists, though, and they just have the info wrong. But I'd like to know--it would really hurt, I think, to lose Maxwell.
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