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Post by udballer on Apr 13, 2020 21:05:57 GMT -5
Disagree. Much more apt to go MC Sam's route and place much more emphasis on shooting percentage than I am to simply say whomever has the most points is the best scorer.
Also, the best offensive player usually draws the best (capable) defensive player. I'd not say that AD gets treated any differently than Brandon Cotton did.
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Post by JDetroitTitan on Apr 14, 2020 7:01:45 GMT -5
Disagree. Much more apt to go MC Sam's route and place much more emphasis on shooting percentage than I am to simply say whomever has the most points is the best scorer. Also, the best offensive player usually draws the best (capable) defensive player. I'd not say that AD gets treated any differently than Brandon Cotton did. The only problem with shooting % is that you are more or less give high value on a position that is under the hoop. My stands is still on most points.
(*good point with Brandon Cotton but he got 1,464 points in the three years at Detroit and Twan got 1513 in two years. I still like the point and we could discuses all the different factor on these two players and who points were harder to come by.)
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 14, 2020 7:03:04 GMT -5
The greatest score implies you made the most baskets. If AD stays for four years he will have the crown. John Long has the career record for most made baskets: 941. DeBusschere is second with 811. Duerod is 3rd with 790. Career shooting percentages: Long - 48.4%. DeBusschere - 42.3%. Duerod 51.2%. AD has 500 made field goals after two years and a shooting percentage of 39.1%. Rashad's career shooting percentage was 42.9%. The value of having seen a lot of these older guys play is that some of us can compare their playing styles to AD. What you guys who never saw Long play don't realize is how quick he was and how many corner jump shots he took and made. He could play in the modern game. Duerod was a shooter just like AD. He took and made lots of long jump shots that would be 3-point baskets in the modern game. A 51% field goal average makes him the best shooter in Titan history, IMO. But the category for this thread is greatest scorer. IMO, currently there are only two players who could claim the description of greatest scorer in Titan history. Long and DeBusschere. Second tier is Duerod and Rashad. All 4 of these guys were great players. AD can still reach those levels, but this coming year, he will have to improve greatly his scoring efficiency. |
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Post by udballer on Apr 14, 2020 16:42:15 GMT -5
Disagree. Much more apt to go MC Sam's route and place much more emphasis on shooting percentage than I am to simply say whomever has the most points is the best scorer. Also, the best offensive player usually draws the best (capable) defensive player. I'd not say that AD gets treated any differently than Brandon Cotton did. The only problem with shooting % is that you are more or less give high value on a position that is under the hoop. My stands is still on most points.
(*good point with Brandon Cotton but he got 1,464 points in the three years at Detroit and Twan got 1513 in two years. I still like the point and we could discuses all the different factor on these two players and who points were harder to come by.)
AD has already taken 70 more shots than Cotton from the guard position. I specifically picked Cotton because based on all available numbers those two are very close, with Cotton appearing to be a slightly better scorer based on the stats. Now, I definitely like AD as a player more than I liked Cotton... but thus far Cotton was every bit the scorer AD has been. Good discussion. |
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Post by nctitan on Apr 15, 2020 12:30:18 GMT -5
Asking who's the best scorer is a lot like asking who is the best outfielder ever in baseball. Babe Ruth? Ted Williams? Willy Mays? Heck, I don't know five people who would agree on the best outfield in baseball. So, what's the best starting five for the Titans?
Haywood at center
Big Dave at power forward
John Long at small forward
Rashad at point guard
Duerod at shooting guard
If AD closes in on 3,000 points in a four-year career, would he push out Duerod?
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 15, 2020 15:17:31 GMT -5
Asking who's the best scorer is a lot like asking who is the best outfielder ever in baseball. Babe Ruth? Ted Williams? Willy Mays? Heck, I don't know five people who would agree on the best outfield in baseball. So, what's the best starting five for the Titans? Haywood at center Big Dave at power forward John Long at small forward Rashad at point guard Duerod at shooting guard If AD closes in on 3,000 points in a four-year career, would he push out Duerod? Let's add a bench: PG: Ray McCallum PG: Dennis Boyd SG: Archie Tullos SG/SF: Bill Ebben SF: Willie Green PF: Earl the Twirl PF Terry Tyler C: Dorie Murrey |
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Post by udballer on Apr 15, 2020 18:01:44 GMT -5
Add D. Hayes to the bench. He was every bit the player that Willie Green was.
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Post by udballer on Apr 15, 2020 18:06:23 GMT -5
Add D. Hayes to the bench. He was every bit the player that Willie Green was. Tolbert too. We'll have a deep bench.  |
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 16, 2020 8:02:28 GMT -5
Add D. Hayes to the bench. He was every bit the player that Willie Green was. Tolbert too. We'll have a deep bench. You only get 13 scholarships. I limited to that--if we start allowing walk-ons, we could have a 30 man roster. I thought about Tolbert over Tullos. |
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 16, 2020 8:04:43 GMT -5
Tolbert too. We'll have a deep bench. You only get 13 scholarships. I limited to that--if we start allowing walk-ons, we could have a 30 man roster. I thought about Tolbert over Tullos. I also wasn't sure about Earl the Twirl, who was a fine collegiate player, but I'm not sure I'd have him over some Titan forwards like Guy Sparrow or Norm Swanson, both of whom were honorable mention All-American, Swanson twice. |
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Post by udballer on Apr 16, 2020 15:54:23 GMT -5
It's fun to think about, no doubt. Our history is solid.
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 16, 2020 17:26:51 GMT -5
It's fun to think about, no doubt. Our history is solid. It really is. I feel like over the years the university hasn't done a good job of promoting all of that basketball history. I've said before we need to have a big display case in Calihan just for the 20 Titans who have played in the NBA. We've got two players in the basketball Hall of Fame; we need to promote that. The powers that be have an apparent fascination with the Vitale era, but there was a lot of good Titan basketball before and after that. The cool thing about the depth of Titan basketball talent is that you can come up with an all time starting five you think is the best and someone else can come up with a starting five of remaining Titan players that could beat that first team. :-) |
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Post by nctitan on Apr 16, 2020 17:45:30 GMT -5
You only get 13 scholarships. I limited to that--if we start allowing walk-ons, we could have a 30 man roster. I thought about Tolbert over Tullos. I also wasn't sure about Earl the Twirl, who was a fine collegiate player, but I'm not sure I'd have him over some Titan forwards like Guy Sparrow or Norm Swanson, both of whom were honorable mention All-American, Swanson twice. Earl played the majority of his time as a center, although he could also play PF, both in school and in the NBA. I don't know who else is a true center. Murrey is listed as a forward in his histories. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 10:18:02 GMT -5
The highest vote getter is celebrating a birthday:
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Post by larrytitan on Apr 23, 2020 7:48:17 GMT -5
Note Spencer wore #44 for home games (white uni) and #45 for road (red). That was a common practice in those days.
Uni always had Detroit on front....it wasn't until Vitale era that Titans was displayed.
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