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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 10:30:41 GMT -5
Interested in your opinions, so I started a poll. It would be a shame if the season were not played or cut short, especially with what appears to be the strongest Titan team in years ready to compete
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Post by motorcitysam on Jul 29, 2020 10:36:38 GMT -5
Good poll. I voted for the Conference games only option, but part of that is wishful thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 11:22:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure what scenario will play out, but the way things are looking (with College Football), it seems likely the College Basketball season will, at best, be altered in some way from what we know as the previous norm. Highly doubtful or maybe impossible that a vaccine will be ready to go and distributed, along with the players inoculated before March madness. The whole MLB experiment is interesting and scary to say the least, and might give us a clue as to what we can expect...
BTW, I voted for #2 - "non conference games limited to regional opponents only", but I think we will play them after Jan 1 mixed in with Conference games. This is me being as positive minded as possible and I could easily see the entire season being cancelled
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Post by ptctitan on Jul 29, 2020 13:30:39 GMT -5
I also voted for Option #2.
I wonder when it will dawn on the colleges and others that if a person tests positive for COVID-19, it doesn't automatically mean they're sick or capable of infecting others. It just means they have the virus in them. Last December, four of our players missed games due to the flu. This isn't the bubonic plague or Ebola. This is a virus similar to the common cold that can cause bad things to certain people in higher risk categories. The flu can cause those complications. So can other viruses and bacteria. Those people with higher risks have the responsibility to take care of themselves according to their risk profile. A pro golfer who tested positive a couple weeks ago was back playing last weekend. We overcame our fears and let Magic play with HIV on the original Dream Team. He's still alive almost 30 years later without it moving to AIDS and none of his teammates got HIV. BTW, almost 97% of all the 360,000 new cases in Florida don't require hospitalization of any kind.
This is my continued rant against the NCAA and colleges - not against any of you folks here for your opinions.
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Post by calihanmole on Jul 29, 2020 14:00:13 GMT -5
I said no season. I don’t necessarily disagree with what ptc says, but people like him often overlook the fact that universities and leadership really don’t want to take any risk of being seen as causing harm to their local hospitals and public health system. The risk might be low for college students dying, but if the ICU beds are down to zero in your city and your university is playing sports it’s the end of your college presidency. That’s just the narrative.
Also, as someone who works on a college campus, I’ve seen enough documents and have sat in on enough meetings to know that sports will just not happen this year unless there is some unbelievably groundbreaking vaccine development and mass production of said vaccine the likes we’ve never seen before. Odds of sports for the spring semester are probably about 1%. In truth, we can’t rule out COVID causing problems for the 2021-2022 season.
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Post by udballer on Jul 29, 2020 21:02:25 GMT -5
I also voted for Option #2. I wonder when it will dawn on the colleges and others that if a person tests positive for COVID-19, it doesn't automatically mean they're sick or capable of infecting others. It just means they have the virus in them. Last December, four of our players missed games due to the flu. This isn't the bubonic plague or Ebola. This is a virus similar to the common cold that can cause bad things to certain people in higher risk categories. The flu can cause those complications. So can other viruses and bacteria. Those people with higher risks have the responsibility to take care of themselves according to their risk profile. A pro golfer who tested positive a couple weeks ago was back playing last weekend. We overcame our fears and let Magic play with HIV on the original Dream Team. He's still alive almost 30 years later without it moving to AIDS and none of his teammates got HIV. BTW, almost 97% of all the 360,000 new cases in Florida don't require hospitalization of any kind. This is my continued rant against the NCAA and colleges - not against any of you folks here for your opinions. 1) Please don't compare COVID to the common cold. That's a ridiculous assertion and you should be embarrassed for even posting it. 2) As far as I know, Magic Johnson was not having sex or sharing needles with any of his teammates so it's not too surprising that he didn't give any of them HIV. Not sure how that even entered the conversation.
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Post by ptctitan on Jul 30, 2020 8:30:01 GMT -5
1) Please don't compare COVID to the common cold. That's a ridiculous assertion and you should be embarrassed for even posting it. 2) As far as I know, Magic Johnson was not having sex or sharing needles with any of his teammates so it's not too surprising that he didn't give any of them HIV. Not sure how that even entered the conversation. The SARS-CoV-2 virus is a coronavirus. Many viruses that cause what we call the common cold are coronaviruses. I'm not at all embarrassed posting that fact. Also, the effects of having this virus on the vast majority of people are similar to the effects of the common cold. There are groups of people who have a greater risk of developing complications from SARS-CoV-2. Most of those same people are at greater risk of developing complications from a bad cold caused by a different virus. In November 1991, Magic disclosed that he had HIV. Other NBA players like Karl Malone expressed their fear that they could contract that virus from other NBA players through a lot of different means including blood transfers on court during a game, perspiration, etc. Six months later, we had learned more about how HIV was transmitted so that everyone was comfortable with Magic playing in the 1992 Olympics on the Dream Team. The fear present in December 1991 was not justified 6 months later. I am talking about playing games about 6 months from now. I am not talking about sending our players to Miami next week and playing in a 350 team round robin tournament. I am not talking about even permitting full arenas. The NCAA and colleges should make decisions based upon facts - not fear. Data - not dread. The data does not support the fear expressed by those institutions and the fear that imbues the post to which I have replied.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jul 30, 2020 9:44:04 GMT -5
I also voted for Option #2. I wonder when it will dawn on the colleges and others that if a person tests positive for COVID-19, it doesn't automatically mean they're sick or capable of infecting others. It just means they have the virus in them. Last December, four of our players missed games due to the flu. This isn't the bubonic plague or Ebola. This is a virus similar to the common cold that can cause bad things to certain people in higher risk categories. The flu can cause those complications. So can other viruses and bacteria. Those people with higher risks have the responsibility to take care of themselves according to their risk profile. A pro golfer who tested positive a couple weeks ago was back playing last weekend. We overcame our fears and let Magic play with HIV on the original Dream Team. He's still alive almost 30 years later without it moving to AIDS and none of his teammates got HIV. BTW, almost 97% of all the 360,000 new cases in Florida don't require hospitalization of any kind. This is my continued rant against the NCAA and colleges - not against any of you folks here for your opinions. 1) Please don't compare COVID to the common cold. That's a ridiculous assertion and you should be embarrassed for even posting it. 2) As far as I know, Magic Johnson was not having sex or sharing needles with any of his teammates so it's not too surprising that he didn't give any of them HIV. Not sure how that even entered the conversation. People making comments like "it's like the common cold" or "it's a hoax" have contributed to the situation we're in right now. One of my coworkers jumped on the "it's just the common cold" bandwagon early and continued to downplay the virus, all while taking advantage of the low airfares that hit the market in March and April. Of course, he got sick with Covid-19 and spent three weeks on bed rest, in a state he called close to death. He's in his forties, a vegan, and normally in great health. Another of my colleagues got the virus, spent a month off work, and lost 40 pounds in the first two weeks. One of my Dad's best friend tested positive for the virus about two weeks ago. He died the day before yesterday. In April I stood, covered head to toe in PPE, in a room with 53 dead bodies, all victims of the Covid-19. Probably a good idea if we stop downplaying the seriousness of the pandemic. And maybe we should stop pushing the idea that it's no big deal is someone dies if they were already in a high risk category. Edit: Right after I posted this, I read that Herman Cain passed away from the Corona virus.
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Post by titantarheel on Jul 30, 2020 10:37:31 GMT -5
PTC has a point, in fact the Plague only killed the people that ended up dead. Everyone else not dead wasnt killed by it so...
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Post by ptctitan on Jul 30, 2020 10:53:33 GMT -5
sam - it is a fact that for the vast majority of people who test positive for this virus, any effects or symptoms are similar to the common cold. There are certain groups of people who are more susceptible to more severe effects from this virus. We have learned that most, if not all, of those higher risk people have other health issues that make this coronavirus a greater threat to their health. People who meet the criteria of these groups need to take greater precautions. The vast majority of college students do not fall into one of these groups. Coaches, professors, and administrators likely have a greater percentage of their numbers in one of these groups due to their ages and the likelihood that as you age, you have a greater chance to develop other health issues that could increase the effects of this virus. But it seems that for many, whenever a person points out these facts, they think the person is trying to minimize the potential effects of this coronavirus on the health and lives of those more susceptible people. That is not the case.
If the players can play these games with no more threat to their lives than the flu, then we should play the games. If some coaches are in a more susceptible group, then the games should still be played if those coaches can be provided adequate measures to keep their health risk normal. As to fans attending these games, in January, that may or may not be wise. Of course, all of this assumes that this virus is still a significant threat to us in January and that there are no effective ways of treating it should anyone get sick from it. I agree that we should not understate the health risks to vulnerable people from this coronavirus. But also, we should not overstate the risks and impute to most people the same risk as those in vulnerable population segments. Finally, since our knowledge of this virus and its threats to various people keeps increasing, no irrevocable decisions about anything happening in December or January should be made now.
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Post by ptctitan on Jul 30, 2020 11:01:24 GMT -5
PTC has a point, in fact the Plague only killed the people that ended up dead. Everyone else not dead wasnt killed by it so... I think the various plague epidemics killed 40% of the population during their cycles. SARS-CoV-2 is not causing such a wide swath of death. Certain of us (including me) need to take more precautions than others. My complaint centers on institutions making decisions about events in January based upon our knowledge today.
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Post by calihanmole on Jul 30, 2020 11:27:33 GMT -5
If the players can play these games with no more threat to their lives than the flu, then we should play the games. If some coaches are in a more susceptible group, then the games should still be played if those coaches can be provided adequate measures to keep their health risk normal. As to fans attending these games, in January, that may or may not be wise. Ptc, you really need to accept reality. This thing might not be as bad as the doomsday news channels suggest, but it’s also much worse than you realize. The major problem is your first sentence above, which I think is unfairly risky to the university faculty and staff all of the country trying to make academics work. You seem to be under the impression or mindset that we exist to play sports. I concede that colleges make money off sports and instill loyalty and affinity with alumni, but sports were always auxiliary to the academic mission. We cannot ethically have sports this year. We just can’t. I’ve mentioned numerous times that universities will refuse to take the risk, because it could be the extra strain that topples their local health systems. That’s what this I about. Wake up and stop regurgitating the same stats about how young people probably won’t die. I love college basketball, but at the end of the day it’s a game and not as important as the lives of our neighbors.
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Post by udballer on Jul 30, 2020 12:04:22 GMT -5
sam - it is a fact that for the vast majority of people who test positive for this virus, any effects or symptoms are similar to the common cold. I don't think you need to try to convince anybody that a large % of people who contract the disease recover. Everyone should be well aware of that by now. I assume that by "vast majority", you're referencing the 96-98% of people who don't die from it. That 2-4% is generally where the comparisons to the common cold should stop and be tossed out of the window. I have no issues with people debating need for sports vs risk of spreading the disease, etc. That's a discussion worth having, but Sam is absolutely right when he says that making it out to be some trivial thing "like the common cold" is part of the reason we are where we are today. I have a 42-year-old best friend in the ground and a 34-year-old friend on a lung transplant list at current due to COVID. My bet is that neither scenario would have played out from the flu or the common cold.
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Post by udmperry on Jul 30, 2020 12:06:16 GMT -5
Well put Sam. Shocking about Mr Cain’s sudden demise.
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Post by titantarheel on Jul 30, 2020 12:18:53 GMT -5
sam - it is a fact that for the vast majority of people who test positive for this virus, any effects or symptoms are similar to the common cold. I don't think you need to try to convince anybody that a large % of people who contract the disease recover. Everyone should be well aware of that by now. I assume that by "vast majority", you're referencing the 96-98% of people who don't die from it. That 2-4% is generally where the comparisons to the common cold should stop and be tossed out of the window. I have no issues with people debating need for sports vs risk of spreading the disease, etc. That's a discussion worth having, but Sam is absolutely right when he says that making it out to be some trivial thing "like the common cold" is part of the reason we are where we are today. I have a 42-year-old best friend in the ground and a 34-year-old friend on a lung transplant list at current due to COVID. My bet is that neither scenario would have played out from the flu or the common cold. baller - I'm really sorry to hear about your friends. Prayers to them and to you. Please take care and be well.
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