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Post by calihanmole on Mar 20, 2022 11:48:34 GMT -5
Not much point in investing (institutional dollars or any of us individually) if the school can’t get branding right.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 20, 2022 11:58:59 GMT -5
St. Peter’s is a Jesuit school founded in 1872, good academics but “less selective” in admissions, plays in the shadow of a lot of pro teams and bigger colleges, a member of a lower profile conference, has an enrollment of around 3,500, a very modest endowment (just $37 million), and does not enjoy an especially great basketball tradition (never won an NCAA tournament game before this past week). Very much a peer institution to UDM in many respects, and you can make the case that we even have some advantages in terms of enrollment size, basketball tradition, financial resources, and even academics. It is inspiring to watch the Peacocks’ tournament run and will be informative to see the institutional benefits that accrue from their basketball success.
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Post by uofdfan1983 on Mar 20, 2022 12:00:08 GMT -5
You have every right to post that Mole. I agree that we should have never added "Mercy", and certainly not for Athletics. My personal protest is that I always call us U-D and I always write my checks to the "University of Detroit." Guess what, the checks clear when written that way. Try it sometime, Mole. Or just give more money to ND, which doesn't need it.
Your choice. Luckily, we still live in America.
Go Titans.
And if you think we can't make the Sweet 16, ask those guys at St. Peter's what they think of your answer.
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Post by calihanmole on Mar 20, 2022 14:20:46 GMT -5
Wouldn’t necessarily say ND doesn’t need more money. They do cool stuff like search for cures for rare diseases, defend human rights on the international stage, and provide absolutely life changing education that beaks cycles of poverty for young people and their families.
Trust me, I know a little more about philanthropy than you do.
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Post by uofdfan1983 on Mar 20, 2022 14:41:03 GMT -5
Send me a PM, Mole, I'll share my phone, and we can talk. You might know more about philanthropy than I do, and more about ND than I do, but you strike me as arrogant sometimes on this Board. My only point is that when it comes to my support of higher education, U-D is where I send my money, and I would encourage you to forget about the branding issue for a second and consider doing the same.
As to this part of your argument:
(ND).....provide(s) absolutely life changing education that beaks cycles of poverty for young people and their families.
If ND does that half as well as U-D does on that front, then kudos to ND. Because U-D has been doing that since my Dad went there after WWII and we are currently doing that better than ever before. Tooting my family horn here: my Dad was that poor kid and now the U-D softball field bears my family name, because of him and because of the difference U-D made in his life. I will always try to maintain the legacy he began at his Dear ole' U-D. It's the least I can do.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 20, 2022 14:43:06 GMT -5
Wouldn’t necessarily say ND doesn’t need more money. They do cool stuff like search for cures for rare diseases, defend human rights on the international stage, and provide absolutely life changing education that beaks cycles of poverty for young people and their families. Trust me, I know a little more about philanthropy than you do. A) Notre Dame doesn't need the money. It's just nice to have. Nothing wrong with giving there--everybody has their causes, and many would be hard to justify under any rationale calculation. And one can argue that while Detroit needs the money a lot more than Notre Dame, Notre Dame is still a better return on the investment. (Trust me--I know a bit about philanthropy, too. I'm currently chairman of the board of no fewer than 4 non-profits, and have successfully solicited 8-figure gifts). B) I'm sick of posts explaining why people won't contribute--which were also common on the old board. They're excuses. If you don't want to contribute, don't. But don't sit around trying to argue that people shouldn't contribute. I've contributed--not large amounts, admittedly--and I'm not an alum, and haven't lived in the Detroit area in over 40 years. If you want UD athletics to move forward, you contribute, or if your charitable giving is all taken up, you at least shut up and let others contribute without suggesting there's no point in their giving. |
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 20, 2022 16:42:48 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 20, 2022 18:49:18 GMT -5
Wouldn’t necessarily say ND doesn’t need more money. They do cool stuff like search for cures for rare diseases, defend human rights on the international stage, and provide absolutely life changing education that beaks cycles of poverty for young people and their families. Trust me, I know a little more about philanthropy than you do. A) Notre Dame doesn't need the money. It's just nice to have. Nothing wrong with giving there--everybody has their causes, and many would be hard to justify under any rationale calculation. And one can argue that while Detroit needs the money a lot more than Notre Dame, Notre Dame is still a better return on the investment. (Trust me--I know a bit about philanthropy, too. I'm currently chairman of the board of no fewer than 4 non-profits, and have successfully solicited 8-figure gifts). B) I'm sick of posts explaining why people won't contribute--which were also common on the old board. They're excuses. If you don't want to contribute, don't. But don't sit around trying to argue that people shouldn't contribute. I've contributed--not large amounts, admittedly--and I'm not an alum, and haven't lived in the Detroit area in over 40 years. If you want UD athletics to move forward, you contribute, or if your charitable giving is all taken up, you at least shut up and let others contribute without suggesting there's no point in their giving. It's probably clear to everyone that I HATE the current branding and have hated the official name of the University since the merger. I still include the University in my charitable contributions and I encourage others to do so. The University is more than its name. Having said that, I do think that there are plenty of graduates who don't contribute or contribute less than they might because of the name change. Note: As I write this I am wearing a Vintage brand University of Detroit Titan Territory shirt and my Dad is sitting nearby wearing a Vintage Brand University of Detroit hoodie. We are watching the NCAA tourney. I think the University is missing out on merchandising revenue, too. |
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 20, 2022 19:01:41 GMT -5
You have every right to post that Mole. I agree that we should have never added "Mercy", and certainly not for Athletics. My personal protest is that I always call us U-D and I always write my checks to the "University of Detroit." Guess what, the checks clear when written that way. Try it sometime, Mole. Or just give more money to ND, which doesn't need it. Your choice. Luckily, we still live in America. Go Titans. And if you think we can't make the Sweet 16, ask those guys at St. Peter's what they think of your answer. Might have to try that "University of Detroit" on the check idea. 🤔 |
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 20, 2022 19:19:27 GMT -5
A) Notre Dame doesn't need the money. It's just nice to have. Nothing wrong with giving there--everybody has their causes, and many would be hard to justify under any rationale calculation. And one can argue that while Detroit needs the money a lot more than Notre Dame, Notre Dame is still a better return on the investment. (Trust me--I know a bit about philanthropy, too. I'm currently chairman of the board of no fewer than 4 non-profits, and have successfully solicited 8-figure gifts). B) I'm sick of posts explaining why people won't contribute--which were also common on the old board. They're excuses. If you don't want to contribute, don't. But don't sit around trying to argue that people shouldn't contribute. I've contributed--not large amounts, admittedly--and I'm not an alum, and haven't lived in the Detroit area in over 40 years. If you want UD athletics to move forward, you contribute, or if your charitable giving is all taken up, you at least shut up and let others contribute without suggesting there's no point in their giving. It's probably clear to everyone that I HATE the current branding and have hated the official name of the University since the merger. I still include the University in my charitable contributions and I encourage others to do so. The University is more than its name. Having said that, I do think that there are plenty of graduates who don't contribute or contribute less than they might because of the name change. Note: As I write this I am wearing a Vintage brand University of Detroit Titan Territory shirt and my Dad is sitting nearby wearing a Vintage Brand University of Detroit hoodie. We are watching the NCAA tourney. I think the University is missing out on merchandising revenue, too. Commenting on the reality of the branding, or anything else, is very different from arguing that there's "not much point" for others to support the Titans. If you feel that way, just shut up--or at least don't call yourself a supporter of the team. If you support the team, you don't try to convince others not to support the team. |
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 21, 2022 6:56:55 GMT -5
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Post by calihanmole on Mar 21, 2022 8:58:01 GMT -5
Super interesting. I don’t see St. Peter’s leaving the MAAC. It could end up being better for the conference long term than for St. Peter’s. Heck, their run should make the MAAC respectable enough to where a school like us should look closer at joining (if they’d even have a school so far west). |
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Post by nctitan on Mar 21, 2022 15:43:13 GMT -5
The Peacocks feature one senior, four juniors and a freshman as their top scorers. They were playing at a .500 clip until a nine-game win streak started late February. It'll be interesting to see what the team does next year and even more interesting the year after. Flash-in-the-pan successes don't usually jump conferences.
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Post by titansforever on Mar 22, 2022 13:20:45 GMT -5
The Peacocks feature one senior, four juniors and a freshman as their top scorers. They were playing at a .500 clip until a nine-game win streak started late February. It'll be interesting to see what the team does next year and even more interesting the year after. Flash-in-the-pan successes don't usually jump conferences. I'd be surprised if they can sustain anything consistently. Their coach is almost certainly headed to Seton Hall. Pitino and Iona aren't going anywhere and will still be the MAAC's monster. Sienna has history and won't suck forever. Bryant is supposedly joining the league, and it is good. I dream of the day Canisius fires its coach and takes hoops seriously again. And the MAAC will continue to be a one-bid league. St. Peter's probably goes to the CBI if it doesn't win the MAAC tournament and this story never happens. Fortunately for the country and for them, it did. The Peacocks have been the highlight of the entire tournament. |
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 23, 2022 12:47:32 GMT -5
Not sure how the plan to replace the Calihan Hall court side bleachers with seat back chairs is progressing, if at all. I don’t think the project is specifically mentioned in the Road to a Championship proposal. A couple years ago I heard a comment from Robert Vowels saying that upgrade was in the works and would happen in the relatively near future. Loyola and St. Peter’s arena renovations both included replacing some bleacher seating sections with seat back chairs, it really modernizes the look. I understand that are lot of things on the Calihan Hall “to do list,” perhaps this is down the list of priorities. I would suppose the seating upgrade would be fairly expensive.
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