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Post by JDetroitTitan on Dec 9, 2020 16:51:07 GMT -5
Watch the 1:58 minute to 2:02 and explain what is going on with this rebound and Taurean. Also did Taurean just give himself high five for missing the rebound and not boxing out. I have a feeling Q was giving him the dirtiest look when he was standing there to inbound the ball afterwards
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Post by udballer on Dec 9, 2020 17:02:52 GMT -5
Great post. I listened on the radio and had not seen. That effort was so awful it almost looks intentional. I hope that's not the case but it is unexplainable.
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Post by ptctitan on Dec 9, 2020 17:12:18 GMT -5
Davis postgame comments.
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Post by fan on Dec 9, 2020 17:33:27 GMT -5
The post by "therealcoach" about Coach Davis is very much in the same view as mine. I think this team could be a better team without AD. In his defense, at best it's hard to coach your own kid, I think Ray Sr, and Ray Jr did a creditable job, Sr brought in players that worked well with Jr, and the team became a team. AD doesn't seem like much of a team player, especially at crunch time. Both MSU and ND knew exactly what the team and AD would do as the game was ending, he'd "take over" and launch low percentage bombs, and they let him take those shots, and got the resulting turnovers.
AD is a good ball player, not great, and certainly doesn't look like league player. AD's game seems to be on the slow track not because of AD but the people who have been coaching him. Ray Jr used the HL to get a shot at the league, I don't see AD taking that route.
The real question is if AD could leave and go to any team in the country, where would he go?, Kansas, Texas, or even the ND we just saw, and would he make a difference, or even contribute?
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Post by calihanmole on Dec 9, 2020 17:53:41 GMT -5
AD had an amazing freshman season, and part of the excitement was that he came out of nowhere. I personally used to think he was a sure thing future NBA player, and I remember Rashad Phillips on social media saying AD was a two and done. He had a great sophomore season, and he’s without question a phenomenal HL player. To your question about whether AD could contribute at another school, I’m not so sure he’d light it up at a P6. You ask if he would make a difference at ND. Personally, I don’t think he’d be a starter right now at ND. I don’t think AD is a better all around player than Prentiss Hubb (AD is maybe marginally a better shooter) and he’d probably be in the same lane as Cormac Ryan but not start because Ryan isn’t so trigger happy. ND is the only program I know well enough to comment on.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge AD fan. I’m glad we have him. He’s proud of his school and works his butt off. I don’t know what else we could ask for. But, no, I don’t think he’d be a star P6 player, and I think he’ll end up playing pro in Europe - not the NBA - and then have a nice life in the family business as a coach.
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Post by fan on Dec 9, 2020 20:06:04 GMT -5
I agree with you, he is a real good player and a good addition to the team and school. Perhaps your correct after his first year our expectations were a bit high. He had to carry a marginal team on his back last year, and that's a lot to ask. He does have almost 2 years left, and this COVID messed up year may benefit him with the ability to play against major programs. We'll see, I wish him luck, and hope too much isn't expected from him, remember he is a college basketball player.
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Post by Commissioner on Dec 9, 2020 20:15:34 GMT -5
Great post. I listened on the radio and had not seen. That effort was so awful it almost looks intentional. I hope that's not the case but it is unexplainable. It looks almost like a motor control/neurological problem. Really strange. I hope he can figure out whatever is the problem.
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Post by udballer on Dec 9, 2020 21:25:17 GMT -5
That's a good description. I've been playing and watching basketball a very long time and I've never seen anything like that. Looked like the body wasn't getting signals from the brain. That'd be scary.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Dec 10, 2020 0:07:12 GMT -5
The post by "therealcoach" about Coach Davis is very much in the same view as mine. I think this team could be a better team without AD. In his defense, at best it's hard to coach your own kid, I think Ray Sr, and Ray Jr did a creditable job, Sr brought in players that worked well with Jr, and the team became a team. AD doesn't seem like much of a team player, especially at crunch time. Both MSU and ND knew exactly what the team and AD would do as the game was ending, he'd "take over" and launch low percentage bombs, and they let him take those shots, and got the resulting turnovers. AD is a good ball player, not great, and certainly doesn't look like league player. AD's game seems to be on the slow track not because of AD but the people who have been coaching him. Ray Jr used the HL to get a shot at the league, I don't see AD taking that route. The real question is if AD could leave and go to any team in the country, where would he go?, Kansas, Texas, or even the ND we just saw, and would he make a difference, or even contribute?
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Post by upbasketballfan on Dec 10, 2020 0:22:58 GMT -5
The post by "therealcoach" about Coach Davis is very much in the same view as mine. I think this team could be a better team without AD. In his defense, at best it's hard to coach your own kid, I think Ray Sr, and Ray Jr did a creditable job, Sr brought in players that worked well with Jr, and the team became a team. AD doesn't seem like much of a team player, especially at crunch time. Both MSU and ND knew exactly what the team and AD would do as the game was ending, he'd "take over" and launch low percentage bombs, and they let him take those shots, and got the resulting turnovers. AD is a good ball player, not great, and certainly doesn't look like league player. AD's game seems to be on the slow track not because of AD but the people who have been coaching him. Ray Jr used the HL to get a shot at the league, I don't see AD taking that route. The real question is if AD could leave and go to any team in the country, where would he go?, Kansas, Texas, or even the ND we just saw, and would he make a difference, or even contribute? We are fortunate to have the Davis’s and AD in our program. AD is a very good player and a class act. We are better with him than without him and he always gives max effort. The Kent game was a bad team game against a good team and they wore us down. We got in foul trouble trying to do too much and didn’t have a ready bench to fill in. I will be surprised if David, Johnson,Koul and Fraser all have bad games together again. I think the so called real coach has been on this board a couple of times in the past under some other identities spewing venom and hatred. He will post for awhile and then disappear only to pop up to try and kick someone in the program when they are down. He never post positive after something good happens. He wasn’t around after the State or ND games but here he is trying to get in a kick to the ribs after the Kent Game. We played bad overall as a team but Willie and Rose were bright spots.
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Post by therealcoach on Dec 10, 2020 8:49:58 GMT -5
FYI, I thought Davis was a great hire and good for the program, but lets be honest Ray Charles can see what's going on. Yes I was impressed with the first two games of the season, and thought ok things are looking good. As far as being an old poster on the board..... Good luck this weekend against Western! Go Titans!
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Post by titantarheel on Dec 10, 2020 9:15:53 GMT -5
After a few days since the game...
My apologies to all if I contributed to a negative vibe on the team with my posts during the game. This was the first game I was able to watch, and after the excitement of the MSU and ND close losses I was eager to see what these Titans looked like. I was thusly disappointed to see a product vs Kent State that resembled what we've been accustomed to the past couple seasons. If fatigue and under-rating Kent St are the main reasons for that, than I can accept that. Its early in the season, and its not uncommon for teams to have a dud here or there as everyone is finding their footing.
In the bigger picture...I can't quibble with the analysis of where AD is at in his development. He seems on track to a lengthy European career as his ceiling has seemingly become obvious. He lit up the nets and expectations with an explosive breakout as a frosh, I may say he's somewhat leveled off and hasn't taken mighty steps forward. It doesn't seem he'll leave UD early, nor make the NBA. Not a knock, just an observation of his talent level. As others noted, he seems like a very good young man and he's proud to be a Titan, its indeed good he's one of us.
Coach Davis hasn't been able to surround AD with a talent level that is high enough nor complementary enough to maximize AD's skills. Thus, we see AD still forcing tons of his shots and his shooting percentage is tanking as a result. He's doing too much and forcing stuff, but then again I'm not sure what the alternatives are given what the team has been. That's on Coach for failing with the pieces on the roster and/or with the scheme. Someone suggested we won't rely on grad transfers so much in the future, but so many guys currently playing will be gone next year and we are going to just throw in Pink/Liedel/Legreir and expect them as sophomores to be playing at high levels without getting any meaningful minutes as freshmen? That doesn't seem like a formula to have the 21-22 Titans take a step forward. And if they aren't good enough to play D1 ball as frosh or soph (we have no reason to believe this yet), then he's failing to bring in talented enough players to the program (again, its an unproven theory. time shall tell).
Long story short...Go Titans. Let's up the Kent game was an aberration and that Brandon/Waterman will be the injection that the team needs to continue its upward trajectory based on what it showed vs ND/MSU.
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Post by motorcitysam on Dec 10, 2020 9:50:17 GMT -5
After a few days since the game... My apologies to all if I contributed to a negative vibe on the team with my posts during the game. This was the first game I was able to watch, and after the excitement of the MSU and ND close losses I was eager to see what these Titans looked like. I was thusly disappointed to see a product vs Kent State that resembled what we've been accustomed to the past couple seasons. If fatigue and under-rating Kent St are the main reasons for that, than I can accept that. Its early in the season, and its not uncommon for teams to have a dud here or there as everyone is finding their footing. In the bigger picture...I can't quibble with the analysis of where AD is at in his development. He seems on track to a lengthy European career as his ceiling has seemingly become obvious. He lit up the nets and expectations with an explosive breakout as a frosh, I may say he's somewhat leveled off and hasn't taken mighty steps forward. It doesn't seem he'll leave UD early, nor make the NBA. Not a knock, just an observation of his talent level. As others noted, he seems like a very good young man and he's proud to be a Titan, its indeed good he's one of us. Coach Davis hasn't been able to surround AD with a talent level that is high enough nor complementary enough to maximize AD's skills. Thus, we see AD still forcing tons of his shots and his shooting percentage is tanking as a result. He's doing too much and forcing stuff, but then again I'm not sure what the alternatives are given what the team has been. That's on Coach for failing with the pieces on the roster and/or with the scheme. Someone suggested we won't rely on grad transfers so much in the future, but so many guys currently playing will be gone next year and we are going to just throw in Pink/Liedel/Legreir and expect them as sophomores to be playing at high levels without getting any meaningful minutes as freshmen? That doesn't seem like a formula to have the 21-22 Titans take a step forward. And if they aren't good enough to play D1 ball as frosh or soph (we have no reason to believe this yet), then he's failing to bring in talented enough players to the program (again, its an unproven theory. time shall tell). Long story short...Go Titans. Let's up the Kent game was an aberration and that Brandon/Waterman will be the injection that the team needs to continue its upward trajectory based on what it showed vs ND/MSU. No need to apologize, TTH. We were all disappointed. Your comments were actually pretty tame. Hopefully the Kent State game is an outlier and we're more like the team that battled with MSU and ND. You make several good points in your post above. I think we'll be looking at grad transfers as a part of the recruiting plan for next year, unless The ones we have now decide to stay for the extra year of eligibility. The NCAA is supposedly deciding on December 16 whether or not to grant all players waiting on waivers immediate eligibility. The feeling is that the vote will be "yes", so we should have Waterman at that point, unless we get him sooner. Fingers crossed.
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Post by ptctitan on Dec 10, 2020 10:03:00 GMT -5
After a few days since the game... My apologies to all if I contributed to a negative vibe on the team with my posts during the game. This was the first game I was able to watch, and after the excitement of the MSU and ND close losses I was eager to see what these Titans looked like. I was thusly disappointed to see a product vs Kent State that resembled what we've been accustomed to the past couple seasons. If fatigue and under-rating Kent St are the main reasons for that, than I can accept that. Its early in the season, and its not uncommon for teams to have a dud here or there as everyone is finding their footing. In the bigger picture...I can't quibble with the analysis of where AD is at in his development. He seems on track to a lengthy European career as his ceiling has seemingly become obvious. He lit up the nets and expectations with an explosive breakout as a frosh, I may say he's somewhat leveled off and hasn't taken mighty steps forward. It doesn't seem he'll leave UD early, nor make the NBA. Not a knock, just an observation of his talent level. As others noted, he seems like a very good young man and he's proud to be a Titan, its indeed good he's one of us. Coach Davis hasn't been able to surround AD with a talent level that is high enough nor complementary enough to maximize AD's skills. Thus, we see AD still forcing tons of his shots and his shooting percentage is tanking as a result. He's doing too much and forcing stuff, but then again I'm not sure what the alternatives are given what the team has been. That's on Coach for failing with the pieces on the roster and/or with the scheme. Someone suggested we won't rely on grad transfers so much in the future, but so many guys currently playing will be gone next year and we are going to just throw in Pink/Liedel/Legreir and expect them as sophomores to be playing at high levels without getting any meaningful minutes as freshmen? That doesn't seem like a formula to have the 21-22 Titans take a step forward. And if they aren't good enough to play D1 ball as frosh or soph (we have no reason to believe this yet), then he's failing to bring in talented enough players to the program (again, its an unproven theory. time shall tell). Long story short...Go Titans. Let's up the Kent game was an aberration and that Brandon/Waterman will be the injection that the team needs to continue its upward trajectory based on what it showed vs ND/MSU. We played 3 games in 5 days (Dec. 4, 6, and 8). We played pretty well in the first two games. We did not play well in the 3rd game. We are not playing with the rotation that we imagined back in September. Brandon got hurt. Thompson regressed. Waterman didn't get a timely eligibility waiver. And, Antoine has again started the season with poor shooting. In the first two games, we showed good team chemistry and relentless effort for most of those games. Neither of those intangibles showed up Tuesday night. That happens. It happened to Vitale's great teams. It happened to the great Perry W teams of 20-25 years ago. It happened to the very good Ray teams of 8-10 years ago. Sometimes talent alone can overcome fatigue - but that's unlikely against other good teams that are rested. If Antoine had shot 3-pointers well at MSU or at ND, we may have won one or both of those games. But there were more good things than bad in both of those games. So, like others in the posts above mine, I hope the better Titans team shows up Saturday at WMU. I think it will show up. And I think that an even better team will show up on the 19th-20th at Calihan for our two game series vs Wright State.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Dec 10, 2020 10:08:39 GMT -5
FYI, I thought Davis was a great hire and good for the program, but lets be honest Ray Charles can see what's going on. Yes I was impressed with the first two games of the season, and thought ok things are looking good. As far as being an old poster on the board..... Good luck this weekend against Western! Go Titans!
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