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Post by udshawn on Mar 21, 2024 7:55:02 GMT -5
Saddi is one of the finalists for job. So is Mann per Tony Paul.
Although I love Niz, I think Saddi will get the job and rightfully so. He can flat out recruit. He's young. Knows the HL. Will hopefully bring some of the UM kids/recruits, etc.
Hopefully, he picks up Niz as an assistant.
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 21, 2024 7:59:13 GMT -5
Saddi is one of the finalists for job. So is Mann per Tony Paul. Although I love Niz, I think Saddi will get the job and rightfully so. He can flat out recruit. He's young. Knows the HL. Will hopefully bring some of the UM kids/recruits, etc. Hopefully, he picks up Niz as an assistant. As between the two of them, I'd rather go with Saddi. Tony Paul's tweet also said that many of the finalists are still coaching. The coach9ng carousel rumor outside the Tony Paul bubble is that the Grambling coach to UDM has been a done deal since early March, and this search process is cover for that decision. I'm not so sure about that rumor, but it is interesting nonetheless. If it is Saddi, I hope this Beilein hire is better than the last one.  |
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Post by Titan Jim on Mar 21, 2024 9:12:48 GMT -5
I like Saddi…a lot. I just hope that we would be able to keep him. He seems to be an up and comer.
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Post by lurker on Mar 21, 2024 9:30:05 GMT -5
Bring me a norseman I want a damn viking to be our next coach someone that can shake up the hall and recruit like minded studs but since I dont think vowels is capable of hiring a vike than the granbling coach will be low key fire
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Post by JDetroitTitan on Mar 21, 2024 15:39:25 GMT -5
Last time we go a UM assistant coach just set us back. So looking at Saddi long career as an assistant coach I am scratching my head why he has never gotten an opportunity to move up? Or if he has and turned it down why now and why this job? Doesn't seem to sit well with me as a gut reaction. Never the less his resume doesn't look bad.
Mannn appears to have a decent record in conference. Somewhat competitive but he isn't lighting the D2 world on fire. If we are going for a D2 coach I think we could do better. Look at Andy Bronkema. He build that program and he is having another good season. Thats a D2 type of coach we should be going to get.
Both don't impress me a lot at this point. I would say if this is the best we can attracted then we should of kept MD. If you don't like that pay Andy Bronkema what it cost to move to the south.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 21, 2024 16:08:44 GMT -5
Saddi is one of the finalists for job. So is Mann per Tony Paul. Although I love Niz, I think Saddi will get the job and rightfully so. He can flat out recruit. He's young. Knows the HL. Will hopefully bring some of the UM kids/recruits, etc. Hopefully, he picks up Niz as an assistant. As between the two of them, I'd rather go with Saddi. Tony Paul's tweet also said that many of the finalists are still coaching. The coach9ng carousel rumor outside the Tony Paul bubble is that the Grambling coach to UDM has been a done deal since early March, and this search process is cover for that decision. I'm not so sure about that rumor, but it is interesting nonetheless. If it is Saddi, I hope this Beilein hire is better than the last one. I am in no position to evaluate candidates beyond a first cut--I don't know them, I'm not interviewing them or contacting their references. But I'll crow beacuse I did mention the Grambling coach quite some time ago as a guy who seems like a fit and could be successful at UD. So I'd get some short term personal satisfaction if this rumor were true, and long term satisfaction if he works out. Saadi would seem like an solid hire. I tend to agree with JDetroit Titan that Bronkema immpresses me more than Cornell Mann just on D-2 results, but Mann in some ways seems a more natural fit for UD and in any case, I wonder if we didn't burn our bridges with Bronkema last time. I think there are other good candidates who have probably gotten some consideration, such as Jordan Fee, who per i-net rumors is a candidate at IUPUI. I think we've got several good options--the final call is always tough, and unless you're willing to hire a Pitino as Iona did a couple years ago, there's always a crap shoot element. Shawn suggests that Saadi (or whomever) pick up Niz as an assistant, and I like that idea. |
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 21, 2024 21:45:04 GMT -5
As between the two of them, I'd rather go with Saddi. Tony Paul's tweet also said that many of the finalists are still coaching. The coach9ng carousel rumor outside the Tony Paul bubble is that the Grambling coach to UDM has been a done deal since early March, and this search process is cover for that decision. I'm not so sure about that rumor, but it is interesting nonetheless. If it is Saddi, I hope this Beilein hire is better than the last one. I am in no position to evaluate candidates beyond a first cut--I don't know them, I'm not interviewing them or contacting their references. But I'll crow beacuse I did mention the Grambling coach quite some time ago as a guy who seems like a fit and could be successful at UD. So I'd get some short term personal satisfaction if this rumor were true, and long term satisfaction if he works out. Saadi would seem like an solid hire. I tend to agree with JDetroit Titan that Bronkema immpresses me more than Cornell Mann just on D-2 results, but Mann in some ways seems a more natural fit for UD and in any case, I wonder if we didn't burn our bridges with Bronkema last time. I think there are other good candidates who have probably gotten some consideration, such as Jordan Fee, who per i-net rumors is a candidate at IUPUI. I think we've got several good options--the final call is always tough, and unless you're willing to hire a Pitino as Iona did a couple years ago, there's always a crap shoot element. Shawn suggests that Saadi (or whomever) pick up Niz as an assistant, and I like that idea. Take a look at Manns Facebook site. He is on there quoting scripture, looks like he can’t figure out if he is a basketball coach or a Minister! GVSU should be the easiest job in the GLIAC beautiful 1400 acre campus with a ton of campus life. He isn’t able to be dominant there how is he going to be better here? I would like to see Washington, Niz or Fee! We need a coach, recruiter and a promoter! With Vowels SWAC background he could be getting ready to give us another second dose of his program. The guy at Grambling at least has a slight Midwest tie as he is originally from Milwaukee, but looks to have 0 connections in Michigan and Ohio! |
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 21, 2024 22:51:24 GMT -5
I am in no position to evaluate candidates beyond a first cut--I don't know them, I'm not interviewing them or contacting their references. But I'll crow beacuse I did mention the Grambling coach quite some time ago as a guy who seems like a fit and could be successful at UD. So I'd get some short term personal satisfaction if this rumor were true, and long term satisfaction if he works out. Saadi would seem like an solid hire. I tend to agree with JDetroit Titan that Bronkema immpresses me more than Cornell Mann just on D-2 results, but Mann in some ways seems a more natural fit for UD and in any case, I wonder if we didn't burn our bridges with Bronkema last time. I think there are other good candidates who have probably gotten some consideration, such as Jordan Fee, who per i-net rumors is a candidate at IUPUI. I think we've got several good options--the final call is always tough, and unless you're willing to hire a Pitino as Iona did a couple years ago, there's always a crap shoot element. Shawn suggests that Saadi (or whomever) pick up Niz as an assistant, and I like that idea. Take a look at Manns Facebook site. He is on there quoting scripture, looks like he can’t figure out if he is a basketball coach or a Minister! GVSU should be the easiest job in the GLIAC beautiful 1400 acre campus with a ton of campus life. He isn’t able to be dominant there how is he going to be better here? I would like to see Washington, Niz or Fee! We need a coach, recruiter and a promoter! With Vowels SWAC background he could be getting ready to give us another second dose of his program. The guy at Grambling at least has a slight Midwest tie as he is originally from Milwaukee, but looks to have 0 connections in Michigan and Ohio! The guy from Grambling coached for 11 years at Central State in Ohio, after playing his college ball at UW-Milwaukee and Central State. If he can recruit to Grambling--where he arrived with no obvious connections to the region--he can recruit in Michigan and Ohio. |
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 22, 2024 3:01:28 GMT -5
Take a look at Manns Facebook site. He is on there quoting scripture, looks like he can’t figure out if he is a basketball coach or a Minister! GVSU should be the easiest job in the GLIAC beautiful 1400 acre campus with a ton of campus life. He isn’t able to be dominant there how is he going to be better here? I would like to see Washington, Niz or Fee! We need a coach, recruiter and a promoter! With Vowels SWAC background he could be getting ready to give us another second dose of his program. The guy at Grambling at least has a slight Midwest tie as he is originally from Milwaukee, but looks to have 0 connections in Michigan and Ohio! The guy from Grambling coached for 11 years at Central State in Ohio, after playing his college ball at UW-Milwaukee and Central State. If he can recruit to Grambling--where he arrived with no obvious connections to the region--he can recruit in Michigan and Ohio. So he hasn’t but he can! I think you are wrong and we no longer have the luxury to be wrong. We had a nice guy from the SWAC who had a more dominant program there in a metro area and how did that work out for us? So now a younger less experienced and less connected version of the same will work. We should have just kept Mike Davis Jr. Vowels can not and should not be making this decision and no matter how it is masked, he still has his hands all over this! |
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 22, 2024 5:10:44 GMT -5
Grambling has 5 players with Milwaukee connections on its roster including one transfer from UWM. None from Ohio. None from Michigan for those advocating for a return to local roots. As I said, this is a coaching carousel rumor. It could have been started by someone who read Commissioner's original posts here. It is not a Tony Paul generated rumor. It may have more to do with Vowels' past connections to the SWAC and the SIAC. Jackson coached in both conferences - Stillman in the SIAC.
Like upbasketballfan, Mann does not impress me.
Of all the possible candidates mentioned publicly, I would note that when Mark Montgomery was our assistant for the second half of the 2020-21 season, our team had its longest winning streak and best record since the great teams of the McCallum era. And after he left to return to MSU, we regressed. Coincidence? But his tenure as head coach at NIU was filled with occasional success.
Niz will face an uphill battle because he does not have a track record outside of D2 JUCO.
DeAndre Haynes was an assistant with Saddi Washington at Michigan under Beilein. As a player from Detroit Southwestern, he chose Kent State instead of us when Perry was our coach. He's never worked lower than the MAC.
Saddi Washington had a long tenure at Oakland that would create an interesting HL dynamic here. There, he overlapped one year with Drew Valentine, Loyola's head coach. He more or less replaced Bacari at Michigan under Beilein. And Haynes replaced Jordan when both assistants were hired as head coaches about 8 years ago.
Question: has anyone from Beilein's staff during those great years at UM translated into a great head coach? Bacari did not. Jordan made Milwaukee a tournament Cinderella with a bad overall record. He could not sustain at Butler after Holtmann's recruits used up their eligibility. He's now in TV at Fox Sports.
Personally, I would have preferred an out of the box hire here like a successful D2 coach who had turned around a small school's program and had success against top D2 teams. That type of thinking worked at Montana State, Indiana State, and even at Milwaukee. If Tony Paul has real inside information leaked to him, then it just seems that we are falling back upon the usual suspects approach coupled with the myth that a local coach is the only one who can establish local ties with schools and AAU teams in the city, metro area, State and region. IMO, we needed young, fresh thinking here and new blood injected into the program. But like all of us here who want to win, we are just people with opinions.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 22, 2024 7:12:32 GMT -5
The guy from Grambling coached for 11 years at Central State in Ohio, after playing his college ball at UW-Milwaukee and Central State. If he can recruit to Grambling--where he arrived with no obvious connections to the region--he can recruit in Michigan and Ohio. So he hasn’t but he can! I think you are wrong and we no longer have the luxury to be wrong. We had a nice guy from the SWAC who had a more dominant program there in a metro area and how did that work out for us? So now a younger less experienced and less connected version of the same will work. We should have just kept Mike Davis Jr. Vowels can not and should not be making this decision and no matter how it is masked, he still has his hands all over this! Yet you're thrilled with Niz, who has never recruited at a D1 level (though you're sure he can), never coached at a D1 level (though you're sure he can), etc. My post was simple--you said that Jackson had "0 connections in Michigan and Ohio," and I just wanted to point out that a) I don't think you know that at all, and b) he spent the majority of his coaching career in Ohio. Now you want to change your argument. Fine, but Your facile comparison of Donte Jackson to Mike Davis just seems to me kinda stupid. But I guess it does solve the question: We just offer the job to Marlon Williamson, sight unseen, since he's an assistant at Rutgers and the last time we hired an assistant at Rutgers he re-vitalized the program. There we go, we're done. As I said, beyond thinking of the kind of choice I prefer, I am in no position to judge finalist candidates. I'm generally very pleased with the names that have surfaced--it seems to me a pretty promising pool. There are some I'd be happier with than others. If we were to offer the job to someone like Steve Hawkins I'd be pretty bummed. |
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 22, 2024 7:55:36 GMT -5
So he hasn’t but he can! I think you are wrong and we no longer have the luxury to be wrong. We had a nice guy from the SWAC who had a more dominant program there in a metro area and how did that work out for us? So now a younger less experienced and less connected version of the same will work. We should have just kept Mike Davis Jr. Vowels can not and should not be making this decision and no matter how it is masked, he still has his hands all over this! Yet you're thrilled with Niz, who has never recruited at a D1 level (though you're sure he can), never coached at a D1 level (though you're sure he can), etc. My post was simple--you said that Jackson had "0 connections in Michigan and Ohio," and I just wanted to point out that a) I don't think you know that at all, and b) he spent the majority of his coaching career in Ohio. Now you want to change your argument. Fine, but Your facile comparison of Donte Jackson to Mike Davis just seems to me kinda stupid. But I guess it does solve the question: We just offer the job to Marlon Williamson, sight unseen, since he's an assistant at Rutgers and the last time we hired an assistant at Rutgers he re-vitalized the program. There we go, we're done. As I said, beyond thinking of the kind of choice I prefer, I am in no position to judge finalist candidates. I'm generally very pleased with the names that have surfaced--it seems to me a pretty promising pool. There are some I'd be happier with than others. If we were to offer the job to someone like Steve Hawkins I'd be pretty bummed. The only good I can see in Jackson is that his game today starts here around 6:20 so by 7 CST Vowels will have his guy! Game should be over at the half but it will probably take 10-12 days to announce! |
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 22, 2024 8:57:56 GMT -5
Yet you're thrilled with Niz, who has never recruited at a D1 level (though you're sure he can), never coached at a D1 level (though you're sure he can), etc. My post was simple--you said that Jackson had "0 connections in Michigan and Ohio," and I just wanted to point out that a) I don't think you know that at all, and b) he spent the majority of his coaching career in Ohio. Now you want to change your argument. Fine, but Your facile comparison of Donte Jackson to Mike Davis just seems to me kinda stupid. But I guess it does solve the question: We just offer the job to Marlon Williamson, sight unseen, since he's an assistant at Rutgers and the last time we hired an assistant at Rutgers he re-vitalized the program. There we go, we're done. As I said, beyond thinking of the kind of choice I prefer, I am in no position to judge finalist candidates. I'm generally very pleased with the names that have surfaced--it seems to me a pretty promising pool. There are some I'd be happier with than others. If we were to offer the job to someone like Steve Hawkins I'd be pretty bummed. The only good I can see in Jackson is that his game today starts here around 6:20 so by 7 CST Vowels will have his guy! Game should be over at the half but it will probably take 10-12 days to announce! I am curious why you are so anti-Jackson (and my previous question, why so anti-Bronkema?). I'm not saying either should be the choice, because I don't know. But both strike me as the type of person I'd generally prefer, and from some of your posts, the type you seem to prefer (young, energetic, have turned sleepy programs into local powers, successful track record at lower levels than UD). |
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 22, 2024 20:03:25 GMT -5
The only good I can see in Jackson is that his game today starts here around 6:20 so by 7 CST Vowels will have his guy! Game should be over at the half but it will probably take 10-12 days to announce! I am curious why you are so anti-Jackson (and my previous question, why so anti-Bronkema?). I'm not saying either should be the choice, because I don't know. But both strike me as the type of person I'd generally prefer, and from some of your posts, the type you seem to prefer (young, energetic, have turned sleepy programs into local powers, successful track record at lower levels than UD). Last season there were two coaches in the Horizon League with prior ties to the SWAC and they were the bottom two teams in the league. Jackson seems to be a very good coach but not a dynamic promoter. I think we need a promoter more than we need an X’s and O’s Coach. The same goes for Bronkema. Bronkema from what I can see is a pretty passive calm individual. Bronkema did not turn a sleepy program around. Farris has been a consistently good program for a long time. Bronkema was an assistant to Sell who left a successful Ferris program to take over at Northern and Bronkema was moved up to the 1st chair. Bronkema has made Ferris better but he did not start with an empty cupboard the cupboard was pretty well stocked and had some momentum. At this point( halftime) I am wrong about Grambling they are still in it I thought at this point they would be down 20-25+. |
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Post by rc on Mar 23, 2024 18:20:01 GMT -5
I like Pat Donnelly of U of D Jesuit as an out-of-box coaching idea. He was a head coach at D3 Elmira college, has an outstanding reputation as a coach, recruiter, and administrator, and he knows Detroit. I’m not sure if he wants us or to be a college coach at this stage of his life (late 50s I believe).
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