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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 17:17:22 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 5, 2019 17:21:21 GMT -5
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Post by ptctitan on Aug 6, 2019 7:50:50 GMT -5
I'm glad that PFW decided to eliminate the "I" from its name. Otherwise, we'd have the HL rivalry game of OOO-EEE-POOH-EEEE vs Eye Pi FFFf You. Gesundheit!!!
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Post by upbasketballfan on Aug 6, 2019 8:22:51 GMT -5
To stay in the Horizon is a mistake. It was a bad decision years ago and it remains a bad decision going forward. I think Indianapolis U. is probably next. I wonder if LaCrone is working on resurrecting St. Joseph's College so he could work on them next.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Aug 6, 2019 9:38:45 GMT -5
Detroit Mercy’s situation relative to the Horizon League reminds me of a 1944 play by French existentialist Jean-Paul Sartre, “Huis Clos.”
The play begins with characters who find themselves waiting in a mysterious room. It is a depiction of the afterlife in which the deceased characters are punished by being locked into this space together for eternity. It is the source of Sartre's especially famous quotation "L'enfer, c'est les autres" or "Hell is other people,” a reference to Sartre's ideas about the perpetual ontological struggle of being forced to see oneself as an object from the view of another consciousness.
I think in a moment of prescient insight, Sartre was using the play’s characters as metaphors for all the current teams in the Horizon League, each hating the others and feeling they belong somewhere better then this hellish existence, like perhaps the A-10 or Missouri Valley. By the way, the play’s title translated in English is “No Exit.”
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 9:50:25 GMT -5
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Post by titantarheel on Aug 6, 2019 9:54:10 GMT -5
In the last 6 years, PurdFortWayne's RPIs are (from 2018-19 season going backwards): 219, 205, 178, 71, 215, 118. That beats out the majority of HL teams.
And really, who can summon a healthy level of anger at the state of the HL at this point? Rogo's analysis is insightful, poignant, sad and...fair.
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 6, 2019 9:59:30 GMT -5
Detroit Mercy’s situation relative to the Horizon League reminds me of the 1944 play by existentialist French Jean-Paul Sartre, “Huis Clos.” The play begins with characters who find themselves waiting in a mysterious room. It is a depiction of the afterlife in which the deceased characters are punished by being locked into this space together for eternity. It is the source of Sartre's especially famous quotation "L'enfer, c'est les autres" or "Hell is other people,” a reference to Sartre's ideas about the perpetual ontological struggle of being caused to see oneself as an object from the view of another consciousness. I think in a moment of prescient insight, Sartre was using the play’s characters as metaphors for all the current teams in the Horizon League, each hating the others and feeling they belong somewhere better then this hellish existence, like perhaps the A-10 or Missouri Valley. By the way, the play’s title translated in English is “No Exit.” A genius post.
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Post by Commissioner on Aug 6, 2019 11:04:40 GMT -5
In the last 6 years, PurdFortWayne's RPIs are (from 2018-19 season going backwards): 219, 205, 178, 71, 215, 118. That beats out the majority of HL teams. And really, who can summon a healthy level of anger at the state of the HL at this point? Rogo's analysis is insightful, poignant, sad and...fair. Fort Wayne last year finished 18-15 (including 3 wins over non-D1 teams), 3rd in the Summit at 9-7. Their best wins were home victories over South Dakota State (NET 104) and Akron (Net 114). They were 0-9 against other teams in the top 200 NET. Their worst game was a 29 point loss at Western Illinois (NET 303). They played two Horizon teams, beating IUPUI by 10 at home and CSU by 3 on the road. From that team they lose their all-everything player, Jon Konchar, one of the very best mid-major players in the country the last few years (19.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 5.4 apg, 38.5% 3Pt), and their #2 scorer, Kason Harrell (15.2 ppg). But they return everyone else, including 6-11 junior Michigander Dylan Carl, who chose them over an offer from us and averaged 6.5 points and 5 rebounds last year. There's enough there to be competitive despite the loss of Konchar and Harrell, but I'd probably place them in the second division in any pre-season analysis.
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Post by calihanmole on Aug 6, 2019 11:24:15 GMT -5
In the last 6 years, PurdFortWayne's RPIs are (from 2018-19 season going backwards): 219, 205, 178, 71, 215, 118. That beats out the majority of HL teams. And really, who can summon a healthy level of anger at the state of the HL at this point? Rogo's analysis is insightful, poignant, sad and...fair. Fort Wayne last year finished 18-15 (including 3 wins over non-D1 teams), 3rd in the Summit at 9-7. Their best wins were home victories over South Dakota State (NET 104) and Akron (Net 114). They were 0-9 against other teams in the top 200 NET. Their worst game was a 29 point loss at Western Illinois (NET 303). They played two Horizon teams, beating IUPUI by 10 at home and CSU by 3 on the road. From that team they lose their all-everything player, Jon Konchar, one of the very best mid-major players in the country the last few years (19.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 5.4 apg, 38.5% 3Pt), and their #2 scorer, Kason Harrell (15.2 ppg). But they return everyone else, including 6-11 junior Michigander Dylan Carl, who chose them over an offer from us and averaged 6.5 points and 5 rebounds last year. There's enough there to be competitive despite the loss of Konchar and Harrell, but I'd probably place them in the second division in any pre-season analysis. Just to be clear, they don’t officially join HL for another 11 months. I think being in HL will at least help them with recruiting a little so I wouldn’t be surprised if they get better talent sooner than later.
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 6, 2019 11:29:05 GMT -5
In the last 6 years, PurdFortWayne's RPIs are (from 2018-19 season going backwards): 219, 205, 178, 71, 215, 118. That beats out the majority of HL teams. And really, who can summon a healthy level of anger at the state of the HL at this point? Rogo's analysis is insightful, poignant, sad and...fair. "When Moses was in Egypt Land, let my people go..." Crazy to think that we were in a conference with Xavier, St. Louis, Marquette, Dayton, etc. Also crazy that there were members of the Detroit media who derided the conference as a "glorified church league". The reasons for the downfall have been listed here previously, but it is still sad. Hate to beat a dead horse on a different topic, but I don't think changing the name to the generic "Horizon League" did anything to help, and probably hurt. Here's how I see it: The HL is what it is and I think we are here for the foreseeable future. As you said, doesn't help to get mad about it. It's not a strong conference, but it has the advantage of making geographic sense. True, there isn't the opportunity for a lot of attention grabbing wins in the conference season, but the winner of the conference tournament still goes to the NCAA tourney, and the winner of the regular season crown gets an NIT bid. It's a conference that we can compete in, even with the challenges our program faces. Might as well make the best of it for now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 11:47:02 GMT -5
In the last 6 years, PurdFortWayne's RPIs are (from 2018-19 season going backwards): 219, 205, 178, 71, 215, 118. That beats out the majority of HL teams. And really, who can summon a healthy level of anger at the state of the HL at this point? Rogo's analysis is insightful, poignant, sad and...fair. "When Moses was in Egypt Land, let my people go..." Crazy to think that we were in a conference with Xavier, St. Louis, Marquette, Dayton, etc. Also crazy that there were members of the Detroit media who derided the conference as a "glorified church league". The reasons for the downfall have been listed here previously, but it is still sad. Hate to beat a dead horse on a different topic, but I don't think changing the name to the generic "Horizon League" did anything to help, and probably hurt. Here's how I see it: The HL is what it is and I think we are here for the foreseeable future. As you said, doesn't help to get mad about it. It's not a strong conference, but it has the advantage of making geographic sense. True, there isn't the opportunity for a lot of attention grabbing wins in the conference season, but the winner of the conference tournament still goes to the NCAA tourney, and the winner of the regular season crown gets an NIT bid. It's a conference that we can compete in, even with the challenges our program faces. Might as well make the best of it for now. Well said. Now let's get ourselves eligible and win the Conference title on a consistent basis!
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