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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 4, 2022 10:02:39 GMT -5
I was not offended by the comment because I understood the context. The experience is absolutely horrid like everyone is gone on the weekend. The school does little to nothing in terms of programming or events. They don't do anything to get students to games. If I got to go to stuff at Penn State id be upset too. I get that it was offensive to some of you but he's not the person he's made out to be by that comment. To be honest, we have never been close friends, but when you have class and work on projects together you learn who is really a good teammate. Also for the record, unless you have a business, PA, nursing, engineering, dental, or law degree from UDM everyone under 40 does not have the best opinion of UDM unless you went there or know people who did. The people who have been like " U of D is a good school" are over 40 but really over 50. I've had young people in my field tell me going to UDM was a huge waste of time and money, Despite having a top 10 school counseling program in the Midwest (what I am currently at UDM for) Just I guess my rebuttal and 2 cents. Two players were misled and really hurt our program and they deserve all the criticism. So, now UDM is not only not a "real" school, it's not even a "good" school? Then I have to ask: Why did you pick UDM? More importantly, why are you still there? Once you were in undergrad and realized you that you were at a school that was neither "real" nor "good" why didn't you transfer? It's not the Army; you can leave at any time. I'm genuinely curious about that. I'm sure things are different for students now than when I was a student thirty plus years ago. Apparently one thing that is different is that we were actually able to find/create things to do on and off campus, rather than sit around complaining that no one was telling us how to have a good time. We knew we weren't at MSU or U of M, but somehow we managed to have a good time and enjoy ourselves. Was that part of Ack's issue with his suspensions? "Hey, there's nothing to do on campus. Might as well get high, even if it will get me in trouble." And getting beyond that comment, was the belief that he wasn't at a "real" school the reason for his crap play, lack of effort, and inability to follow rules? The guy went out of his way to publicly disrespect the University that gave him a chance to continue his basketball career and paid for his education. If you think that's a sign of a good teammate, we have different definitions of the term, just as we apparently have different definitions of what constitutes a "real" or "good" school.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 4, 2022 10:34:11 GMT -5
Kirky wrote “unless you have a business, PA, nursing, engineering, dental, or law degree from UDM everyone under 40 does not have the best opinion of UDM unless you went there or know people who did.” Well, I would guess that those programs he listed cover 80%+ of the students presently enrolled at Detroit Mercy. Architecture also has a good reputation from what I hear. Relative to the liberal arts programs, I often hired UDM grads from the legal administration and political science programs when I was HR director for the U.S. Attorney’s Office and they were top notch. The theatre program is small but some of their grads have gone on to do big things.
No, it’s not Harvard but it has been and still is a good school with strong academics and students get a lot of personal attention they would perhaps not receive at a larger school. The place is far from perfect, but there are lots of opportunities for alumni to help it become a better place in the years to come. To the extent that there has been a diminishment in the general reputation of the University relative to the past, I think a lot of that is a branding issue. Something for a different thread.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 4, 2022 11:03:45 GMT -5
I was not offended by the comment because I understood the context. The experience is absolutely horrid like everyone is gone on the weekend. The school does little to nothing in terms of programming or events. They don't do anything to get students to games. If I got to go to stuff at Penn State id be upset too. I get that it was offensive to some of you but he's not the person he's made out to be by that comment. To be honest, we have never been close friends, but when you have class and work on projects together you learn who is really a good teammate. Also for the record, unless you have a business, PA, nursing, engineering, dental, or law degree from UDM everyone under 40 does not have the best opinion of UDM unless you went there or know people who did. The people who have been like " U of D is a good school" are over 40 but really over 50. I've had young people in my field tell me going to UDM was a huge waste of time and money, Despite having a top 10 school counseling program in the Midwest (what I am currently at UDM for) Just I guess my rebuttal and 2 cents. Two players were misled and really hurt our program and they deserve all the criticism. So, now UDM is not only not a "real" school, it's not even a "good" school? Then I have to ask: Why did you pick UDM? More importantly, why are you still there? Once you were in undergrad and realized you that you were at a school that was neither "real" nor "good" why didn't you transfer? It's not the Army; you can leave at any time. I'm genuinely curious about that. I'm sure things are different for students now than when I was a student thirty plus years ago. Apparently one thing that is different is that we were actually able to find/create things to do on and off campus, rather than sit around complaining that no one was telling us how to have a good time. We knew we weren't at MSU or U of M, but somehow we managed to have a good time and enjoy ourselves. Was that part of Ack's issue with his suspensions? "Hey, there's nothing to do on campus. Might as well get high, even if it will get me in trouble." And getting beyond that comment, was the belief that he wasn't at a "real" school the reason for his crap play, lack of effort, and inability to follow rules? The guy went out of his way to publicly disrespect the University that gave him a chance to continue his basketball career and paid for his education. If you think that's a sign of a good teammate, we have different definitions of the term, just as we apparently have different definitions of what constitutes a "real" or "good" school. I believe you get out of the University what you put in. I do not think the U is an entertainment agency. Students need to take the initiative. Set up parties and functions. There should be a group of engaged students trying to get students to the games and to participate. True a majority get into there vehicles and leave campus after their classes are finished. I feel part of this is the way our society has evolved. Kids today are not out looking for a great snowbank to tunnel into and build hideouts and forts. Now they are looking for someone to build it for them and probably wouldn’t go into the tunnels unless they were heated and had computers in them. How many today could survive if we lost our electricity and fuel sources. How many out there have been taught true survival skills. When we were younger there were always multiple great parties right off campus. Going to games to support your school and fellow students was not only an act of pride but a true event. The U didn’t set it up we did. We taught our children how to survive and fare for themselves. We taught them how to plant and butcher.I have watched my children trying to do everything for my grandchildren and I hate it. Maybe what I see is just a part of getting old. Are we evolving for the better or is this regression?
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Post by nctitan on Mar 4, 2022 11:30:27 GMT -5
Also for the record, unless you have a business, PA, nursing, engineering, dental, or law degree from UDM everyone under 40 does not have the best opinion of UDM unless you went there or know people who did. Detroit Mercy has seven colleges/schools. Kirky, you just identified five of them as having proud graduates, and you missed Architecture, which also is highly regarded. The seventh, Liberal Arts, is a foundational college that provides much of the core curriculum classes that complement all of the professional schools. And its the pre-law, cybersecurity, counseling and addiction and leadership programs are all well-regarded.
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Post by kirky313 on Mar 4, 2022 12:27:54 GMT -5
I was not offended by the comment because I understood the context. The experience is absolutely horrid like everyone is gone on the weekend. The school does little to nothing in terms of programming or events. They don't do anything to get students to games. If I got to go to stuff at Penn State id be upset too. I get that it was offensive to some of you but he's not the person he's made out to be by that comment. To be honest, we have never been close friends, but when you have class and work on projects together you learn who is really a good teammate. Also for the record, unless you have a business, PA, nursing, engineering, dental, or law degree from UDM everyone under 40 does not have the best opinion of UDM unless you went there or know people who did. The people who have been like " U of D is a good school" are over 40 but really over 50. I've had young people in my field tell me going to UDM was a huge waste of time and money, Despite having a top 10 school counseling program in the Midwest (what I am currently at UDM for) Just I guess my rebuttal and 2 cents. Two players were misled and really hurt our program and they deserve all the criticism. So, now UDM is not only not a "real" school, it's not even a "good" school? Then I have to ask: Why did you pick UDM? More importantly, why are you still there? Once you were in undergrad and realized you that you were at a school that was neither "real" nor "good" why didn't you transfer? It's not the Army; you can leave at any time. I'm genuinely curious about that. The guy went out of his way to publicly disrespect the University that gave him a chance to continue his basketball career and paid for his education. If you think that's a sign of a good teammate, we have different definitions of the term, just as we apparently have different definitions of what constitutes a "real" or "good" school. Sam, I love you but I don't think we can have a conversation without an argument that we can just say we agree to disagree. The only point I was trying to get is that Pat isn’t the bad person he's been made out to be. He's done pretty well post UDM. He was not the only person on that team who tested positive for weed and if they would have tested the entire team I am not sure they would have had a starting 5. I picked UDM because I was in love from the moment I stepped on campus, just like a lot of us on this board were. I also have severe learning disabilities so I needed a small controlled environment and I fell in love with UDM basketball. I also have only attended private catholic schools and despite not being religious the familiarity was huge for me. I also didn’t drive until after 18 so I needed to be close to home. No place in my statement did I say I regret the education I received or hate the school. If I did I would not currently go there for my master's, I would not have done all the stuff I did when I was in undergrad. I pay way extra because i value a Jesuit education so much. UP is right its a lot about what you make it, that being said for people who want a party scene and people going to athletics and bars and restaurants to go to.. cant really happen like at a lot of schools. That doesn’t mean we don’t function as a normal University. I attempted to do so much when I was student government president to make things better, only to get stonewalled just like the the guys trying to fund " Road to a championship" are. I only know sports and schools.. so i don't know much about hiring in other sectors. I know what my friends from UDM tell me who don't like the University like everyone on this board does and won’t be gifting money.. something i've brought up before. all i was getting at is UDM is not held in the same regard as it was 20-30-40 year’s ago. Pat making a statement I don't totally agree with is not going to offend me. No one can take away or devalue my degree its mine. it was made by an angry 21-22 year old. He 28-29 now? he was probably frustrated and running his mouth. Thats the end of my talk on Ack.
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Post by titantarheel on Mar 4, 2022 12:30:24 GMT -5
I was not offended by the comment because I understood the context. The experience is absolutely horrid like everyone is gone on the weekend. The school does little to nothing in terms of programming or events. They don't do anything to get students to games. If I got to go to stuff at Penn State id be upset too. I get that it was offensive to some of you but he's not the person he's made out to be by that comment. To be honest, we have never been close friends, but when you have class and work on projects together you learn who is really a good teammate. Also for the record, unless you have a business, PA, nursing, engineering, dental, or law degree from UDM everyone under 40 does not have the best opinion of UDM unless you went there or know people who did. The people who have been like " U of D is a good school" are over 40 but really over 50. I've had young people in my field tell me going to UDM was a huge waste of time and money, Despite having a top 10 school counseling program in the Midwest (what I am currently at UDM for) Just I guess my rebuttal and 2 cents. Two players were misled and really hurt our program and they deserve all the criticism. In my opinion Kirky isn't wrong about the comments about lack of activity (I do not agree with 'everyone under 40 is negative about UDM' just to be clear). I know I also fall age wise somewhere between most of the board posters and Kirky. UDM is a commuter school and has been for a long time. It's honest to say that campus and near to campus has way less offerings and going on then MSU or UM or many other universities. Yeah I get the 'well make your own fun' but if its just not there to be had, its just not plain and simple. In my 3 years at UDM I never ONCE heard about anyone saying after class - 'hey lets walk over to XYZ to grab a bite or have a beer'. Because there just weren't those places walkable to campus. That's a drawback and reality in getting people to hang together more. Alot of students have other things going on in their lives that takes them away from 6/Livernois - whether it is jobs, family/home life, whatever. Whereas many other schools have kids that are just full time college kids which includes a whole lotta free time to get together, have drinks, do things, etc et al. For me, yes, I was disappointed in the lack of campus life and activity. My wife went to MSU and then for grad school I was at UNC Chapel Hill. It was evident just how different a college experience is at other places compared with dear ol U of D. Heck even places like Loyola Chicago has more action going (also more students staying near to campus). Doesn't mean UDM isn't a good place to go get your degree but it's okay to call out weakness of the school (or at a minimum contrast it with whats available at other places) when it comes to student life. It is what it is. PS - Yeah Ack's language he used wasn't appropriate esp for someone in a high profile position as a member of the hoops team.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 4, 2022 12:49:43 GMT -5
When I went to U-D in the mid-1970s as a commuter student, we did have that nearby walkable spot to socialize — the Golden ‘20’s on Livernois directly across from campus. I went there often for lunch (“pizza slice + Busch beer” daily specials), after class, on Thursday “Zoo Nights,” before/after basketball games, etc. As the Liv6 neighborhood evolves, there needs to be a couple places like that for students to frequent.
During my student days, the drinking age was 18. It seemed like just about every weekend there was a beer bash with a band in the Student Union ballroom. For a while there were big name concerts in Calihan. And the basketball program was in full gear with the Vitale and Gaines teams. I bet a couple thousand students would attend hoops games. My friends from Wayne State frequently came over to the University of Detroit to join me in doing things because there was a relatively superior social scene at our campus.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 4, 2022 16:42:26 GMT -5
I was not offended by the comment because I understood the context. The experience is absolutely horrid like everyone is gone on the weekend. The school does little to nothing in terms of programming or events. They don't do anything to get students to games. If I got to go to stuff at Penn State id be upset too. I get that it was offensive to some of you but he's not the person he's made out to be by that comment. To be honest, we have never been close friends, but when you have class and work on projects together you learn who is really a good teammate. Also for the record, unless you have a business, PA, nursing, engineering, dental, or law degree from UDM everyone under 40 does not have the best opinion of UDM unless you went there or know people who did. The people who have been like " U of D is a good school" are over 40 but really over 50. I've had young people in my field tell me going to UDM was a huge waste of time and money, Despite having a top 10 school counseling program in the Midwest (what I am currently at UDM for) Just I guess my rebuttal and 2 cents. Two players were misled and really hurt our program and they deserve all the criticism. In my opinion Kirky isn't wrong about the comments about lack of activity (I do not agree with 'everyone under 40 is negative about UDM' just to be clear). I know I also fall age wise somewhere between most of the board posters and Kirky. UDM is a commuter school and has been for a long time. It's honest to say that campus and near to campus has way less offerings and going on then MSU or UM or many other universities. Yeah I get the 'well make your own fun' but if its just not there to be had, its just not plain and simple. In my 3 years at UDM I never ONCE heard about anyone saying after class - 'hey lets walk over to XYZ to grab a bite or have a beer'. Because there just weren't those places walkable to campus. That's a drawback and reality in getting people to hang together more. Alot of students have other things going on in their lives that takes them away from 6/Livernois - whether it is jobs, family/home life, whatever. Whereas many other schools have kids that are just full time college kids which includes a whole lotta free time to get together, have drinks, do things, etc et al. For me, yes, I was disappointed in the lack of campus life and activity. My wife went to MSU and then for grad school I was at UNC Chapel Hill. It was evident just how different a college experience is at other places compared with dear ol U of D. Heck even places like Loyola Chicago has more action going (also more students staying near to campus). Doesn't mean UDM isn't a good place to go get your degree but it's okay to call out weakness of the school (or at a minimum contrast it with whats available at other places) when it comes to student life. It is what it is. PS - Yeah Ack's language he used wasn't appropriate esp for someone in a high profile position as a member of the hoops team. All true. I lived on campus and off campus while I was a student, and our "walking to" options included Gregg's Pizza (delicious) and U of D Coney Island (thankfully still referring to itself as "U of D" and still doing a good grilled ham and cheese sandwich). On the other hand, a short drive away was the Dakota Inn, Tom's Tavern, Dummy George's, and Baker's Keyboard Lounge. Lots of range in those places, but I get not everyone would be interested in those options. Most of the guys and girls I was friends with in college were like me, working at least one part time job while in school. But those of us looking for fun usually found it. Nowadays, there are a lot more dining options around campus than there used to be, but one thing I have found is that a lot of college students these days would rather sit somewhere with their phones or a video game than go somewhere. To your last point, if Ack had simply said, "I wish there was more student activities at UDM", instead of disparaging the entire University, no one would remember him. A lot of people would have agreed with him.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 4, 2022 17:14:11 GMT -5
So, now UDM is not only not a "real" school, it's not even a "good" school? Then I have to ask: Why did you pick UDM? More importantly, why are you still there? Once you were in undergrad and realized you that you were at a school that was neither "real" nor "good" why didn't you transfer? It's not the Army; you can leave at any time. I'm genuinely curious about that. The guy went out of his way to publicly disrespect the University that gave him a chance to continue his basketball career and paid for his education. If you think that's a sign of a good teammate, we have different definitions of the term, just as we apparently have different definitions of what constitutes a "real" or "good" school. Sam, I love you but I don't think we can have a conversation without an argument that we can just say we agree to disagree. The only point I was trying to get is that Pat isn’t the bad person he's been made out to be. He's done pretty well post UDM. He was not the only person on that team who tested positive for weed and if they would have tested the entire team I am not sure they would have had a starting 5. I picked UDM because I was in love from the moment I stepped on campus, just like a lot of us on this board were. I also have severe learning disabilities so I needed a small controlled environment and I fell in love with UDM basketball. I also have only attended private catholic schools and despite not being religious the familiarity was huge for me. I also didn’t drive until after 18 so I needed to be close to home. No place in my statement did I say I regret the education I received or hate the school. If I did I would not currently go there for my master's, I would not have done all the stuff I did when I was in undergrad. I pay way extra because i value a Jesuit education so much. UP is right its a lot about what you make it, that being said for people who want a party scene and people going to athletics and bars and restaurants to go to.. cant really happen like at a lot of schools. That doesn’t mean we don’t function as a normal University. I attempted to do so much when I was student government president to make things better, only to get stonewalled just like the the guys trying to fund " Road to a championship" are. I only know sports and schools.. so i don't know much about hiring in other sectors. I know what my friends from UDM tell me who don't like the University like everyone on this board does and won’t be gifting money.. something i've brought up before. all i was getting at is UDM is not held in the same regard as it was 20-30-40 year’s ago. Pat making a statement I don't totally agree with is not going to offend me. No one can take away or devalue my degree its mine. it was made by an angry 21-22 year old. He 28-29 now? he was probably frustrated and running his mouth. Thats the end of my talk on Ack. Karic, you know I love you and I'm not intending to argue. We agree on a lot more than we disagree on, and when we've bumped heads on something, we always smooth it out. What kind of person Pat is now has never been my focus. When his name has come up, I have limited my comments to his time here. I've said he was a sub par player who didn't contribute, got in trouble, quit on the team and burned up three years of scholarship, with his most memorable act being posting an insult to the school I love. I don't see any false information there. I'm usually very reluctant to criticize college players, especially Titans, but Ack hit every button you can hit if you want to be criticized. I'm glad you are proud of your degree; you should be. I'm proud to know you as a fellow Detroit grad. Expect a hug next time I see you.
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