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Post by calihanmole on Mar 14, 2022 9:30:43 GMT -5
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 14, 2022 11:08:08 GMT -5
My thought is why pay to play another road game with the hope that if you get really lucky you get two road games. So many criticized the large percentage of road games we played at the start of this season and most of those were games where we made $. Now we have a banged up team with three players we were counting on in the beginning of the season not available and 4 others injured or coming off of injuries and we are going to pay to play one possibly 2 games. Really for what? So we can watch the Titans 2 more times on ESPN+. I realistically can not see where much good comes our way with this. I think there is a better chance of this actually becoming negative result. I totally disagree with this thinking. So I guess all the quacking on here about too many road games was just making noise and posting something just to post. Waterman, Harvey, Akec, AD, Willy and Phillips were injured at the end of the season. An opportunity for them to properly heal is paramount. Playing slightly injured with an opportunity to win a tournament of average teams so that we can puff our chests out and justify to our friends why we are Titan fans, to me is not worth the risk. We are showing not only our age but desperation. This is a tourney that means nothing and a bad loss or an injury can cause more damage than gain. I guess I can’t see that much plus in 10-14 days practice now helps us that much for a season that is eight and a half months from now. The important time is what the team does on their own the 3-5 months before the season and if we have guys who do not want to do that, then Davis has the wrong guys. I didn’t think as highly of Ray Jr. as most on here did but he was a leader. He had the team on campus together and working together thru the summer.
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Post by uofdfan1983 on Mar 14, 2022 11:42:58 GMT -5
McAdoo was also injured in the last game but he'll be OK. The NET +/- on the injury report is maybe a -1 at this point (+1 Akec, -1 Willy -1 Waterman). Harvey's been playing hurt all year; Phillips hasn't played enough to even count on the register. AD has been playing with tender achilles all year as well. None of those examples should count in your calculation.
These guys can get hurt playing pickup on the pavement, or tripping on a rock on the sidewalk for that matter. As you pointed out UP, if they get hurt now they have many months to heal. Sure it would set them back; same as any injury any day could.
The idea is that this is the perfect year to show all these returnees (whom we think some of them are pretty talented) that the school is "all in" on supporting their effort to make next season a big year. There's really no downside. A Win or Two would be team-building. A loss in the first round is just another road loss against a tough opponent.
The extra practices are nice. This season was shortened in many ways and as you have stated, UP - learning how each other plays and playing off of each other is a key element of becoming a team (e.g. AD & Willy).
Glad we're stepping up and showing everyone we care about our basketball program a little bit...
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 14, 2022 12:53:47 GMT -5
If Waterman and Willy are both out and the other injuries you mentioned are still present than this is even more stupid than I originally thought. I will tune in and I will pull for UD success but I am still wondering what are we doing? Maybe we need to have one more name change so we can somehow proclaim our ability to consistently make self destructive decisions. As much as I do not care for OU, I applaud their decision to understand when the season is over and not further stamp themselves as losers. This really confirms how far we have fallen.
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Post by fan on Mar 14, 2022 15:20:54 GMT -5
I agree, play all the games you can get, true it's not the NCAA or NIT, but it's a start to post-season play. When next year's pre-season reports come it will clearly say "played in the BC, post-season". Looking at some of the teams, maybe the team can catch a 2 or 3 game run.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 14, 2022 20:33:13 GMT -5
If Waterman and Willy are both out and the other injuries you mentioned are still present than this is even more stupid than I originally thought. I will tune in and I will pull for UD success but I am still wondering what are we doing? Maybe we need to have one more name change so we can somehow proclaim our ability to consistently make self destructive decisions. As much as I do not care for OU, I applaud their decision to understand when the season is over and not further stamp themselves as losers. This really confirms how far we have fallen. I totally disagree with this thinking. I see no downside. Willy doesn't play. OK. That's unfortunate. But he's not gonna play next year either, so maybe it's good for the team to start getting a few games without him. Akec should be fine--he's had another 10 days to rest his ankle, and played in the last two games. Phillips has been out all year. We're not ssking him to play through pain or anything. I don't know what the story is with Waterman. But no one is likely to get hurt in this tournament, and if we don't play, maybe they get hurt in a pick up game or skateboarding or twisting an ankle on the steps. OU is in a different situation. OU is basically a 4-man team, and Kampe has ridden his starters incredibly hard all season. Moore and Townsend have been playing through real pain. They closed their season 4-7 against D-1 competition. In the same span, we closed 8-5 against D-1. It is time for Oakland to drop the curtain on 2022--but not necessarily for us. I don't know how much difference more practice makes. We could be out of this tournament 24 hours from now but we've had a week plus practice already. I really don't know any coach who doesn't like more practice. And a game, as the old saw goes, is worth 4 practices. I certainly see no downside. I have zero problem with playing on the road. My problem was with opening the season with 9 straight on the road. I think the difference is plain. I see no downside to playing another road game or two. Lots of teams play in these secondary tournaments and it has no effect. There are at least a few stories where coaches have really praised the tournaments for setting up future success. Perhaps the most notable examples are VCU, which made the NCAA Final 4 a year after winning the CBI, and Loyola, which often credits its 2015 CBI title for rejuvenating the program. But I've never heard a coach or AD wish they hadn't played. Some teams decide to forego it. In 2019, San Francisco, after playing in a CIT and 3 CBIs, said it would pass on another CBI bid. Bradley has done the same. They're basically saying--and both coaches were pretty specific about saying-- "we think we got what we could out of these tournaments--now we want to aim higher." I can get that. I'm not sure I agree--schools like Kent State have been happy to play in them almost every year--but I can get it. We're not there. We're where they were when they starting using these tournaments to boost their programs which, like ours, were proud programs that had fallen a lot. Maybe this gets us to .500 or better. That's a small psychological win, a small recruiting chit. Maybe we win it, or at least reach the final--that's a little bit bigger chit. And with that comes a little more TV exposure. Not like an NCAA audience, but something. Too often I think UD's problem is that we don't do little things to improve the program--we just wait around for the next Dick Vitale to come turn things around. I think it's good that we want to play in this. Let's do little things. Let's show commitment. Let's go Titans!
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Post by friartitan on Mar 14, 2022 21:25:15 GMT -5
Agree 100% w/Commissioner..Willy as a non returning player would not see many minutes under any circumstance. Akec should be good to go. Waterman is the question mark! Any thoughts??
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Post by royaloakdave on Mar 14, 2022 23:06:42 GMT -5
Does anyone know; what type of injury did Noah Waterman sustain at the close of the season?
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 15, 2022 5:46:30 GMT -5
Does anyone know; what type of injury did Noah Waterman sustain at the close of the season? Yes. In the 1st half, he was Buddy Boeheimed in the groin area by an NKU player. In the second half, he was injured on his offensive rebound/tip-in when an NKU player pushed him to the floor while in the air after he made the basket. In both cases, no fouls were called on NKU. In the first instance, Waterman was called for the foul.
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Post by udballer on Mar 15, 2022 21:56:09 GMT -5
Does anyone know; what type of injury did Noah Waterman sustain at the close of the season? Yes. In the 1st half, he was Buddy Boeheimed in the groin area by an NKU player. In the second half, he was injured on his offensive rebound/tip-in when an NKU player pushed him to the floor while in the air after he made the basket. In both cases, no fouls were called on NKU. In the first instance, Waterman was called for the foul. I had a feeling it was the refs that cost us that one.
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Post by larrytitan on Mar 16, 2022 7:54:13 GMT -5
The refs didn’t cost us the NKU game. We shot poorly, Antoine had an off night and we lost by 17.
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Post by nctitan on Mar 16, 2022 11:02:14 GMT -5
The refs didn’t cost us the NKU game. We shot poorly, Antoine had an off night and we lost by 17. You got that right, Larry. Any team can survive a bad shooting night by its star or second-leading scorer. But against NKU every single Titan had an off-night.
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Post by larrytitan on Mar 16, 2022 11:33:50 GMT -5
Only McAdoo played well.
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 16, 2022 13:17:35 GMT -5
The refs didn’t cost us the NKU game. We shot poorly, Antoine had an off night and we lost by 17. No one made that claim. You asked if anyone knew how Noah got injured. Since I was at the NKU game, I posted the details about the two plays that caused his injuries. Willy was badly hurt taking a charge early in the game. He tried his best to play through a lot of pain.
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Post by larrytitan on Mar 16, 2022 14:07:02 GMT -5
UD baller made the claim. Look it up.
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