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Post by Commissioner on Apr 17, 2022 9:41:35 GMT -5
I know I’m in the minority, but I’m happy Coach Davis will (presumably) be here for 3 more years. Do you really think we’re going to find another coach without a huge risk of hiring a dud? Yes, we could go hire the next Nate Oats, but we could also go out and hire another BA, and with all of the turnover going on in the university and the rumors about Vowel being gone later this year, I’m fine with a stable option in the head coaching chair. (Not to mention the fact that I still believe in Coach Davis). Say what you want, but compared to other sports at the university, Coach Davis is vastly outperforming other coaches. That’s sad, I know, but also needs to be taken into consideration. I don't think you are in the minority.
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 17, 2022 9:58:25 GMT -5
I think he will eventually be a fine player for the Titans, but it’s a big step up from high school to significant minutes in a D-1 lineup when you haven’t played competitively for a year and you weigh 150 pounds. Generally speaking, freshman are more likely to fall short of rather than meet/exceed expectations. You only need to look at the Pat Baldwin Jr. situation at UWM this past season for a recent example. Based on video and reports, Sonny strikes me more as a facilitator and pure point guard, rather than a "shoot first, shoot second, maybe pass if I am doubled" point guard like the ones so common in the game today. I think on a team with some scorers he will eventually be the straw that stirs that drink. Definitely more of a pass first guy, though also a very good three point shooter. Here is something that is not a rap on Sonny, but just a fact on how injuries have taken a toll on his stock: Sonny was not even an Honorable Mention All-State player this year in Ohio. That's of over 50 players recognized in Division 3 (the Division Garfield Heights is in--Ohio has 4 divisions). Part of that is that he missed several games. Also, All-State choices don't always match up with collegiate potential. Again, I remain positive about the signing and eager to see him play, and my guess is that because of his injuries he's being undervalued. But it's good to have realistic expectations.
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 17, 2022 10:29:07 GMT -5
A few things - AD could make up to 1 million dollars in NIL money??? MD has 3 years left on his contract??? I realize Tony Paul is writing the article and he's not know for his accuracy, but 1 million is crazy, and what fool somehow gave MD 3 more seasons - I don't know if I can make it that long watching bad, losing basketball I know I’m in the minority, but I’m happy Coach Davis will (presumably) be here for 3 more years. Do you really think we’re going to find another coach without a huge risk of hiring a dud? Yes, we could go hire the next Nate Oats, but we could also go out and hire another BA, and with all of the turnover going on in the university and the rumors about Vowel being gone later this year, I’m fine with a stable option in the head coaching chair. (Not to mention the fact that I still believe in Coach Davis). Say what you want, but compared to other sports at the university, Coach Davis is vastly outperforming other coaches. That’s sad, I know, but also needs to be taken into consideration. I think a lot of posters agree with you, probably the majority. I think keeping Davis is the right move. I still think he can turn things around. His track record would indicate he can.
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 17, 2022 10:51:23 GMT -5
Davis visiting Georgetown, Maryland, and Kansas State. Also taking an unofficial to Cincinnati.
Go Hoyas!
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 17, 2022 10:52:32 GMT -5
I think a lot of posters agree with you, probably the majority. I think keeping Davis is the right move. I still think he can turn things around. His track record would indicate he can. Mike Davis is already turning us around. Looking at the post-Gaither scandal era in two-year increments because the Tony Paul article refers to the past two-year record of Davis. 2012-14: 33-32; 18-14 HL regular season (NIT in 2013) 2014-16: 31-33; 16-18 HL regular season 2016-18: 16-47; 10-26 HL regular season 2018-20: 20-43; 14-22 HL regular season 2020-22: 26-26; 20-13 HL regular season (TBC in 2022) Not where we were under Ray yet; but trending in the right direction.
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Post by royaloakdave on Apr 17, 2022 11:07:11 GMT -5
To underscore the obvious, Antoine leaving is a huge loss. That being said, our current roster includes six talented and experienced players; McAdoo, Harvey, Phillips, Akec, LeGreair, and Waterman. In addition, we have three players (Sylla, Shaw, and Johnson Jr.) that have the potential to make solid contributions in the near term.
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Post by calihanmole on Apr 17, 2022 11:10:03 GMT -5
I’m surprised Antoine will burn an official visit with Georgetown. The Hoyas are NOT going to the ncaa tournament next season. Hell, we have a better chance of going. I did read this interesting article about what Georgetown might be doing with NIL. I think Ewing probably has one more year at most to turn things around and get to .500 or he’s gone. Maybe the plan is to work with their wealthy and well connected alumni to get their NIL system up ASAP and get some talent to stop the bleeding. Antoine would certainly be someone they’d want for a year. If he can get $100,000 and a free masters degree from Georgetown that’s a pretty good deal. But, again, I highly doubt the Hoyas will be dancing next season. www.casualhoya.com/2022/4/6/23012060/hoyas-fans-may-see-a-glimmer-of-a-georgetown-nil-strategy-big-east-name-image-likeness-ncaa
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Post by fan on Apr 17, 2022 14:07:53 GMT -5
UDM might be a better TEAM without AD their go-to guy. AD was so good, the team at give him the ball would just stand around and watch him.
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Post by nctitan on Apr 17, 2022 14:40:19 GMT -5
We should be able to play.500 basketball without him, which shouldn't be any different than the last four years. I mean, seriously, head down playing 1 on 5 for most of the game, leading the conference in turnovers, play zero defense, not being a team player, being allowed by his Dad to just keep shooting even when we need a stop or a play that works. Playing as a team (if Dad can somehow start teaching that) doesn't seem to be any harder without him than with him. Winning the league next year would be a complete vindication of poor team play for 4 years and it all comes from Dad. Bum rap. The playing one-on-five might've been true for much of the first two seasons, when no one else on the team could score (when AD went out of the games, the Titans had zero offense) but keep in mind that he was double-teamed virtually every time he was on the floor and when the shot clock wound down his teammates always fed him the ball. His career average for assists is 4.3 and he has a positive assist-to-turnover ratio. As far as defense, in 111 games he had 140 steals.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Apr 17, 2022 16:37:14 GMT -5
I am trying to figure out how AD will get paid a million $ to be the # 6 or 7 guy on a good p5 team. What would the # 1 or 2 guy get? I think this is a mistake on ADs part and he might be exposing his weaknesses while they were well hidden here.. Maybe I am taking it wrong but his stating he has put his time in at Detroit, really irritates the hell out of me.
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 17, 2022 17:27:41 GMT -5
I think a lot of posters agree with you, probably the majority. I think keeping Davis is the right move. I still think he can turn things around. His track record would indicate he can. Mike Davis is already turning us around. Looking at the post-Gaither scandal era in two-year increments because the Tony Paul article refers to the past two-year record of Davis. 2012-14: 33-32; 18-14 HL regular season (NIT in 2013) 2014-16: 31-33; 16-18 HL regular season 2016-18: 16-47; 10-26 HL regular season 2018-20: 20-43; 14-22 HL regular season 2020-22: 26-26; 20-13 HL regular season (TBC in 2022) Not where we were under Ray yet; but trending in the right direction. Yes, these past two years have definitely been an improvement the previous four seasons. That gives me some optimism.
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Post by JDetroitTitan on Apr 17, 2022 19:44:04 GMT -5
At the end of the day this thread make me sad to hear. It was nice being able to see Twon play with his dad because if you looked hard enough you could catch those father son moments.
I remember seeing the OU game when Twon had the final shot and it was right on line but he didn't have the legs to get it in. The ball just hit the front of the rim. You could see how hard AD took it when it didn't go in. To be so close to get one of his white whales and come up short. I watch as his dad came over and put his arm around him and consoled him back to the locker room.
At the end of the day I believe MD will be a better coach without AD on the court. You truly can't be a great coach and Dad at the same time when your son is plays for you. You can tell MD is a great father just like Ray was. Both of these fathers raise some great sons on and off the court.
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Post by nctitan on Apr 17, 2022 20:06:46 GMT -5
I am trying to figure out how AD will get paid a million $ to be the # 6 or 7 guy on a good p5 team. What would the # 1 or 2 guy get? I think this is a mistake on ADs part and he might be exposing his weaknesses while they were well hidden here.. Maybe I am taking it wrong but his stating he has put his time in at Detroit, really irritates the hell out of me. I agree, UP, except I have never seen $1 million as an expectation. I've seen $100k. But if I were AD I'd question how much playing time to expect going to one of the perennial power teams. I more expect to see him as his new team's Vinnie Johnson, aka "Microwave," bringing some instant offense off the bench. Going from 38 minutes a game to 12 is boing to be a shock, although his legs will be a lot stronger at the end of the season.
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Post by fan on Apr 17, 2022 20:32:59 GMT -5
Maybe he's not looking for $1M, maybe he's just looking for a different college experience, I don't believe he will go to a KY or someplace to be # 6 or # 7, I can see a Georgetown, and play in the Big Easy for a year and get a jump on a great Masters.
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Post by hyperion on Apr 17, 2022 23:47:59 GMT -5
We need to offer AD a $1,000,001 NIL for next year. To come up with this money, we can fire Coach MD and save $650,000. We can also fire Coach MD Jr. and save $125,000. For $225,001, we can sell the Calihan arena naming rights to Macaroni Grill. Problem solved.
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