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Post by udmperry on Aug 3, 2023 17:46:50 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 4, 2023 18:19:03 GMT -5
Per media reports, it's official that Oregon and Washington will be joining the Big 10/11/14/18 in 2024.
It is also being reported that Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah will be joining the Big 12 in 2024.
Oregon State, Washington State, Cal, and Stanford are on the outside looking in.
Football money rules college sports.
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Post by larrytitan on Aug 5, 2023 7:39:26 GMT -5
It’s not so bad to be in the Horizon League.
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Post by udmperry on Aug 5, 2023 10:34:02 GMT -5
Cal and Stanford to the Horizon next? Both strong academic profiles and located in urban settings! They can be travel partners. All they need to do is drop football like we did.
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 5, 2023 11:06:38 GMT -5
It’s not so bad to be in the Horizon League. You know, that's actually true. As much as many of us would like to be in a better league, we're kind of stuck here. We don't have a lot to offer another conference, and we haven't distinguished ourselves on the court to make ourselves more attractive from wins/profile perspective. We probably don't have the money to pay exit/entry fees. On the plus side, the HL is a conference that is winnable. There's no Gonzaga-like juggernaut that keeps everyone else playing for second place. I know a complaint is that we're stuck in a league with a bunch of mid tier public schools, but, in addition to sounding unrealistically elitist, that doesn't matter at all once you're between the lines. The league maintains a nice, compact geographic profile, making travel easier and less expensive, while lessening the time the student athletes are on the road. There's worse places to be. The problem with our program isn't the league we're in.
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Post by fan on Aug 5, 2023 18:32:41 GMT -5
It's football that's the issue and the big, big money it generates. UCLA, or USC, would never jump to the Atlantic Ten or the Big East, they could stay on the West Coast and get into March Madness, make money there without football. Except the amount of money football generate is crazy.
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 5, 2023 22:34:47 GMT -5
It's football that's the issue and the big, big money it generates. UCLA, or USC, would never jump to the Atlantic Ten or the Big East, they could stay on the West Coast and get into March Madness, make money there without football. Except the amount of money football generate is crazy. I think you are 100% right.
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Post by fan on Aug 6, 2023 10:09:57 GMT -5
MC Sam; The NFL model is genius, it has taken a while to figure out the gold mine the NFL is, my guess is at the end of the day the Big 10, SEC, and Big 12 will divide into conferences, ending in a league championship game and then a college Super Bowl. I really think it could dwarf the NFL playoffs. There are people out there who could care less about football who would back their school blindly with support. The NCAA had the footprint with March Madness and somehow couldn't get it together. So the savvy leagues did it, actually the Big 10 going East started it all.
I think at this point the Big 10 and SEC, and maybe the Big 12 are in collaboration, there is no reason why the Big 10 hasn't expanded to the SE, there are plenty of opportunities, and th SEC if they really, really wanted to Midwest they'd write a check big enough that ND couldn't refuse, except for some agreement.
At the end of the day when this is all over and everything is in place, the big loser, if they don't get involved, is ND, if there isn't some move back to independent teams again from the schools left out like Sanford, ND will be playing the Lafayettes and Armys of the football world in October and November.
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Post by larrytitan on Aug 6, 2023 15:14:22 GMT -5
I prefer the NFL over college football but college basketball over the NBA.
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Post by fan on Aug 7, 2023 7:50:42 GMT -5
Larry; back when the NBA was such a great spectacle for basketball "people", the league has become a political circus. I don't enjoy watching 10 overpaid players dogging for 3 1/2 quarters, while being blasted by the kissing cam and donut races. Plus you need 2 credit cards to bring a family of 4 to a game. We used to watch better basketball in the summers in Manhattan Beach than they play in the NBA these days.
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Post by larrytitan on Aug 7, 2023 10:18:06 GMT -5
At the Beach, you never knew when “The Hawk” might drop by.
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Post by fan on Aug 7, 2023 11:48:47 GMT -5
The Hawk (Iowa/Boys HS) and Rajah (Roger) Brown (Wingate HS/Dayton) were always there (they were attached by the hip), they seemed always to be hanging around Jack Molinas (Columbia), who was always there making friends. Hawk and Rajah seemed always running to Nathans for Mokinas who seemed to buy hot dogs for anyone that was there.
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Post by titansforever on Aug 7, 2023 19:05:27 GMT -5
MC Sam; The NFL model is genius, it has taken a while to figure out the gold mine the NFL is, my guess is at the end of the day the Big 10, SEC, and Big 12 will divide into conferences, ending in a league championship game and then a college Super Bowl. I really think it could dwarf the NFL playoffs. There are people out there who could care less about football who would back their school blindly with support. The NCAA had the footprint with March Madness and somehow couldn't get it together. So the savvy leagues did it, actually the Big 10 going East started it all. I think at this point the Big 10 and SEC, and maybe the Big 12 are in collaboration, there is no reason why the Big 10 hasn't expanded to the SE, there are plenty of opportunities, and th SEC if they really, really wanted to Midwest they'd write a check big enough that ND couldn't refuse, except for some agreement. At the end of the day when this is all over and everything is in place, the big loser, if they don't get involved, is ND, if there isn't some move back to independent teams again from the schools left out like Sanford, ND will be playing the Lafayettes and Armys of the football world in October and November. The genius of the NFL is revenue-sharing, all the partners are equal. Colleges accept that (sort of) within their own leagues, but once the leagues have been dissolved for some sort of regional system no way are Michigan and Alabama going to settle for the same amount money as Mississippi and Purdue. They are going to want more. Which is why we got into this mess to begin with, with USC and UCLA wanting more from the Big Ten than they got in the Pac-12, and with Texas & Oklahoma wanting more than they got in the Big 12. The merry-go-round will start again.
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Post by larrytitan on Aug 8, 2023 7:55:12 GMT -5
At my age (75), I can exist with MLB, NFL, Horizon League and Ivy League. I also enjoy weekly wagers on PGA at my local Oneida Nation mini-casino.
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Post by fan on Aug 8, 2023 8:13:59 GMT -5
Forever, the revenue is different in the professional leagues, briefly the NFL splits TV equally, and does a 60/40 home gate, and seems to have figured it out, on the other side the NBA, dating back to its start in 1946 does not split the home gate with the visiting team. This goes back to NY, Washington ad Philadelphia wouldn't join the league if they had to split with Syracuse and Rochester. They live off TV, sponsorships ( arnea naming), recently uniform patches. I think the NBA is a bush league compared to the NFL.
It's big money they'll figure it out, I think Oregon and Washington are getting a smaller pie of the Big Ten pie. Rick Pitino yesterday thinks the football program should be run separate from other nonrevenue sports, maybe that's a plan.
But it seems to be a nice problem for these big football schools, not like having 1000 people at a home basketball game.
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