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Post by motorcitysam on Sept 5, 2023 15:05:08 GMT -5
The Mountain West has apparently made overtures to Washington State and Oregon State. I think that makes sense, even thought it means the death of the PAC 12. I imagine that Washington State and Oregon State don't want to drop down to a league of mid majors, but I don't know if they have any other options. I did hear a PAC 12 announcer say this week that if WSU and OSU join the Mountain West, they could rebrand the league as the Mountain PAC, which actually sounds pretty good. www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38314274/mountain-west-made-pitches-oregon-state-washington-state
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Post by larrytitan on Sept 5, 2023 15:42:53 GMT -5
What happens to the PAC 12 automatic bid to March Madness?
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Post by motorcitysam on Sept 12, 2023 15:39:08 GMT -5
The PAC 12 infighting continues, with Washington State and Oregon State filing a temporary restraining order to stop a PAC 12 board meeting from taking place. I think they have a good point: The future of the PAC 12 should be decided by the teams that are staying, not the teams that are leaving. From the article: "Oregon State and Washington State have argued that they should be the only voting members remaining in the conference, citing precedent that previous members who've notified the Pac-12 of their withdrawal from the league have lost voting rights. In the past 18 months, 10 members have departed the Pac-12. That has left only Oregon State and Washington State to sift through the remaining assets and liabilities as they attempt to determine whether it's worth pushing forward with the league. There's value in the league's name, television network, remaining assets and NCAA men's basketball tournament units that could be used as a lure to help facilitate a merger with the Mountain West."www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38380648/judge-grants-temporary-restraining-order-prevent-pac-12-meeting
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Post by Commissioner on Sept 12, 2023 15:48:37 GMT -5
The PAC 12 infighting continues, with Washington State and Oregon State filing a temporary restraining order to stop a PAC 12 board meeting from taking place. I think they have a good point: The future of the PAC 12 should be decided by the teams that are staying, not the teams that are leaving. From the article: "Oregon State and Washington State have argued that they should be the only voting members remaining in the conference, citing precedent that previous members who've notified the Pac-12 of their withdrawal from the league have lost voting rights. In the past 18 months, 10 members have departed the Pac-12. That has left only Oregon State and Washington State to sift through the remaining assets and liabilities as they attempt to determine whether it's worth pushing forward with the league. There's value in the league's name, television network, remaining assets and NCAA men's basketball tournament units that could be used as a lure to help facilitate a merger with the Mountain West."www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38380648/judge-grants-temporary-restraining-order-prevent-pac-12-meetingSounds like a decent case to me. I could see the PAC 12 absorbing the MWC, similar to the Horizon (then called the MCC) surviving by taking in most of the Summit back in the 1990s. And similar to that move, it may allow the MWC majority to stab any weak sisters and leave them behind--San Jose State, perhaps. (Though we might note that, nearly three decades later, the Summit did survive and may well have surpassed the Horizon in quality). By absorbing enough MWC teams (I think it would need to be at least 6) the PAC 12 would keep its automatic bid and tournament shares.
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Post by motorcitysam on Sept 12, 2023 17:22:56 GMT -5
The PAC 12 infighting continues, with Washington State and Oregon State filing a temporary restraining order to stop a PAC 12 board meeting from taking place. I think they have a good point: The future of the PAC 12 should be decided by the teams that are staying, not the teams that are leaving. From the article: "Oregon State and Washington State have argued that they should be the only voting members remaining in the conference, citing precedent that previous members who've notified the Pac-12 of their withdrawal from the league have lost voting rights. In the past 18 months, 10 members have departed the Pac-12. That has left only Oregon State and Washington State to sift through the remaining assets and liabilities as they attempt to determine whether it's worth pushing forward with the league. There's value in the league's name, television network, remaining assets and NCAA men's basketball tournament units that could be used as a lure to help facilitate a merger with the Mountain West."www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38380648/judge-grants-temporary-restraining-order-prevent-pac-12-meetingSounds like a decent case to me. I could see the PAC 12 absorbing the MWC, similar to the Horizon (then called the MCC) surviving by taking in most of the Summit back in the 1990s. And similar to that move, it may allow the MWC majority to stab any weak sisters and leave them behind--San Jose State, perhaps. (Though we might note that, nearly three decades later, the Summit did survive and may well have surpassed the Horizon in quality). By absorbing enough MWC teams (I think it would need to be at least 6) the PAC 12 would keep its automatic bid and tournament shares. I would hope that after being abandoned by the rest of the PAC 12 that WSU and OSU would be reluctant to cast out San Jose State like that, but we know that money talks. The league has 11 teams. Adding the WSU and OSU makes 13. The other teams might decide that splitting the pie 12 ways is a better idea. The days of conferences being dedicated to the betterment of all members look to be over.
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Post by Commissioner on Sept 12, 2023 17:32:05 GMT -5
It would probably be the MWC members, not Oregon St and Wash St, that would decide the fate of San Jose and any other MWC teams deemed weak sisters.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Dec 1, 2023 10:20:56 GMT -5
Earlier this week, the University of Delaware announced they were leaving the CAA and the ranks of the FCS to join Conference USA, effective in 2025.
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Post by motorcitysam on Dec 14, 2023 12:03:26 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Dec 26, 2023 11:38:44 GMT -5
This is going to be interesting. Florida State is suing the ACC over the league's "Grant of Rights" agreement and the exit fee. This is all because the Seminoles want to leave the ACC for more money elsewhere. When FSU was down in football and basketball, they were thankful to be in the ACC, enjoying the benefits brought to the league by more successful program. Now that they've had some basketball success, but especially because the football team is doing well, the University is saying "Screw the rest of you guys" and wants to make more money elsewhere. I don't want to hear anyone criticize college student athletes for chasing money unless they are also calling out the straight up greed of University presidents, athletic directors, coaches, and conference officials. I don't want to hear anyone complaining that athletes aren't willing to "sacrifice for the team" or "put team goals ahead of individual goals". That ship sailed long ago. www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39167937/florida-state-sue-acc-grant-rights-withdrawal-fee
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Post by fan on Dec 26, 2023 16:26:57 GMT -5
FSU has an accelerated opinion of their value in the world of college sports, they think of themselves as another Texas. The Univ of Texas thinks of itself as the center of the college sports world. I guess Alabama is a lot like that. Perhaps all these self-imposed world schools should form the Big Shot League. Maybe we should come up with 10 or 12 schools to be in the BSL............................
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Post by udmperry on Dec 27, 2023 13:19:42 GMT -5
Quoting Sam. “ I don't want to hear anyone criticize college student athletes for chasing money unless they are also calling out the straight up greed of University presidents, athletic directors, coaches, and conference officials. I don't want to hear anyone complaining that athletes aren't willing to "sacrifice for the team" or "put team goals ahead of individual goals". That ship sailed long ago.”
So so true. My thoughts exactly. Well put.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 4, 2024 15:47:51 GMT -5
For a stark example of the impact on realignment, check out the road foes for Stanford and Cal in the ACC next season.
Stanford: Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Pitt, Wake Forest, SMU, Cal.
Cal: Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Pitt, NC State, SMU, Stanford.
Just doesn't seem right.
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Post by titansforever on Mar 4, 2024 18:57:07 GMT -5
Cal me crazy, but our long-term objective should be to be to upgrade the athletic program to the point it merits inclusion in the Big East alongside Creighton, Marquette, Xavier and our other peer Jesuit institutions.
Difficult? No question. Impossible? Who ever thought Butler would be an athletic peer of that group.
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