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Post by JDetroitTitan on Jul 26, 2019 13:51:38 GMT -5
Had some business on campus today and wandered through Calihan, catching the tail-end of a MBB practice session. Looked like all the returning scholarship players (Davis, Brandon, Isiani, Nguidjol, Moore, and Curry) were there plus walk-on Riley. Of the new recruits I recognized Calipari, LaGrand and Pink. A couple players I wasn’t sure of, I think one was possibly Maxwell. There was a shorter guy with a beard, might have been a walk-on from last year. Is it safe to assume that the mystery 7'1 player was not there? As long as we have the post season ban on us nothing is going to come easy. We have limited practice along with a cloud over us when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully we have a strong enough argument to free us from this ban before the end of the seasons. If not we are going to be in the same boat next year.
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Post by ptctitan on Aug 15, 2019 7:17:28 GMT -5
I have heard that Coach Davis spoke in Traverse City earlier this week at an alumni gathering. I was not there; but another person told me about the speech and his interaction afterwards. He thinks we have a good chance to take another big step forward this year. I am told that he said that we have signed another tough non-conference road game against a big name opponent and that we have one more non-conference schedule slot to fill. Also, I am told that he mentioned two new recruits, one 6'11" and the other 6'5". No names, just in general by height. Same message about the APR ban as at the golf outing. No info on who is and is not a walk-on. He said the players have all been practicing hard and working out on their own now. Wily is in much better physical shape and is shooting many, many shots each day. Perhaps, if a poster here was at that event, he/she can confirm, clarify, add or subtract from what I was told.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 8:11:16 GMT -5
I have heard that Coach Davis spoke in Traverse City earlier this week at an alumni gathering. I was not there; but another person told me about the speech and his interaction afterwards. He thinks we have a good chance to take another big step forward this year. I am told that he said that we have signed another tough non-conference road game against a big name opponent and that we have one more non-conference schedule slot to fill. Also, I am told that he mentioned two new recruits, one 6'11" and the other 6'5". No names, just in general by height. Same message about the APR ban as at the golf outing. No info on who is and is not a walk-on. He said the players have all been practicing hard and working out on their own now. Wily is in much better physical shape and is shooting many, many shots each day. Perhaps, if a poster here was at that event, he/she can confirm, clarify, add or subtract from what I was told. Thanks for the info. I wonder if the transfer Barnes is the 6'5" player?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 12:13:43 GMT -5
BTW, according to his twitter account, Jordan Gorman is still a Titan (I'm guessing as a walk-on like last season)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 12:59:21 GMT -5
Not that this interview was for viewing today, but of anyone sees a link to it when they put it up, please post it
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Post by ptctitan on Sept 24, 2019 18:54:08 GMT -5
Sorry hsscout1 -
I'm surprised there was no roster announcement today. Just another announcement about Hoop Night in the D. Hopefully, there will be a roster announcement tomorrow or Thursday. Technically, those two days qualify as being as close as possible to the first day of official practice. Of course, the longer the news is withheld, the more people get interested in the eventual news.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Sept 24, 2019 20:04:25 GMT -5
I heard roster likely by the end of this week. Watched a few minutes of practice tonight, no new big men on the court. It will be interesting to see what come out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 20:28:49 GMT -5
Sorry hsscout1 - I'm surprised there was no roster announcement today. Just another announcement about Hoop Night in the D. Hopefully, there will be a roster announcement tomorrow or Thursday. Technically, those two days qualify as being as close as possible to the first day of official practice. Of course, the longer the news is withheld, the more people get interested in the eventual news. No need to apologize, you've done nothing wrong. However, the basketball program has lost my donation for at least this season. The money that was going to them will now be directed elsewhere. They need to make major improvements in the way they treat their fans before I'll help them out financially and if this continues, they're going to lose me completely.
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Post by ptctitan on Sept 25, 2019 4:25:35 GMT -5
No need to apologize, you've done nothing wrong. However, the basketball program has lost my donation for at least this season. The money that was going to them will now be directed elsewhere. They need to make major improvements in the way they treat their fans before I'll help them out financially and if this continues, they're going to lose me completely. Get out the circular firing squad. Let's shoot ourselves over not knowing the identities of the final 2 or 3 players and the accuracy of Commissioner's projected roster. Before you penalize the team, you might want to discover whether the delay is a decision from the main PR department.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Sept 25, 2019 7:00:48 GMT -5
No need to apologize, you've done nothing wrong. However, the basketball program has lost my donation for at least this season. The money that was going to them will now be directed elsewhere. They need to make major improvements in the way they treat their fans before I'll help them out financially and if this continues, they're going to lose me completely. Get out the circular firing squad. Let's shoot ourselves over not knowing the identities of the final 2 or 3 players and the accuracy of Commissioner's projected roster. Before you penalize the team, you might want to discover whether the delay is a decision from the main PR department. I don’t think you can ascribe the late MBB roster release to “a decision from the main PR department.” The WBB roster has been on the school’s website for quite awhile and there was a PowerPoint presentation on the women players at the last Roundball Luncheon. The timing of the MBB roster announcement appears to be a coaching staff decision and I assume Coach D has some rationale for proceeding that way.
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Post by ptctitan on Sept 25, 2019 7:36:56 GMT -5
Get out the circular firing squad. Let's shoot ourselves over not knowing the identities of the final 2 or 3 players and the accuracy of Commissioner's projected roster. Before you penalize the team, you might want to discover whether the delay is a decision from the main PR department. I don’t think you can ascribe the late MBB roster release to “a decision from the main PR department.” The WBB roster has been on the school’s website for quite awhile and there was a PowerPoint presentation on the women players at the last Roundball Luncheon. The timing of the MBB roster announcement appears to be a coaching staff decision and I assume Coach D has some rationale for proceeding that way. As I posted earlier in this thread, it is my understanding that, as a matter of general principle, the men's BB head coach prefers to release his complete roster at about the same time that official practices begin. Since official practice started yesterday and no roster had been posted before yesterday, it was reasonable to assume that the roster would have been posted yesterday. My comment about the main PR department concerned the timing of the release. It is possible that the roster will be released today or tomorrow now that another PR about Hoop Night has been released. That could have been decided in consultation with the main PR department. Or, it could be linked to LIU's failure to release its own full roster. So, if the roster is released today, tomorrow, or Friday, as you were told was "likely," then this could result from a strategic PR decision as opposed to the head coach's opposition to having the roster released at all. Or, it could be the head coach's decision. Or there could be other reasons. The reason the roster is being released this late compared to most other schools is the coach's decision. The reason the roster is released on a specific day this week could be due to other reasons - including a strategic PR decision made in consultation with the main PR department. I respect scout's decision as to how to give his money. If I were really angry about the timing of the roster release, then I would first ask the coach for the reason before deciding to allocate my contribution to a different sport. If I didn't like the answer, then I'd go ahead and change my allocation. I share scout's frustration. I would just respond differently than him to the issue - especially if we get the roster in the next 48 hours. So, we'll see how things transpire.
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Post by Commissioner on Sept 25, 2019 8:59:21 GMT -5
As someone who has done some fundraising for non-profits and political causes, a few thoughts. Note that I have no idea what Scout gives, nor do I doubt his devotion as a fan nor his sincerity--I'm talking in generalities here, so I'm talking about wisdom of the strategy of withholding donations.
First, fund raisers quickly learn that the people who threaten to withhold contributions unless some particular thing changes are not usually big donors, and often not donors at all. If major donors are going to follow this strategy, they will typically sit down with "management" and voice their concerns. Donations are held out as a carrot, not a stick. People who are truly on board will usually stay on board. Eventually they may get tired, lose their enthusiasm, and leave, but it is rarely possible to identify "the straw that breaks the camel's back."
Second, especially with small donors, for every one who is unhappy, there is one who is happy. Donor A won't give unless we play more home games, but donor B won't give unless we quit scheduling NAIA teams and the likes of Alcorn State. Donor A wants new lights on the field, Donor B a new locker room for the players, Donor C a new scoreboard, etc.
Third, for these reasons, you can't let donors run the show. You care about their opinions, and all things equal try to keep them happy. Most major donors are successful people whose opinions deserve respect whether they were giving or not. Most small donors (at least repeat small donors) are dedicated to the cause, and thus deserve respect, not because they give, but because they care. But you don't change your general plan. You do what you think best (after listening to opinions, of course) and let the chips fall where they may. After all, if you're the fundraiser/staff etc., it's your career that will be determined by your success or failure. You're not going to change to do something that you think is not best.
Four: From a donor perspective, withholding funds rarely accomplishes the goal. First, there are the reasons I've just given. But equally important, the "lesson learned" and response might be quite the opposite form what you expect, i.e. "well, that guy isn't reliable, so we'd better not rely on him anymore." For example, in a political context, say people on left indicate they won't give unless X happens. To their surprise, the candidate/party/group's response might not be to move left, but to move right, looking for new donors. Their attitude might be "these guys on the left are too fickle; we can't count on them."
So basically, it comes down to this: Even the richest people have a limited pile of money to give to charities and other causes. We all have to set priorities. If you care about a cause or program, you should give to it, and not sweat the details (like when the roster comes out). If the delay in the roster bugs you so much that you no longer care about the cause (at least compared to your other causes), then quit giving. But realize that you are not probably not sending a message that the roster should come out earlier; the more likely message is "I don't care about this cause any more." And note that if you do care about the cause, withholding the donation hurts something you care about. There are exceptions, of course--for example, if you believe management is embezzling or totally wasting money. but generally, the way to support a program and make it better is to support the program, not to withhold support.
Our Wright State friend, Big DWSU, says you need the roster out to build season ticket sales. Right. Like there are really potential season ticket buyers saying, "well, I haven't seen the official roster yet, I don't know how many games I want to attend." No. What's marketed to season ticket holders (this year) is "HEY, WE'VE GOT ANTOINE DAVIS, ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING PLAYERS IN COLLEGE BALL!"
Having said all that, I don't understand why we wouldn't get the roster out sooner, at least at the time school starts, especially since the delay apparently does bug some people and it's hard to see much upside in delay. But I don't really get the consternation here, either. We know what we're getting this year. The date of the formal release is just not a big deal.
If you want a better Titan program, withholding your support until they release the roster by August 15 is no way to go. Giving support, so facilities can be upgraded, recruitment expanded, etc. makes a lot more sense. If the lateness of the roster release is really such a big deal that you don't care anymore, well, I guess, more power to ya. See ya later, alligator. It just seems odd to me that one would stick through the Bacari years, or the Sicko years, and then throw in the towel because Davis didn't release the roster on a timely basis.
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Post by motorcitysam on Sept 25, 2019 9:35:09 GMT -5
I am not speaking for Scout or anyone else, but I can see the roster situation being the straw that breaks the camel's back if there were a lot of things that the University had done that someone didn't like. I could come up with a long list myself of decisions that upset me: The name change (obviously), the Gaither affair, forcing JJ on Coach Mac, firing Coach Mac, the results of the "rebrand", the SMD incident, etc. Point being, if you are doing most things right and are generally responsive to your fanbase, withholding a roster for some arbitrary reason probably isn't a big deal. If you are a program that seems to have trouble getting out of its own way sometimes, might be a good idea not to come up with additional ways to frustrate the fanbase.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 10:04:24 GMT -5
Seems like I can't win here or I'm somehow in the wrong. I typically give in the 4 digit range - not huge, but not chump change either. I'm annoyed by the recent years of shoddy play, the whole BA & JJ era, the S*** my D*** incident, the recent academic ineligibility issues, the whole MBM thing, and now the waiting and waiting and waiting for a roster. This rather minor thing has pushed me over the edge, especially since other posters seem to be getting info or have knowledge of a some of the secret info, like the MBM thing, the schedule, info release dates, etc.. Plus, one of the posters put it something like this: - "the Coaches must be amused when they check the board and see all the detective work Scout is doing and how wildly off base his guesses are..". Why should I amuse the staff searching hours every day for a possible 6'5" unannounced player, when they can put out a roster? Why should I be emailing Basketball writers in Egypt and trying to translate languages, etc in an attempt to find out the name of a player who we've heard about since early summer (May?) and now somehow won't even be in uniform until December, if at all? My frustration has boiled over and now we get another delay and it seems like after all the anticipation of a roster release (multiple times), it ends in disappointment again and it seems like the staff just doesn't want to be bothered releasing a roster which should have come out at least a month ago. The only way I can voice my displeasure is not to give this year at all, especially with new fundraising initiatives being introduced. If they call, I will ask for an official in the AD's office and tell them why, but realistically, does anyone really think the average fan can just call Mike Davis this afternoon and he'll answer, talk with you and give you unreleased team info and his thought process/reasoning for doing things? I sense that I've somehow become LivernoisMagic or Titans96 since I'm unhappy with the roster release and my anger has led to me posting my dispeasure, but I don't believe I've done nothing wrong and I know that donating money is not a condition for posting on this board or a measure of fan worthiness. It seems like a poster I really respect has turned on me in recent days and that hurts. As I contemplate, the "see ya later" suggestion, I want to go on record that I remain a Titan fan and whether I remain or not, I wish the team and my fellow die-hards well in the future.
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Post by ptctitan on Sept 25, 2019 10:20:43 GMT -5
Seems like I can't win here or I'm somehow in the wrong. I typically give in the 4 digit range - not huge, but not chump change either. I'm annoyed by the recent years of shoddy play, the whole BA & JJ era, the S*** my D*** incident, the recent academic ineligibility issues, the whole MBM thing, and now the waiting and waiting and waiting for a roster. This rather minor thing has pushed me over the edge, especially since other posters seem to be getting info or have knowledge of a some of the secret info, like the MBM thing, the schedule, info release dates, etc.. Plus, one of the posters put it something like this: - "the Coaches must be amused when they check the board and see all the detective work Scout is doing and how wildly off base his guesses are..". Why should I amuse the staff searching hours every day for a possible 6'5" unannounced player, when they can put out a roster? Why should I be emailing Basketball writers in Egypt and trying to translate languages, etc in an attempt to find out the name of a player who we've heard about since early summer (May?) and now somehow won't even be in uniform until December, if at all? My frustration has boiled over and now we get another delay and it seems like after all the anticipation of a roster release (multiple times), it ends in disappointment again and it seems like the staff just doesn't want to be bothered releasing a roster which should have come out at least a month ago. The only way I can voice my displeasure is not to give this year at all, especially with new fundraising initiatives being introduced. If they call, I will ask for an official in the AD's office and tell them why, but realistically, does anyone really think the average fan can just call Mike Davis this afternoon and he'll answer, talk with you and give you unreleased team info and his thought process/reasoning for doing things? I sense that I've somehow become LivernoisMagic or Titans96 since I'm unhappy with the roster release and my anger has led to me posting my dispeasure, but I don't believe I've done nothing wrong and I know that donating money is not a condition for posting on this board or a measure of fan worthiness. It seems like a poster I really respect has turned on me in recent days and that hurts. As I contemplate, the "see ya later" suggestion, I want to go on record that I remain a Titan fan and whether I remain or not, I wish the team and my fellow die-hards well in the future. You are nowhere close to those blasts from the past. As between us, we just have a minor disagreement over a frustrating thing. We both want to know the players. If we were talking, you'd hear my voice and know that I understand your position and you'd understand that I would deal with the frustration in a different manner. Then, we'd move on to talking about other stuff while enjoying a beer or other libation of choice. Cheers!!!
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