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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 12:53:48 GMT -5
This seems incorrect - worth it to put some money on the Titans
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Post by upbasketballfan on Feb 25, 2021 14:38:30 GMT -5
This seems incorrect - worth it to put some money on the Titans This has to be the preseason odds. RM and UIC are way too high.
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Post by titantarheel on Feb 25, 2021 15:01:12 GMT -5
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Post by Commissioner on Feb 25, 2021 23:05:51 GMT -5
Second round:
#5 Detroit @ #4 Northern Kentucky. These two didn't play during the season. A tough one to predict. Both teams are playing well--The Titans have won 11 of 13, including a win over #1 seed Cleveland State; NKU 8 of 10, including a win over tournament favorite Wright State. I'll be a homer and take the Titans.
#6 Youngstown State @ #3 Oakland. Oakland swept the series in Rochester. I like OU in game 3.
#8 Milwaukee @ #2 Wright State. WSU swept the series in Dayton. Milwaukee played well against IUPUI but you have to figure this as the most likely game to go chalk.
#10 Purdue-Fort Wayne @ #1 Cleveland State. This will be the 5th meeting this year of PFW-CSU, with all 4 at Fort Wayne. CSU has won 3 of 4, so you have to figure them to win at home. But same warning as last round: PFW is a very good shooting team, and especially a good three point shooting team--39.7%, 5th in the nation. Always dangerous.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 1, 2021 14:17:10 GMT -5
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 2, 2021 21:29:05 GMT -5
The HL is getting what it richly deserves tonight. We lose. Wright State loses. Cleveland State going to 3rd OT versus PFW.
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Post by ptctitan on Mar 3, 2021 6:48:20 GMT -5
The league's top two teams in the NCAA's NET lost last night. And they played teams that a seeding formula based upon winning percentage would not have permitted until Indianapolis. Yes, WSU blew a huge lead and we did not keep NKU off the glass on their missed shots - just not the final play. But 3 of the 4 home teams won last night. In a normal year, our winning percentage would have given us the first round bye and a home game last night against YSU. And WSU would have been given #1 seed and a home game against PFW. So, if our conference tournament winner gets a low seed or even a play-in game at #16, the new Commissioner and the competition committee need only look in a mirror to see the people who were the primary causes of this negative development. Yes, they got 4 dramatic games; but all of them were on ESPN+. By Selection Sunday, that drama will be an afterthought as the NCAA selection committee decides where to seed the tournament winner. So, those four schools and their fans get to enjoy March Madness longer. IMO, the HL leadership shot itself in the foot with its seeding formula.
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Post by udballer on Mar 3, 2021 11:55:12 GMT -5
Conferences like ours shoot themselves in the foot having a conference tourney in general. Single bid conferences should go the route of the Ivy League and place their regular season champion in the tourney. If there are co-champs, settle it on the court.
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Post by motorcitysam on Mar 3, 2021 14:46:44 GMT -5
Conferences like ours shoot themselves in the foot having a conference tourney in general. Single bid conferences should go the route of the Ivy League and place their regular season champion in the tourney. If there are co-champs, settle it on the court. Agreed. As we've said before, your regular season conference champion is usually the best indicator of the actual best team in the league, particularly when playing a schedule where every team plays each team twice.
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Post by larrytitan on Mar 3, 2021 16:32:25 GMT -5
The. Ivy League has conducted a tournament for several years to determine their NCAA representative. Four of the eight schools compete. There will be no event this year as the entire season was canceled.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 3, 2021 17:05:28 GMT -5
Conferences like ours shoot themselves in the foot having a conference tourney in general. Single bid conferences should go the route of the Ivy League and place their regular season champion in the tourney. If there are co-champs, settle it on the court. Agreed. As we've said before, your regular season conference champion is usually the best indicator of the actual best team in the league, particularly when playing a schedule where every team plays each team twice. True, but you have to weigh that against the pluses of a tournament. Weren't we really interested in the last two games (which would not have been played at all absent a tournament)? Doesn't the prospect of a tournament keep up fan and player interest, especially for teams in the middle of the standings that can't win the league, but might be able to nab the tournament? You could almost turn the case around. I don't care much who wins the Big 10 tournament because I know who won the conference title in the season, and I know that, with rare exceptions, the tournament doesn't affect who goes to the NCAA. Definitely the regular season champ is usually the best team, but the tournament serves other purposes. BTW, if we'd used regular standings and traditional tie breakers this year, CSU probably still would have been the regular season champ getting the bid, unless we had a one game playoff of them and WSU. So the tournament made it possible to send what probably is our best team--certainly the only team likely to get a seed making a win reasonably likely--this year. The fact that WSU failed isn't a knock on the tournament, at least not this year.
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Post by udballer on Mar 3, 2021 18:28:40 GMT -5
The. Ivy League has conducted a tournament for several years to determine their NCAA representative. Four of the eight schools compete. There will be no event this year as the entire season was canceled. The Ivy has indeed conducted exactly 3 conference tournaments to date, but I think you got my reference. ๐
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Post by udballer on Mar 3, 2021 19:03:27 GMT -5
Definitely the regular season champ is usually the best team, but the tournament serves other purposes. BTW, if we'd used regular standings and traditional tie breakers this year, CSU probably still would have been the regular season champ getting the bid, unless we had a one game playoff of them and WSU. So the tournament made it possible to send what probably is our best team--certainly the only team likely to get a seed making a win reasonably likely--this year. The fact that WSU failed isn't a knock on the tournament, at least not this year. I'm not following the above. Maybe due to a long day at work. Sending the regular season champ (single elimination between CSU and WSU) would ensure our conference's best shot at a decent seed and potential win during March Madness. The current tournament brought us within an Al Eichelberger 27-ft banked 3-pointer from having none of our top 3 teams still alive for the semis. I understand that the above shot has made it possible that one of the top teams goes, but it's also possible that we send Milwaukee, Oakland or Northern Kentucky off to their doom. As a conference, I'd think it would be in our best interest to rack up as many NCAA wins as possible. We used to make some noise in the big tournament... at least those years when our best team also happened to win the conference tourney. The conference isn't nearly as good today, which I think makes it all the more important to send our best. If we want to still have a conf tourney and hang a second banner for that... fine by me.
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Post by Commissioner on Mar 3, 2021 23:57:29 GMT -5
Definitely the regular season champ is usually the best team, but the tournament serves other purposes. BTW, if we'd used regular standings and traditional tie breakers this year, CSU probably still would have been the regular season champ getting the bid, unless we had a one game playoff of them and WSU. So the tournament made it possible to send what probably is our best team--certainly the only team likely to get a seed making a win reasonably likely--this year. The fact that WSU failed isn't a knock on the tournament, at least not this year. I'm not following the above. Maybe due to a long day at work. Sending the regular season champ (single elimination between CSU and WSU) would ensure our conference's best shot at a decent seed and potential win during March Madness. The current tournament brought us within an Al Eichelberger 27-ft banked 3-pointer from having none of our top 3 teams still alive for the semis. I understand that the above shot has made it possible that one of the top teams goes, but it's also possible that we send Milwaukee, Oakland or Northern Kentucky off to their doom. As a conference, I'd think it would be in our best interest to rack up as many NCAA wins as possible. We used to make some noise in the big tournament... at least those years when our best team also happened to win the conference tourney. The conference isn't nearly as good today, which I think makes it all the more important to send our best. If we want to still have a conf tourney and hang a second banner for that... fine by me. What I'm saying is that the only HL team that might get higher than a 15 seed this year--and quite likely better than a 16 seed this year--was Wright State. If we hadn't had a tournament, but just sent the regular season champ this year, that would still not be Wright State, but Cleveland State. The problem is less the tournament than that our league is simply not turning out good teams capable of getting decent seeds and winning games. Against increasing our odds of sending the best team (which also may not be the one playing the best at the season's end), you have to weigh the benefits of the conference tournament, which I think are considerable (which would seem to be supported by the fact that every single one-bid conference has chosen to have a conference tournament).
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Post by udballer on Mar 4, 2021 8:11:26 GMT -5
Now I get what you're saying... I just disagree. ๐
From my comments and by my preference, CSU and WSU would have been Horizon co-champions this year. Ties should be handled on the court to play in to the tournament.
I'd view WSU (with an additional win over CSU) as a 13/14 seed. CSU, with the additional win, most likely a 14/15 seed. Not great by any stretch... but our other 3 candidates left in this tourney are all #16 seeds unless mayhem ensues throughout other conference tournaments. Not only are they #16 seeds... but quite possibly play-in 16's... the worst in the tournament.
If the goal is winning tournament games, then up until that Virginia game in March 2018 the odds of CSU/WSU winning a game was infinitely more likely than one of these other squads.
I do enjoy conference tourneys, so I'd not advocate removing it altogether. I'd also not be opposed to hanging a conf tourney banner at Calihan. I just think it's detrimental to associate it to ticket to entry for March Madness.
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