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Dec 5, 2022 23:57:59 GMT -5
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Post by Rogobob77 on Dec 5, 2022 23:57:59 GMT -5
I think the vast majority of observers would put the WAC ahead of the HL these days. Stone definitely moved down to the HL. WAC used to be something: Air Force Academy, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Utah State, Boise State, BYU, Idaho, Rice, Colorado State, UNLV, New Mexico, San Diego State, San Jose State, SMU, TCU, UTEP, Tulsa, and Wyoming. But what would be the reaction on this board if Detroit Mercy decided to move to the Western Athletic Conference with: Abilene Christian California Baptist Grand Canyon New Mexico State (leaving after this season) Sam Houston State (leaving after this season) Seattle Southern Utah Stephen F. Austin State Tarleton State UT-Arlington Texas Rio Grande Valley (merger of Texas Pan Am, formerly Edinburg University, and UT Brownsville) Utah Tech (formerly Dixie State) Utah Valley Would that be a step up for the Titans? Most of those are not “attractive” names in college basketball circles, and the travel would be clearly crazy. I’m not advocating we join the WAC. But I would argue that if UDM moved from its current membership in the 30th rated conference to the 11th rated conference, it would objectively be a step up. I don’t see how anyone can make the case that transferring from a school (with far better facilities, fan support, recent success) in the 11th ranked conference to a school in the 30th ranked conference is anything but a step down. It’s completely irrelevant who used to be in either conference or that several members of the current WAC are not household names. |
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Dec 6, 2022 0:03:59 GMT -5
Post by nctitan on Dec 6, 2022 0:03:59 GMT -5
If one of our players left for Tarleton State or Utah Tech would we say that student had moved up a level?
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Dec 6, 2022 0:22:51 GMT -5
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Post by Rogobob77 on Dec 6, 2022 0:22:51 GMT -5
If one of our players left for Tarleton State or Utah Tech would we say that student had moved up a level? I would call it essentially a lateral move in terms of the programs involved (Tarleton State currently ranked #75, Utah Tech #114, Detroit Mercy #135), but clearly they would be transferring to a much better (by objective game metric standards) conference. |
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Post by udballer on Dec 6, 2022 8:42:33 GMT -5
I, for one, wouldn't want to see us in the WAC as a personal preference. That said, Rogo is absolutely accurate in his comment that 11 < 30.
I've had that one on a math test before and I'd gotten it correct.
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Dec 6, 2022 9:31:30 GMT -5
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Post by Rogobob77 on Dec 6, 2022 9:31:30 GMT -5
I, for one, wouldn't want to see us in the WAC as a personal preference. That said, Rogo is absolutely accurate in his comment that 11 < 30. I've had that one on a math test before and I'd gotten it correct. I’m even okay with accepting the proposition that the WAC and the Horizon are “essentially equivalent” leagues in the big scheme of things. I just don’t see how you can make the case that the WAC is comparatively a “lower level” conference than the HL given the numbers. |
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Post by fan on Dec 6, 2022 11:21:26 GMT -5
I can't see how the WAC is rated# 11.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Dec 6, 2022 11:24:16 GMT -5
I can't see how the WAC is rated# 11. Science. |
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Post by Rogobob77 on Dec 6, 2022 11:36:44 GMT -5
I can't see how the WAC is rated# 11. Science. Putting mathematical metrics 25% into the season aside, I agree that there isn’t as much difference in the two conferences as the numbers would seem to suggest. But again, there is no way anyone can convince me that in 2022 spacetime the WAC is a lower level league than the Horizon. |
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Dec 6, 2022 12:06:00 GMT -5
Post by Commissioner on Dec 6, 2022 12:06:00 GMT -5
Putting mathematical metrics 25% into the season aside, I agree that there isn’t as much difference in the two conferences as the numbers would seem to suggest. But again, there is no way anyone can convince me that in 2022 spacetime the WAC is a lower level league than the Horizon. This all should probably have its own thread, but... What is interesting (upsetting? alarming? disturbing?) to me is that just a few years ago the WAC -- a muscular conference in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s, until the best schools split off to form the Mountain West--almost imploded. It looked like the conference would not survive. To survive, they took in Chicago State, Texas-Rio Grande Valley, and a bunch of schools new to D-1--Grand Canyon, Bakersfield, Utah Valley. They sprawled all over the country. But those schools have ratcheted up their game, and now appear to have passed us up again. It's tough to swallow that Utah Tech (nee Dixie State), Tarlton State, Abilene Christian, Cal Baptist etc. can form a better conference than the HL. |
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Dec 6, 2022 18:39:50 GMT -5
Post by fan on Dec 6, 2022 18:39:50 GMT -5
77 not lower, but not #11 compared to #30. I can't see that.
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Dec 6, 2022 23:19:48 GMT -5
Post by Commissioner on Dec 6, 2022 23:19:48 GMT -5
The Horizon only began recognizing a "Freshman of the Week" in 2014. In the first six years (through 2019), Titan players won the award 20 times, more than any other team, but none since until Jones this week.
Titan winners:
Matthew Grant, 2014 (1)
Jared Williams, 2014 (1)
Paris Bass, 2015 (4)
Josh McFolly, 2016 (2)
Cory Allen, 2017 (3)
Jermaine Jackson, Jr., 2018 (1)
Antoine Davis, 2019 (7)
Isaiah Jones, 2023 (1 and counting)
All Time Winners by Team
Oakland 25
Northern Kentucky 24
Detroit 20
Wright State 16
UIC 15
Green Bay 14
Cleveland State 10
Valparaiso 9
Youngstown State 6
Milwaukee 4
IUPUI 2
Robert Morris 0
Purdue Fort Wayne 0
Detroit and Northern Kentucky have each had 8 different players win the recognition, more than any other schools.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Jan 23, 2023 21:38:46 GMT -5
Not sure what has happened here? Jones has to contribute more to this team than Parks and Koka. Why is he now lower on the rotation than Houston Pink. WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
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Jan 24, 2023 14:22:38 GMT -5
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Post by joseph75 on Jan 24, 2023 14:22:38 GMT -5
I'm with you on this Up. Makes no sense. For one I am tired of Coach's mantra of we have to get better. If your #342 in defense maybe its time to change an assistant coach IMO.
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Jan 24, 2023 14:46:34 GMT -5
Post by fan on Jan 24, 2023 14:46:34 GMT -5
Changing assistant coaches won't do it, the program needs a house cleaning.
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Jan 27, 2023 22:02:06 GMT -5
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Post by upbasketballfan on Jan 27, 2023 22:02:06 GMT -5
So what is going on with Jones? 3 games in a row no minutes
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