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Post by rbj on May 12, 2023 16:57:30 GMT -5
The Anderson and Liddell situations is why I don't put a lot of emphasis on how much eligibility a potential transfer has. Liddell, Anderson, Stone, and Moss all had the eligibility to play multiple years here. We got one year from Liddell and Anderson. Half a year from Stone. I guess we're still waiting to hear about Parks and Moss, and Stone's potential return for that matter. If I had to bet, I would bet none of them are back, but I might be wrong. Mo Sylla, Kuol, and Akec had multiple years of eligibility and we got a season from each. Waterman had four years of eligibility when he arrived, and left after two. Maybe things settle down in the next couple of years as the Covid bonus years dry up, and if the NCAA is serious about cracking down on waivers. For now, I'm must considering everyone a one year player until they're not. Mid Major D1 schools have turned into to AAA for the Power 5 schools. The NCAA has to tighten up the transfer rules.
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Post by motorcitysam on May 13, 2023 8:50:58 GMT -5
The Anderson and Liddell situations is why I don't put a lot of emphasis on how much eligibility a potential transfer has. Liddell, Anderson, Stone, and Moss all had the eligibility to play multiple years here. We got one year from Liddell and Anderson. Half a year from Stone. I guess we're still waiting to hear about Parks and Moss, and Stone's potential return for that matter. If I had to bet, I would bet none of them are back, but I might be wrong. Mo Sylla, Kuol, and Akec had multiple years of eligibility and we got a season from each. Waterman had four years of eligibility when he arrived, and left after two. Maybe things settle down in the next couple of years as the Covid bonus years dry up, and if the NCAA is serious about cracking down on waivers. For now, I'm must considering everyone a one year player until they're not. Mid Major D1 schools have turned into to AAA for the Power 5 schools. The NCAA has to tighten up the transfer rules. There's been a big change in recent years when it comes to mid major players being pursued and poached by the high majors. It used to be pretty rare, as most high majors didn't seem to want to bring in a mid major guy who had to sit for a year before becoming eligible. Grad transfers and waivers seemed to change this a little; I remember the Cleveland State team that was decimated losing players Junior Lomomba to Providence, Bryn Forbes to Michigan State, Trey Lewis to Louisville, and Anton Grady to Wichita State. I think that was when I really started seeing the writing on the wall. The free transfer year has put things into overdrive, and there's no real downside for the high major. You bring up a kid from a mid major, and if he's more Rashad Williams than Tyson Walker, you can just "encourage" him to leave after the season. The student athlete gets screwed a bit, but that's the other side of the "power to the players" movement. There are consequences. I don't know what the NCAA can or will do to tighten up the transfer rules. The high major schools aren't really being hurt by the way things are going, at least not in the short term, and that's usually who the NCAA caters to when making decisions. But mid majors having to recreate their roster each year isn't a recipe for success.
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Post by fan on May 13, 2023 10:27:33 GMT -5
MCS, the keyword is "student-athlete", that concept has seemed to have disappeared. Back when, if a player could get a "ride" to go to college, you thought he died and went to heaven. But with the AAU system, street agents, shoe money, TV money, streaming, all kind of pro leagues all over the world, NIL, transfers, graduate players, and so on, the genie is out of the bottle. I think it will take some type of scandal like in the 50s or 60s to bring college basketball back down to earth. I think a cloud over the whole thing is the advent of online gambling. The days of some local bookie paying some kid a couple of hundred bucks to miss a foul shot are over, you've got some furniture store owner in Texas betting mega bucks on Super Bowl promotions, college basketball can't be far behind. NIL money or not, gambling money is the elephant in the room it.
Even if they do manage to keep the game "clean", college basketball is in danger of evolving into the NBA. As a basketball ball fan I won't watch regular season NBA games, I don't enjoy watching 10 overpaid guys dogging it for 3 and a half quarters.
One thing is for sure it will be a long while before we see a Butler/Valpo-type run when they had 3 or 4 great years or even a one-and-done St Peter run.
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Post by ptctitan on May 13, 2023 10:35:08 GMT -5
This year, there has also been a significant increase in transfers from power school to power school.
A recruiting dead period starts this coming Thursday the 18th. The next few days will see a last minute surge in on-campus visits and commitments. Players cannot take official or unofficial on-campus visits during a dead period. Afterwards, the quiet period resumes on May 27th and runs until July 5th. No off-campus visits are permitted during a quiet period or a dead period.
Players can announce commitments to schools during the dead period.
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Post by motorcitysam on May 13, 2023 11:15:09 GMT -5
MCS, the keyword is "student-athlete", that concept has seemed to have disappeared. Back when, if a player could get a "ride" to go to college, you thought he died and went to heaven. But with the AAU system, street agents, shoe money, TV money, streaming, all kind of pro leagues all over the world, NIL, transfers, graduate players, and so on, the genie is out of the bottle. I think it will take some type of scandal like in the 50s or 60s to bring college basketball back down to earth. I think a cloud over the whole thing is the advent of online gambling. The days of some local bookie paying some kid a couple of hundred bucks to miss a foul shot are over, you've got some furniture store owner in Texas betting mega bucks on Super Bowl promotions, college basketball can't be far behind. NIL money or not, gambling money is the elephant in the room it. Even if they do manage to keep the game "clean", college basketball is in danger of evolving into the NBA. As a basketball ball fan I won't watch regular season NBA games, I don't enjoy watching 10 overpaid guys dogging it for 3 and a half quarters. One thing is for sure it will be a long while before we see a Butler/Valpo-type run when they had 3 or 4 great years or even a one-and-done St Peter run. When I was playing high school basketball in the early 80s, very few guys seriously thought about playing professionally, and I played against a few guys who played high major ball and a couple of pros. Most were focused on getting that scholarship and going to school for free, saving their parents the expense, and getting a jump on a career. All the factors you mentioned above has changed that mindset; anyone making an all state team is thinking about the pros. Leads to some bad decisions for some players. I used to be a HUGE NBA fan. The pro game is a mess now, in everything from style of play to business operations. The Phoenix Suns signed DeAndre Ayton to a four year/$130 million contract last summer. Now they are trying to trade him because he plays with a lack of fire and effort. There are several situations like that around the league. And how many times can you watch teams play when everyone is basically running the same play over and over, a ball screen for a primary scorer who is just looking for his own shot. It's boring. And that stuff is filtering down to the college game.
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Post by motorcitysam on May 13, 2023 11:32:39 GMT -5
This year, there has also been a significant increase in transfers from power school to power school. A recruiting dead period starts this coming Thursday the 18th. The next few days will see a last minute surge in on-campus visits and commitments. Players cannot take official or unofficial on-campus visits during a dead period. Afterwards, the quiet period resumes on May 27th and runs until July 5th. No off-campus visits are permitted during a quiet period or a dead period. Players can announce commitments to schools during the dead period. That's a good observation. I think it's being driven by NIL. Players shop for a bigger cash payout. Best example out there is Hunter Dickinson, because he openly admitted it rather than claiming he was looking for a better athletic or academic fit. There are others; why else would a guy who was the starting guard at Baylor move over to be the starting guard at Houston? Bringing this back to a Titans perspective, I expect we'll see some commitments before the month of May ends, as players start finding out who was really seriously recruiting them and which schools had them as a plan B or C target. But I also think we will still be working on the roster until August, as some players wait to the last minute, and others are working on graduate requirements in summer school to hit the transfer market as a grad transfer. Going to be a long summer, but I am encouraged that we seem to have four players committed already for next season.
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Post by fan on May 13, 2023 11:36:35 GMT -5
My wife was a designer at a high-end furniture gallery when the Bad Boys were champs, she did the design work for one of the star's homes in Bloomfield Hills. He was a nice enough guy, who was making 34K a game (old money) and it wasn't real money to him, it was just Monopoly Money, and he treated it as such
Remember when indoor Soccer tried to be the next "thing", and it was nothing but an indoor circus, kissing cams, donut races, dogs jumping through hoops, and such, the NBA is today's indoor soccer.
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Post by royaloakdave on May 19, 2023 14:20:09 GMT -5
Assuming T.J. Moss stays, and the transfers enroll; this makes for interesting line up and rotation.
PG LeGreair SG Moss Wing Coleman PF Allen-Tovar C Tehikou
Rotation: Tankersly, Jankovic, & Manciel
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Post by larrytitan on May 19, 2023 19:08:18 GMT -5
I like this rotation. It has size, experience and potential. Time will tell if it has chemistry.
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Post by Commissioner on May 19, 2023 19:38:07 GMT -5
Assuming T.J. Moss stays, and the transfers enroll; this makes for interesting line up and rotation. PG LeGreair SG Moss Wing Coleman PF Allen-Tovar C Tehikou Rotation: Tankersly, Jankovic, & Manciel Moss is no shooting guard, and LeGreair can't score. If Moss returns--a big if--it's more likely he'll be the point and Manciel (assuming he's recovered from his injuries) will be the #2 guard.
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Post by royaloakdave on May 21, 2023 14:00:45 GMT -5
I understand your point on the shooting ability of T.J. Moss however, I really like the experience and basketball IQ that T.J. brings to the table. Regarding the PG position, I believe that LeGreair is our best option; Kyle displayed an excellent assist to turnover ratio in the past season.
Assuming Mark Manciel has fully recovered from injury, he's definitely see plenty of action at SG and on the Wing.
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Post by upbasketballfan on May 21, 2023 14:39:08 GMT -5
I would think Tankersley would be the other guard along with Moss. Moss can score a little but Kyle doesn’t even need to be guarded.
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Post by royaloakdave on May 22, 2023 11:09:04 GMT -5
Any news on where Sonny Johnson stands in terms of recovering from injury?
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Post by motorcitysam on Jun 3, 2023 17:38:43 GMT -5
Any news on where Sonny Johnson stands in terms of recovering from injury? Haven't heard anything, officially or unofficially. Seems like they are keeping his status close to the vest. I really hope he recovers. Healthy Sonny is an impressive player.
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Post by JDetroitTitan on Jun 5, 2023 7:10:40 GMT -5
Any news on where Sonny Johnson stands in terms of recovering from injury? Haven't heard anything, officially or unofficially. Seems like they are keeping his status close to the vest. I really hope he recovers. Healthy Sonny is an impressive player. Talk to Coach last year about Sonny and it appears that he had the same injury that Joey had. Coach thinks that there is high probability he might not come back from it like Joey did. So at this point I am assuming what coach assumed is he won't see the court at all. That in a nut shell is what I got from the talk.
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