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Post by udballer on Jan 4, 2024 22:55:50 GMT -5
Thx. I was scared that something happened. You saving the garbage truck til we go winless? |
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Post by motorcitysam on Jan 4, 2024 22:59:44 GMT -5
Thank you Sam. I’m afraid all this losing has taken its toll on you. Lurker, you're about two exchanges away from your responses sinking to, "I know you are, but what am I?" You're boring me. I will leave you to your misery. Have a day. |
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Post by Commissioner on Jan 4, 2024 23:05:26 GMT -5
Green Bay has a first year head coach and his team will be 4-1 in the Horizon League after tonights victory. Has a Mike Davis team ever been 4-1 in the Horizon League. I doubt it. Titans started 5-1 in league during 2018-19 season, Davis's first as HC. |
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Post by udballer on Jan 4, 2024 23:09:43 GMT -5
Green Bay has a first year head coach and his team will be 4-1 in the Horizon League after tonights victory. Has a Mike Davis team ever been 4-1 in the Horizon League. I doubt it. Titans started 5-1 in league during 2018-19 season, Davis's first as HC. I remember that. It was by far the high point of his tenure. For fun, I just took a look at Coach Ray's record and roster the year he was fired. 16-15 is obviously better than what we are watching... but it was eye-opening how much better that roster looks if you look at it today. My problem (at the time) was Coach Ray's inability to coach a team that played defense. I still feel the same. It was awful to watch. That said, I really miss that guy. |
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Post by rbj on Jan 4, 2024 23:13:30 GMT -5
Green Bay has a first year head coach and his team will be 4-1 in the Horizon League after tonights victory. Has a Mike Davis team ever been 4-1 in the Horizon League. I doubt it. Titans started 5-1 in league during 2018-19 season, Davis's first as HC. Thanks, I dont remember that at all. |
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Post by ptctitan on Jan 5, 2024 7:09:39 GMT -5
About 200 fans in the house. So, actual bodies in the seats were about the sane as Ball State on December 6th and except that more single game tickets were sold/distributed because of the game promotion. |
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Post by lurker on Jan 5, 2024 7:24:19 GMT -5
Thank you Sam. I’m afraid all this losing has taken its toll on you. Lurker, you're about two exchanges away from your responses sinking to, "I know you are, but what am I?" You're boring me. I will leave you to your misery. Have a day. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by Rogobob77 on Jan 5, 2024 8:49:09 GMT -5
About 200 fans in the house. So, actual bodies in the seats were about the sane as Ball State on December 6th and except that more single game tickets were sold/distributed because of the game promotion. I would say that we are down to a core 150 or so old souls that come to most every game, typically augmented by another 50 or so attendees from other groups (e.g., fans of the visiting team). Plus a couple dozen required to be there (pep band, cheer team, ushers, etc.). |
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Post by rbj on Jan 5, 2024 13:25:57 GMT -5
So, actual bodies in the seats were about the sane as Ball State on December 6th and except that more single game tickets were sold/distributed because of the game promotion. I would say that we are down to a core 150 or so old souls that come to most every game, typically augmented by another 50 or so attendees from other groups (e.g., fans of the visiting team). Plus a couple dozen required to be there (pep band, cheer team, ushers, etc.). Thats what happens when you begin every season with all "buy" games. Coach Mike Davis destroyed the small loyal titan fan base with his silly scheduling. Besides knowing that coach Davis is being paid around $600,000 per year, I'm not sure if any "buy" games are tied into his contract. Travis DeCuire the University of Montana's head basketball coach contract initially required him to have at least $86,000 per year in "buy" game revenue which went to the athletic department. His contract was renegotiated and the first $85,000 in buy games revenue now goes directly to him as a bonus. "One change to DeCuire's contract is guaranteed games and the money they draw. DeCuire's previous contract required him to generate $86,000 a year in guaranteed game revenue. Money after that went to DeCuire and his assistants as bonuses. After the first $86,000, the next $120,000 would go to DeCuire, with the next $30,000 going to his assistants. After that, the next $100,000 would go to DeCuire, with the following $15,000 going to the assistants. After that, any remaining revenue would go back to the athletic department. In his new deal, the first $85,000 goes to DeCuire as a bonus from guaranteed games, with the next $45,000 going to his assistants. After that, another $80,000 goes to DeCuire, and everything after that goes back to the athletic department". (MontanaSports.com,2022) Does Mike Davis get any of the "buy" game money? I wanted UofD to pursue DeCuire after Alexander was terminated. DeCuire has never had a losing record at Montana and makes about $185,000 a year. www.montanasports.com/sports/big-sky-conference/montana-grizzlies/a-look-at-travis-decuires-contract-extension-with-the-montana-grizzlies#:~:text=1%20and%20runs%20through%20June,a%20retention%20bonus%20of%20%2450%2C000. |
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Post by ptctitan on Jan 5, 2024 14:00:11 GMT -5
I would say that we are down to a core 150 or so old souls that come to most every game, typically augmented by another 50 or so attendees from other groups (e.g., fans of the visiting team). Plus a couple dozen required to be there (pep band, cheer team, ushers, etc.). Thats what happens when you begin every season with all "buy" games. Coach Mike Davis destroyed the small loyal titan fan base with his silly scheduling. Besides knowing that coach Davis is being paid around $600,000 per year, I'm not sure if any "buy" games are tied into his contract. Travis DeCuire the University of Montana's head basketball coach contract initially required him to have at least $86,000 per year in "buy" game revenue which went to the athletic department. His contract was renegotiated and the first $85,000 in buy games revenue now goes directly to him as a bonus. "One change to DeCuire's contract is guaranteed games and the money they draw. DeCuire's previous contract required him to generate $86,000 a year in guaranteed game revenue. Money after that went to DeCuire and his assistants as bonuses. After the first $86,000, the next $120,000 would go to DeCuire, with the next $30,000 going to his assistants. After that, the next $100,000 would go to DeCuire, with the following $15,000 going to the assistants. After that, any remaining revenue would go back to the athletic department. In his new deal, the first $85,000 goes to DeCuire as a bonus from guaranteed games, with the next $45,000 going to his assistants. After that, another $80,000 goes to DeCuire, and everything after that goes back to the athletic department". (MontanaSports.com,2022) Does Mike Davis get any of the "buy" game money? I wanted UofD to pursue DeCuire after Alexander was terminated. DeCuire has never had a losing record at Montana and makes about $185,000 a year. www.montanasports.com/sports/big-sky-conference/montana-grizzlies/a-look-at-travis-decuires-contract-extension-with-the-montana-grizzlies#:~:text=1%20and%20runs%20through%20June,a%20retention%20bonus%20of%20%2450%2C000. Maybe we did, and DeCure didn't want to leave for us even with more money. |
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Post by motorcitysam on Jan 5, 2024 16:26:38 GMT -5
Thats what happens when you begin every season with all "buy" games. Coach Mike Davis destroyed the small loyal titan fan base with his silly scheduling. Besides knowing that coach Davis is being paid around $600,000 per year, I'm not sure if any "buy" games are tied into his contract. Travis DeCuire the University of Montana's head basketball coach contract initially required him to have at least $86,000 per year in "buy" game revenue which went to the athletic department. His contract was renegotiated and the first $85,000 in buy games revenue now goes directly to him as a bonus. "One change to DeCuire's contract is guaranteed games and the money they draw. DeCuire's previous contract required him to generate $86,000 a year in guaranteed game revenue. Money after that went to DeCuire and his assistants as bonuses. After the first $86,000, the next $120,000 would go to DeCuire, with the next $30,000 going to his assistants. After that, the next $100,000 would go to DeCuire, with the following $15,000 going to the assistants. After that, any remaining revenue would go back to the athletic department. In his new deal, the first $85,000 goes to DeCuire as a bonus from guaranteed games, with the next $45,000 going to his assistants. After that, another $80,000 goes to DeCuire, and everything after that goes back to the athletic department". (MontanaSports.com,2022) Does Mike Davis get any of the "buy" game money? I wanted UofD to pursue DeCuire after Alexander was terminated. DeCuire has never had a losing record at Montana and makes about $185,000 a year. www.montanasports.com/sports/big-sky-conference/montana-grizzlies/a-look-at-travis-decuires-contract-extension-with-the-montana-grizzlies#:~:text=1%20and%20runs%20through%20June,a%20retention%20bonus%20of%20%2450%2C000. Maybe we did, and DeCure didn't want to leave for us even with more money. I don't know if that's what happened, but if the Titans did offer, I could see DeCuire, and most other successful D1 coaches turning us down. Unless, of course, we threw a bunch of money at them. |
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Post by lurker on Jan 5, 2024 16:51:13 GMT -5
Maybe we did, and DeCure didn't want to leave for us even with more money. I don't know if that's what happened, but if the Titans did offer, I could see DeCuire, and most other successful D1 coaches turning us down. Unless, of course, we threw a bunch of money at them. I disagree. I think there are a lot of successful D1 coaches that would be happy accepting and making what Davis makes. |
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Post by ptctitan on Jan 5, 2024 18:02:26 GMT -5
rbj - I read the article you linked. Actually, DeCure earns about $440,000 per year from base salary, annual retention bonuses, buy game money, and appearance and academic bonuses. On top of that, he could earn up to about another $50,000 from incentive bonuses for attendance and for making the NIT or NCAA.
Davis' annual compensation here has varied from about $400-600K depending upon the year. And, yes, from what I understand, Davis has a similarly structured contract here. Davis' total compensation reported on a Form 990 includes all of the incentives he gets paid here, including buy game money.
Therefore, my opinion is that if DeCure were interested in moving back east to coach us (remember he is a Seattle native), it would take at least as much compensation as we now pay Davis to convince him to coach here. Also, DeCure's contract requires that he pay Montana the lesser of $250K or the pro rata share of his base compensation remaining due under the contract if he leaves early. Therefore, UDM would likely have to add another $250K incentive bonus to him upfront to get him to come here as of July 1, 2024 plus any remaining contractual obligation to Davis if he still has a year left on his contract. It would likely cost us about $1 million to hire DeCure this Spring.
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Post by titansforever on Jan 5, 2024 18:23:34 GMT -5
Just a WAG here, but I think Phil Martelli has enough of an ego and is still pissed about the way his head-coaching career ended at St. Joe's that he would take the job if offered. He's 70 (or so) but still seems to have a lot of energy and has to have a lot of input at UM. He's undoubtedly making good money in Ann Arbor, but he's not "the guy." That's where the ego plays in.
He brings Phil Jr. (now the associate head coach at Bryant) on as his top assistant, with the understanding that if they have success Jr. succeeds him when he's ready to step down. This worked great at Washington State when the Cougars resurrected Dick Bennett's career and he handed off to Tony.
Many, if not all, here know more about UDM's situation than I do; I'm a fan but an outsider. But it's pretty obvious what has been happening can't go on for another season.
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Post by rbj on Jan 5, 2024 20:06:16 GMT -5
rbj - I read the article you linked. Actually, DeCure earns about $440,000 per year from base salary, annual retention bonuses, buy game money, and appearance and academic bonuses. On top of that, he could earn up to about another $50,000 from incentive bonuses for attendance and for making the NIT or NCAA. Davis' annual compensation here has varied from about $400-600K depending upon the year. And, yes, from what I understand, Davis has a similarly structured contract here. Davis' total compensation reported on a Form 990 includes all of the incentives he gets paid here, including buy game money. Therefore, my opinion is that if DeCure were interested in moving back east to coach us (remember he is a Seattle native), it would take at least as much compensation as we now pay Davis to convince him to coach here. Also, DeCure's contract requires that he pay Montana the lesser of $250K or the pro rata share of his base compensation remaining due under the contract if he leaves early. Therefore, UDM would likely have to add another $250K incentive bonus to him upfront to get him to come here as of July 1, 2024 plus any remaining contractual obligation to Davis if he still has a year left on his contract. It would likely cost us about $1 million to hire DeCure this Spring. I'm not sure where you got the $440,000 in base salary from, the article I posted states that his base salary is that his base salary is $185,711. I wanted UofD to look at him when we hired Mike Davis, I think we are to far in the depths to interest a coach of his caliber at this time, the rebuild is going to be tremendous, I'm not an ageist but I think we need an energetic coach under the age of 50. Ferris States Andy Bronkema would be a guy I would target. He won a D2 title a few years ago and FSU has started the season @ 11-2. We have one common opponent this season...Toledo. They beat Ferris by 31 points and they beat UofD by 34. "DeCuire's base salary increased to $185,711 from $180,000 in his previous deal. If he remains employed by UM on July 1 of every year of the contract, he'll receive a retention bonus of $50,000". |
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