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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 11, 2024 11:24:46 GMT -5
It's my understanding that Stone and Tank are gone. high major NIL money I certainly expected that. I didn't necessarily think "high major", but I knew there would be more lucrative options out there for them. |
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 11, 2024 11:30:06 GMT -5
8=10 recruits coming in this weekend as the dead period ends today.
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 11, 2024 11:51:34 GMT -5
It's my understanding that Stone and Tank are gone. high major NIL money I certainly expected that. I didn't necessarily think "high major", but I knew there would be more lucrative options out there for them. Me, too. And this will be the case every year until we can provide meaningful NIL. If Oaks, for example, comes back and develops into a solid (but hardly spectacular) big man, he'll have NIL offers. If Hurst comes back and plays injury free, averaging 12 points and shooting 36% on threes, he'll have NIL offers. When I have some time, I might write out some longer thoughts, but bottom line is grim--I think mid-major hoops are doomed in their present form. High major basketball is now essentially a professional league, and there's no real reason to expect that to keep being disguised for long as NIL. There may soon come a time when going D-3 will not be the end of Titan hoops, but rather a new beginning, with a return to amateur roots in an amateur league--and we won't be alone, but instead joined by 150 other "D-1" institutions. |
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Post by royaloakdave on Apr 11, 2024 13:42:55 GMT -5
I believe a handful of players from last season will be on the 2024-25 roster. I'm thinking it's a real possibility we'll see these 5 players in a Titans uniform in 2024-25.
Ryan Hurst
Alex Tchikou
Mak Manciel
Michael Oaks
Emmanuel Kuac
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 11, 2024 13:57:56 GMT -5
8=10 recruits coming in this weekend as the dead period ends today. That's encouraging. |
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 11, 2024 18:02:33 GMT -5
I certainly expected that. I didn't necessarily think "high major", but I knew there would be more lucrative options out there for them. Me, too. And this will be the case every year until we can provide meaningful NIL. If Oaks, for example, comes back and develops into a solid (but hardly spectacular) big man, he'll have NIL offers. If Hurst comes back and plays injury free, averaging 12 points and shooting 36% on threes, he'll have NIL offers. When I have some time, I might write out some longer thoughts, but bottom line is grim--I think mid-major hoops are doomed in their present form. High major basketball is now essentially a professional league, and there's no real reason to expect that to keep being disguised for long as NIL. There may soon come a time when going D-3 will not be the end of Titan hoops, but rather a new beginning, with a return to amateur roots in an amateur league--and we won't be alone, but instead joined by 150 other "D-1" institutions. NIL is a problem this year because there are still several hundred players out there with a Covid year. Their ages and experience give them more NIL value. The other thing driving up NIL values this year is the lack of an enforceable waiver policy for 2nd time undergrad transfers. Once that gets worked out, transfers like Stone will have lower NIL value because they will have to sit out a year. Also, the NBA is folding the G-League Ignite for high schoolers who don't want to go to college. This will increase the supply of younger, less valuable players. Most of the deals you are reading about are multi-year 6-figure deals. But the collectives are now including buyouts and other provisions that terminate the deal for various reasons like academics or discipline. A player not playing is not worth all that much if a contract ever went to court. This year, in particular, a lot of players were advised to transfer because of the injunction against the NCAA waiver policy and the likelihood that Congress will pass regulatory legislation that will enable the NCAA in some form to still regulate transfers. Once transfers are regulated again, then NIL values will decline because the Covid players will be gone. Also, it's unlikely that players will unionize because that would give every foreign player a visa problem. They can't work on student visas. Thus, they could not even play basketball here without NIL. In conclusion, I'd like to thank that incompetently greedy b***ard Mark Emmert for causing this mess by thinking he could use players' names and images on a video game and not have to pay them for it. And Commissioner, the solution for mid-majors is to find AD's that can apply the principles of the Tampa Bay Rays MLB team to their mid-major programs. |
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Post by rc on Apr 11, 2024 18:07:02 GMT -5
I certainly expected that. I didn't necessarily think "high major", but I knew there would be more lucrative options out there for them. Me, too. And this will be the case every year until we can provide meaningful NIL. If Oaks, for example, comes back and develops into a solid (but hardly spectacular) big man, he'll have NIL offers. If Hurst comes back and plays injury free, averaging 12 points and shooting 36% on threes, he'll have NIL offers. When I have some time, I might write out some longer thoughts, but bottom line is grim--I think mid-major hoops are doomed in their present form. High major basketball is now essentially a professional league, and there's no real reason to expect that to keep being disguised for long as NIL. There may soon come a time when going D-3 will not be the end of Titan hoops, but rather a new beginning, with a return to amateur roots in an amateur league--and we won't be alone, but instead joined by 150 other "D-1" institutions. Commish: so you don’t think a school like Detroit will be able to put together meaningful NIL money to stay (or in our case) become competitive at our own low major level? These 150 schools you mention, do you think the MAC schools would be in that list? What about schools like St Bonny and Duquesne (I consider them a level above us but that we could possibly catch up to in time). Thoughts? |
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Post by rc on Apr 11, 2024 18:15:47 GMT -5
Me, too. And this will be the case every year until we can provide meaningful NIL. If Oaks, for example, comes back and develops into a solid (but hardly spectacular) big man, he'll have NIL offers. If Hurst comes back and plays injury free, averaging 12 points and shooting 36% on threes, he'll have NIL offers. When I have some time, I might write out some longer thoughts, but bottom line is grim--I think mid-major hoops are doomed in their present form. High major basketball is now essentially a professional league, and there's no real reason to expect that to keep being disguised for long as NIL. There may soon come a time when going D-3 will not be the end of Titan hoops, but rather a new beginning, with a return to amateur roots in an amateur league--and we won't be alone, but instead joined by 150 other "D-1" institutions. NIL is a problem this year because there are still several hundred players out there with a Covid year. Their ages and experience give them more NIL value. The other thing driving up NIL values this year is the lack of an enforceable waiver policy for 2nd time undergrad transfers. Once that gets worked out, transfers like Stone will have lower NIL value because they will have to sit out a year. Also, the NBA is folding the G-League Ignite for high schoolers who don't want to go to college. This will increase the supply of younger, less valuable players. Most of the deals you are reading about are multi-year 6-figure deals. But the collectives are now including buyouts and other provisions that terminate the deal for various reasons like academics or discipline. A player not playing is not worth all that much if a contract ever went to court. This year, in particular, a lot of players were advised to transfer because of the injunction against the NCAA waiver policy and the likelihood that Congress will pass regulatory legislation that will enable the NCAA in some form to still regulate transfers. Once transfers are regulated again, then NIL values will decline because the Covid players will be gone. Also, it's unlikely that players will unionize because that would give every foreign player a visa problem. They can't work on student visas. Thus, they could not even play basketball here without NIL. In conclusion, I'd like to thank that incompetently greedy b***ard Mark Emmert for causing this mess by thinking he could use players' names and images on a video game and not have to pay them for it. And Commissioner, the solution for mid-majors is to find AD's that can apply the principles of the Tampa Bay Rays MLB team to their mid-major programs. PC you seem so knowledgeable on this I have to ask. Do NIL dollars work their way down to the lower bench players on the major P5 conference teams? Or is there a point that bench players don’t get the bucks? Also, can a university just fundraise for NIL dollars such as fundraising for an endowment? Can a donor commit “endowment” money to fund the NIL? What about programs like soccer or lacrosse? Do players on non-revenue sports get NIL money at the bigger schools also? Thanks! |
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Post by ptctitan on Apr 12, 2024 6:25:13 GMT -5
PC you seem so knowledgeable on this I have to ask. Do NIL dollars work their way down to the lower bench players on the major P5 conference teams? Or is there a point that bench players don’t get the bucks? Also, can a university just fundraise for NIL dollars such as fundraising for an endowment? Can a donor commit “endowment” money to fund the NIL? What about programs like soccer or lacrosse? Do players on non-revenue sports get NIL money at the bigger schools also? Thanks! Right now, NIL operates outside of the university. Any player on any team can contract directly with anyone to receive NIL payments. These are business contracts between player and advertiser. NIL is not a donation to the university. It is a business contract between the player and the sponsor. Universities do not fundraise for NIL. So, no, you cannot endow NIL through the university. You could endow NIL through our collective which is a privately owned and operated business separate from UDM. Or you could just work directly with a player. Any player on any team can license his or her Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) and earn money from those deals. |
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Post by rc on Apr 12, 2024 9:32:45 GMT -5
Right now, NIL operates outside of the university. Any player on any team can contract directly with anyone to receive NIL payments. These are business contracts between player and advertiser.
NIL is not a donation to the university. It is a business contract between the player and the sponsor. Universities do not fundraise for NIL. So, no, you cannot endow NIL through the university. You could endow NIL through our collective which is a privately owned and operated business separate from UDM. Or you could just work directly with a player.
Any player on any team can license his or her Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) and earn money from those deals. [/quote]
So we have our own NIL collective at UDM? How does one contribute?
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Post by Rogobob77 on Apr 12, 2024 10:39:04 GMT -5
Right now, NIL operates outside of the university. Any player on any team can contract directly with anyone to receive NIL payments. These are business contracts between player and advertiser. NIL is not a donation to the university. It is a business contract between the player and the sponsor. Universities do not fundraise for NIL. So, no, you cannot endow NIL through the university. You could endow NIL through our collective which is a privately owned and operated business separate from UDM. Or you could just work directly with a player. Any player on any team can license his or her Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) and earn money from those deals. So we have our own NIL collective at UDM? How does one contribute?[/quote] Yes, here's the link: theshieldnil.org/ |
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 12, 2024 11:07:56 GMT -5
Me, too. And this will be the case every year until we can provide meaningful NIL. If Oaks, for example, comes back and develops into a solid (but hardly spectacular) big man, he'll have NIL offers. If Hurst comes back and plays injury free, averaging 12 points and shooting 36% on threes, he'll have NIL offers. When I have some time, I might write out some longer thoughts, but bottom line is grim--I think mid-major hoops are doomed in their present form. High major basketball is now essentially a professional league, and there's no real reason to expect that to keep being disguised for long as NIL. There may soon come a time when going D-3 will not be the end of Titan hoops, but rather a new beginning, with a return to amateur roots in an amateur league--and we won't be alone, but instead joined by 150 other "D-1" institutions. NIL is a problem this year because there are still several hundred players out there with a Covid year. Their ages and experience give them more NIL value. The other thing driving up NIL values this year is the lack of an enforceable waiver policy for 2nd time undergrad transfers. Once that gets worked out, transfers like Stone will have lower NIL value because they will have to sit out a year. Also, the NBA is folding the G-League Ignite for high schoolers who don't want to go to college. This will increase the supply of younger, less valuable players. Most of the deals you are reading about are multi-year 6-figure deals. But the collectives are now including buyouts and other provisions that terminate the deal for various reasons like academics or discipline. A player not playing is not worth all that much if a contract ever went to court. This year, in particular, a lot of players were advised to transfer because of the injunction against the NCAA waiver policy and the likelihood that Congress will pass regulatory legislation that will enable the NCAA in some form to still regulate transfers. Once transfers are regulated again, then NIL values will decline because the Covid players will be gone. Also, it's unlikely that players will unionize because that would give every foreign player a visa problem. They can't work on student visas. Thus, they could not even play basketball here without NIL. In conclusion, I'd like to thank that incompetently greedy b***ard Mark Emmert for causing this mess by thinking he could use players' names and images on a video game and not have to pay them for it. And Commissioner, the solution for mid-majors is to find AD's that can apply the principles of the Tampa Bay Rays MLB team to their mid-major programs. I think NIL is going to be a problem for mid majors even after the Covid year. Their will be fewer players in the in the pool, and I think that will result in the schools with money snatching up some players who maybe wouldn't have been a target of theirs when there was a larger pool to pick from. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my worry. |
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Post by rc on Apr 12, 2024 14:22:05 GMT -5
I just made a monthly contribution! I hope it’s well spent on some big time recruits as I have no idea how the distributions occur or who’s in charge!!
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Post by calihanmole on Apr 14, 2024 9:43:32 GMT -5
Thinking more about Montgomery’s comment about how NIU hasn’t “done anything” since he left, I’m actually more OK with it. I guess he has something to prove.
Although, if Montgomery is going to dish it out like that, he better back it up. Montgomery was fired during the 20-21 season after a 1-7 start, and one of his assistants finished out the season. NIU went on to hire Rashon Burno. In his first three seasons, Burno has gone 9-21, 13-19, and 11-20.
It’s not apples to apples, but if Montgomery is going to trash talk like that, I think most people would agree that by season 2 (3 at the very latest), he will need to have some significant accomplishment. How significant that needs to be is debatable. But if Montgomery can’t get the Titans to at least be a winning team by season 3, he will look quite the fool.
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Post by hyperion on Apr 14, 2024 9:57:31 GMT -5
Thinking more about Montgomery’s comment about how NIU hasn’t “done anything” since he left, I’m actually more OK with it. I guess he has something to prove. Although, if Montgomery is going to dish it out like that, he better back it up. Montgomery was fired during the 20-21 season after a 1-7 start, and one of his assistants finished out the season. NIU went on to hire Rashon Burno. In his first three seasons, Burno has gone 9-21, 13-19, and 11-20. It’s not apples to apples, but if Montgomery is going to trash talk like that, I think most people would agree that by season 2 (3 at the very latest), he will need to have some significant accomplishment. How significant that needs to be is debatable. But if Montgomery can’t get the Titans to at least be a winning team by season 3, he will look quite the fool. Hey Mole, you had me curious and made me watch this on YouTube. If you watch the way he says it, it’s lighthearted and timely. More funny than concerning. I admire Coach Monty’s style and have a feeling he will find quick success here. |
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