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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 25, 2014 9:22:42 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 28, 2014 9:48:08 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Aug 29, 2014 9:32:37 GMT -5
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Post by Commissioner on Sept 2, 2014 21:59:05 GMT -5
But this is misleading. I counted 226 players dropping out of D-I and another 82 with no new school yet - meaning they are also likely to drop from D-I. (All these numbers are rough - I counted quickly so I could easily be off by 3 or 4 in each category, which wouldn't affect the point). Indeed, the latter 82 contains quite a few players who graduated with eligibility. They may have just decided to get on with life. The list also includes several walk-ons, I while if they transfer I suppose it's a transfer, that's really not quite what most of us think about as being a problem for fans and coaches. And it includes at least a few guys booted from their teams for disciplinary reasons or off court conduct, such as Dominic Artis, Brandon Austin, and Damyean Dotson of Oregon. All that's not counting mid-year transfers. Midyear transfers add another 15 leaving for non-DI schools, and 10 with no reported destination. In other words, transfers within D-I aren't that common, and a lot of those are players dropping down for more PT. Altogether, that's roughly half the list that is not transferring within D-I, but basically washing out of D-I. Of course, this may be new - it may be that coaches are more aggressive about urging kids to move on, or simply refusing to renew scholarships, in order to free up another scholarship for someone who might contribute more. There are definitely more transfers than 25 years ago, when it was much more rare, or 50 years ago, when it was almost unheard of. But the numbers are being overblown, I think.
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Post by motorcitysam on Sept 3, 2014 7:55:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the analysis, Commish.
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Post by pathfinder on Sept 3, 2014 11:51:52 GMT -5
But this is misleading. I counted 226 players dropping out of D-I and another 82 with no new school yet - meaning they are also likely to drop from D-I. (All these numbers are rough - I counted quickly so I could easily be off by 3 or 4 in each category, which wouldn't affect the point). Indeed, the latter 82 contains quite a few players who graduated with eligibility. They may have just decided to get on with life. The list also includes several walk-ons, I while if they transfer I suppose it's a transfer, that's really not quite what most of us think about as being a problem for fans and coaches. And it includes at least a few guys booted from their teams for disciplinary reasons or off court conduct, such as Dominic Artis, Brandon Austin, and Damyean Dotson of Oregon. All that's not counting mid-year transfers. Midyear transfers add another 15 leaving for non-DI schools, and 10 with no reported destination. In other words, transfers within D-I aren't that common, and a lot of those are players dropping down for more PT. Altogether, that's roughly half the list that is not transferring within D-I, but basically washing out of D-I. Of course, this may be new - it may be that coaches are more aggressive about urging kids to move on, or simply refusing to renew scholarships, in order to free up another scholarship for someone who might contribute more. There are definitely more transfers than 25 years ago, when it was much more rare, or 50 years ago, when it was almost unheard of. But the numbers are being overblown, I think. How do you know it was more rare 25 years ago if no one was keeping track?
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Post by motorcitysam on Sept 3, 2014 15:59:49 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Oct 14, 2014 13:43:16 GMT -5
Phil Martelli expresses his thoughts on transferring. I think a lot of coaches at the mid major level feel the same way.
Jeff Borzello @jeffborzello 12m12 minutes ago Phil Martelli is against a free agency-type of transfer rule, where guys can easily get poached. "A transfer rule scares the hell out of me"
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Post by motorcitysam on Oct 20, 2014 14:55:59 GMT -5
Not only are there more transfers, but they also seem to be coming at strange times. Kansas state redshirt freshman forward James Karapetyan has announced he is transferring. He played in only seven games last season scoring a total of two point. He received a medical hardship waiver from the NCAA. Rivals listed him as a three star in high school, but KSU was his only high major offer. He'll probably be welcomed by someone in the mid major ranks, but it seems like he would have been better off just transferring immediately after the season or in the summer. He reportedly will stay at KSU through the Fall semester.
He's an LA kid, so my guess is that he ends up at a West Coast mid major.
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Post by motorcitysam on Oct 30, 2014 9:18:05 GMT -5
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Post by larrytitan on Oct 30, 2014 9:40:49 GMT -5
Many HS athletes select the highest rated (prestigious) team or program that offers them. Often, they become the last man on the bench. A year or two later, they are looking to transfer "down". Remember....we are dealing with 18-20 yr olds.
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Post by larrytitan on Oct 30, 2014 9:42:32 GMT -5
Why am I Eric Agardy? I didn't select him.Can I select a different Titan. I would prefer Ralph Brisker. Does anyone remember Ralph?
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Post by motorcitysam on Oct 30, 2014 10:16:42 GMT -5
Many HS athletes select the highest rated (prestigious) team or program that offers them. Often, they become the last man on the bench. A year or two later, they are looking to transfer "down". Remember....we are dealing with 18-20 yr olds. Very true, Larry. We've got two guys on the roster now in Jenkins and Kearney who would probably have been better off coming to U of D directly out of high school rather than losing time at Colorado, ASU, etc. Like you said, they're kids and are going to get caught up in the hype of playing at a big program. I like that the past three classes have seen us bring in some good local high school players, and hopefully that trend continues and we start getting more of the players that tend to go the high major route. Also, if we continue to get transfers, hopefully they don't wait three years before deciding to come back home. :-)
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Post by Commissioner on Oct 30, 2014 11:16:47 GMT -5
Why am I Eric Agardy? I didn't select him.Can I select a different Titan. I would prefer Ralph Brisker. Does anyone remember Ralph? You don't wanna be Eric Agardy? Shame on you. These are just levels I set up when I first set up the site; after a few more posts you move to "Iyapo Montgomery," and on up the ladder until you reach "Dave DeBusschere." Maybe it's time to change them. Certainly nice to honor Rapid Ralph!
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Post by motorcitysam on Oct 31, 2014 11:55:35 GMT -5
In another case of strange timing, Kansas announced that sophomore guard Conner Frankamp is transferring. Not sure how that decision is made over the summer right before the season starts, but my suspicion is that Conner got passed up on the depth chart by his fellow sophomore guard and the freshman guard they brought in the class of 2014 and decided to look for an opportunity with more playing time. He played sparingly last season, but did score double figures in the last two games of the year.
Conner was a top 50 recruit in the class of 2013 and it is expected that he will have interest from a lot of high major programs.
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