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Post by Rogobob77 on Jun 28, 2022 18:06:05 GMT -5
I would have never guessed that Dixie St. was in Utah. Assumed it was in the deep south. Kudos to their administration for the bold switch in name/branding.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jun 28, 2022 18:12:50 GMT -5
I would have never guessed that Dixie St. was in Utah. Assumed it was in the deep south. Kudos to their administration for the bold switch in name/branding. I assumed it was Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, something like that. If I was asked to guess, it would have been a long time before I named Utah. The administration listened to their stakeholders and decided that something like Utah Tech Dixie wouldn't be good enough. Good for them.
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Post by Commissioner on Jun 28, 2022 21:13:35 GMT -5
I would have never guessed that Dixie St. was in Utah. Assumed it was in the deep south. Kudos to their administration for the bold switch in name/branding. And now you know where to find the Dixie National Forest.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Jun 30, 2022 14:53:42 GMT -5
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Post by motorcitysam on Jun 30, 2022 15:18:42 GMT -5
In an historic move that would change the landscape of college sports on the West Coast, USC and UCLA are planning to depart the Pac-12 for the Big Ten as early as 2024, according to a source. I understand that money is driving everything related to these conference moves, but this one doesn't make sense to me. Is it the anticipated television revenue that is the incentive for UCLA and USC? Because everything else about the move seems to be a negative. You lose your traditional rivalries, it makes no georgraphic sense, most of your opponents will be two or three time zones away. To me, this makes less sense than Texas and Oklahoma leaving the Big 12 for the SEC. Texas and Oklahoma were the power brokers of the Big 12, but won't be on that level in the SEC. UCLA and USC are the media and recruiting hubs for the PAC 12. Why give that up? www.mercurynews.com/2022/06/30/pac-12-on-the-brink-usc-and-ucla-expected-to-seek-membership-in-the-big-ten/
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Post by Rogobob77 on Jun 30, 2022 15:58:38 GMT -5
In an historic move that would change the landscape of college sports on the West Coast, USC and UCLA are planning to depart the Pac-12 for the Big Ten as early as 2024, according to a source. I understand that money is driving everything related to these conference moves, but this one doesn't make sense to me. Is it the anticipated television revenue that is the incentive for UCLA and USC? Because everything else about the move seems to be a negative. You lose your traditional rivalries, it makes no georgraphic sense, most of your opponents will be two or three time zones away. To me, this makes less sense than Texas and Oklahoma leaving the Big 12 for the SEC. Texas and Oklahoma were the power brokers of the Big 12, but won't be on that level in the SEC. UCLA and USC are the media and recruiting hubs for the PAC 12. Why give that up? www.mercurynews.com/2022/06/30/pac-12-on-the-brink-usc-and-ucla-expected-to-seek-membership-in-the-big-ten/Clearly the structure of D1 membership is going to look quite different five years down the line. Not sure what will happen to the shape of the NCAA basketball tournament, but I bet it will be significantly altered. Can only guess what will be the fate of the 300 or so current D1 “little schools” like UDM in the big scheme of college athletics, but should be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jul 3, 2022 18:33:00 GMT -5
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Post by happy on Jul 3, 2022 20:05:58 GMT -5
Wild week ahead for the Big 12 and the PAC 12.
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Post by Commissioner on Jul 4, 2022 7:13:16 GMT -5
Here’s a piece that looks at it purely from a football perspective, but which I think is basically correct. I always opposed the football BCS and now the playoff. Basketball is different—the tournament is part of the tradition, and lends itself to hoops better than to football. But that aside, I think you see the same failure to appreciate tradition, local rivalries, and more. There’s only a passing swipe at NIL, but who can deny that part of the appeal of college sports is the notion of *student*-athletes, not pros, even if that notion has a substantial mythical component. Anyway, worth reading, and lessons that can apply to hoops as well as football. www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2022/07/02/the_slow-motion_suicide_of_college_football_840502.html?fbclid=IwAR0xkvFV6kDrvDXZ6Zrl_G8p_CzQYfsmnvZOYdAr31zpT2RHAp3lwmTnXYU
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Post by fan on Jul 4, 2022 12:24:50 GMT -5
Football is King, any Fall weekend there are tens of thousands of people at Friday night HS games, Saturday college games, and Pro games on Sunday, plus the weekday games. It was only a matter of time before King football, especially with the advent of legal Sports Books, stepped up and organized college football into a national money-making machine. College football can have league play coast to coast, it's the minor non-revenue sports that are a issue. We'll never have, say a Maryland sending its crew team to LA in 2 vans and back. The Big 10 will be able to afford the cost in dollars for airfare for minor sports, but in time the non-revenue teams could be away from school too long, and that will be a concern. What likely will happen, is schools will join localized leagues for minor sports for most non-revenue sports, like the UDM for Lacrosse.
The NCAA kind of lost its hold on the member schools, perhaps by its iron fist control over the schools hurt them, they could only push the Alabama and Ohio States of the world so far. The NCAA's most successful event has been the March Madness Tournament, and that will continue, kind of like a giant AAU Tournament. Perhaps they expand it, maybe like HS playoffs where all the schools play, I can see all 300+ D1 schools in the Tournament, it would only add another round or 2 and for these first-round games the whole basketball world would be looking for the next St Peter, plus the UDM would get another chance to shine.
Going forward I can see the Big 10 adding Sanford, maybe Az and if they could ND, I think the ACC is wounded, and the SEC could add FL State and go right up the coast, maybe to NC, Duke would be a nice addition to the BIG 10. Next question is would these major college leagues push out schools that don't perform or spend the money to perform like Rutgers in the BIG 10 or Vanderbilt in the SEC. The Big 10 if they land ND could dump Rutgers, because the east coast treats ND like a home team.
This could be a Big 12 moment, and with the right moves it could become the 3rd leg on the 3-legged stool, They could go after Washington State, OR, maybe AZ or AZ State, fun times.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jul 4, 2022 19:10:25 GMT -5
Football is King, any Fall weekend there are tens of thousands of people at Friday night HS games, Saturday college games, and Pro games on Sunday, plus the weekday games. It was only a matter of time before King football, especially with the advent of legal Sports Books, stepped up and organized college football into a national money-making machine. College football can have league play coast to coast, it's the minor non-revenue sports that are a issue. We'll never have, say a Maryland sending its crew team to LA in 2 vans and back. The Big 10 will be able to afford the cost in dollars for airfare for minor sports, but in time the non-revenue teams could be away from school too long, and that will be a concern. What likely will happen, is schools will join localized leagues for minor sports for most non-revenue sports, like the UDM for Lacrosse. The NCAA kind of lost its hold on the member schools, perhaps by its iron fist control over the schools hurt them, they could only push the Alabama and Ohio States of the world so far. The NCAA's most successful event has been the March Madness Tournament, and that will continue, kind of like a giant AAU Tournament. Perhaps they expand it, maybe like HS playoffs where all the schools play, I can see all 300+ D1 schools in the Tournament, it would only add another round or 2 and for these first-round games the whole basketball world would be looking for the next St Peter, plus the UDM would get another chance to shine. Going forward I can see the Big 10 adding Sanford, maybe Az and if they could ND, I think the ACC is wounded, and the SEC could add FL State and go right up the coast, maybe to NC, Duke would be a nice addition to the BIG 10. Next question is would these major college leagues push out schools that don't perform or spend the money to perform like Rutgers in the BIG 10 or Vanderbilt in the SEC. The Big 10 if they land ND could dump Rutgers, because the east coast treats ND like a home team. This could be a Big 12 moment, and with the right moves it could become the 3rd leg on the 3-legged stool, They could go after Washington State, OR, maybe AZ or AZ State, fun times. It's going to be a mess, I think. It feels like they are killing the golden goose just for the immediate payday. Some people love to rip on the NCAA and wish for the downfall of the organization. My concern with that kind of outcome is the vast majority of college athletes who aren't moving on to the professional ranks but get the great advantage of being a college athlete: Scholarship, housing, meal plan, health care, stipend, academic help, etc. Those things might not matter to Patrick Baldwin, for example, who is about to sign a multi million dollar NBA contract, but it's a big boost for the young lady who is a scholarship athlete deep on the women's basketball team bench at Milwaukee. As the powers that be rush to create a new "business model" and "break the mold", I hope they remember the most vulnerable.
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Post by fan on Jul 4, 2022 22:25:54 GMT -5
I think big-time college football outgrew the system, I think by having the top 20 or 30 or 40 top football powers step away and make themself a little NFL will still leave the MAC's or Ivy to play football the way it's always been. There are plenty of places for student-athletes at other D1s or D2s or 3's.
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Post by titantarheel on Jul 5, 2022 13:57:28 GMT -5
The thing that kind of doesn't make sense (to me at least) is...
Yes I get there is an arms race for schools to make more money to make ALL the money. Also, schools can't pay players directly.
So, if this new money comes in what will schools do with it and really set them apart? It will be the same as it is now - schools MUST spend any money they get. Many schools get TOO MUCH money and thus they have to blow it at lazy rivers, putt putt courses, waterfalls, and whatever else they can blow money on (and of course paying Coaches and Administrators more and more money).
So yes, I don't get it. It seems to be all for ego's sake, and the ego's sake of AD's and Conference Commissioners. I'm not even a boomer and here I sit not getting this all. Alas, I have a long road in front of me and not getting the world and yelling at clouds...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 12:34:54 GMT -5
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