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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 16:18:49 GMT -5
Seems as soon as he gets somewhere or commits to a college they're no longer good enough for him and he starts looking for a greener pasture. I think this offseason, a lot of it has to do with NIL money. A guy I know at St Bona thinks that's what happened with Waterman. BYU just today brought in another big time transfer from Arkansas and were in on Antoine. BYU must have a lot to offer...
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Post by upbasketballfan on Jun 16, 2022 19:10:08 GMT -5
Seems as soon as he gets somewhere or commits to a college they're no longer good enough for him and he starts looking for a greener pasture. I think this offseason, a lot of it has to do with NIL money. A guy I know at St Bona thinks that's what happened with Waterman. BYU just today brought in another big time transfer from Arkansas and were in on Antoine. BYU must have a lot to offer... I was reading on their site where they have a couple of wealthy alums that donate A lot of money every year to the basketball and football programs. I think they are going into the PAC 12 and have some strong financial commitments.
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Post by larrytitan on Jun 16, 2022 20:18:30 GMT -5
Marriott money.
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Post by motorcitysam on Oct 1, 2022 13:50:02 GMT -5
Saw two offers to class of 2027 prospects this week, one from Stetson and one from Bethune-Cookman.
If my calculations are correct, those are players who haven't played their eighth grade basketball seasons yet.
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Post by Commissioner on Oct 1, 2022 15:40:15 GMT -5
Saw two offers to class of 2027 prospects this week, one from Stetson and one from Bethune-Cookman. If my calculations are correct, those are players who haven't played their eighth grade basketball seasons yet. I still find myself asking what this even means. Did the Coach say, "you've got game. I hope we're gonna see you up at State in a few years."? Maybe, "I'd like to offer you a spot in our 2027 recruiting class--assuming, of course, that you keep your grades up, do well on the SAT, don't get arrested or into other trouble, grow a minimum of three inches, and continue to develop as a player."? Serious questions: what is such an offer? How is it communicated?
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Post by fan on Oct 2, 2022 12:48:18 GMT -5
It's a joke, maybe it's done to placate the local "AAU street agent", or Nike rep.
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Post by titantarheel on Jan 17, 2023 10:02:23 GMT -5
Didn't know where to stick this so this felt as good as any...
I'm a big fan of the netflix series called Last Chance U. The first few seasons they followed two different Juco football programs throughout the season. They've recently switched over to basketball. As the name implies, it gets to know the players and coaches that end up playing at the Juco level and hearing their stories (many of which can be tough with difficult backgrounds). Playing Juco is their 'last chance' to catapult to something bigger and to keep playing a sport that can mean their entire lives.
Anyhow, in the most recent season the coach of the team talked about the reality with his players that the D1 offers are slow to come in for Juco guys. He said nowadays with the transfer portal combined with the extra covid year it means there's just not as many opportunities as their used to be for Juco players. These players are kind of stuck as a result and not getting that chance to step up their game. The D1 teams look at the portal first to fill spots, maybe than grab a high school senior and no room for a juco.
Most recent season on the team was a kid named Demetrius Calip, son of UM point guard of the same name who was on the '89 title team. The ended up at Juco after not getting the time he wanted/expected/hoped for at UIC. Apparently he's still at East LA playing a second season at the Juco level this season.
Its a fascinating show that you basketball heads would enjoy. Although some of the kids stories are hard to hear based on what they've been through - one of the players is nearly homeless, while another tells his story of being 12 yrs old and being homeless with his mom and little sister.
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Post by fan on Jan 17, 2023 11:00:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the "tip", I hadn't known about the show. JUCO in the past was the starting point where players who couldn't qualify for a 4-year school could start at a JUCO and work their way into a 4-year college. These days it seems like they are a soft landing for unsuccessful transfer portal players. It's a fast-changing world.
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Post by motorcitysam on Jan 17, 2023 14:35:05 GMT -5
Didn't know where to stick this so this felt as good as any... I'm a big fan of the netflix series called Last Chance U. The first few seasons they followed two different Juco football programs throughout the season. They've recently switched over to basketball. As the name implies, it gets to know the players and coaches that end up playing at the Juco level and hearing their stories (many of which can be tough with difficult backgrounds). Playing Juco is their 'last chance' to catapult to something bigger and to keep playing a sport that can mean their entire lives. Anyhow, in the most recent season the coach of the team talked about the reality with his players that the D1 offers are slow to come in for Juco guys. He said nowadays with the transfer portal combined with the extra covid year it means there's just not as many opportunities as their used to be for Juco players. These players are kind of stuck as a result and not getting that chance to step up their game. The D1 teams look at the portal first to fill spots, maybe than grab a high school senior and no room for a juco. Most recent season on the team was a kid named Demetrius Calip, son of UM point guard of the same name who was on the '89 title team. The ended up at Juco after not getting the time he wanted/expected/hoped for at UIC. Apparently he's still at East LA playing a second season at the Juco level this season. Its a fascinating show that you basketball heads would enjoy. Although some of the kids stories are hard to hear based on what they've been through - one of the players is nearly homeless, while another tells his story of being 12 yrs old and being homeless with his mom and little sister. Thanks for the tip. Sounds like a good watch. I've always had a soft spot for JUCO players. I love to see them succeed, particularly on teams that I root for. Dunking Doug and Nick were examples of the great impact the right JUCO players can have on a mid major program. Transfers are causing havoc on JUCO programs now. D1 players transfer and can't find a D1 landing spot, so they go to JUCO and take up a spot. Four year coaches hold off on taking commitments from JUCO players because they hope to land transfers in the Spring. Lots of JUCO players end up on the outside looking in. If I was recruiting for a four year program, I'd use that situation to my advantage to try to land some JUCOs. "You can sign with us right now and guarantee your spot, or you can wait on a maybe in the Spring when all those transfers hit the portal."
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Post by motorcitysam on Jan 17, 2023 18:57:56 GMT -5
Curt Lewis, ranked the #3 player in the JUCO class of 2023, verbally committed to Missouri. Falls in line with what appears to be the recruitment philosophy of Coach Gates, which is similar to this former boss, Coach Ham at Florida State: Go after top high school players, develop the players you have, and always bring on some JUCO players.
Looking at Lewis a little closer, you see that he took the long route to Mizzou. After high school he spent a year at Aspire Academy. He then committed to Eastern Kentucky and had two solid years there, averaging around ten points per game. He hit the portal this past Spring, but didn't land at another D1. He enrolled at John A. Logan JUCO and is averaging about 15 points per game, there.
It used to be very rare to see a player with two years of D1 ball go to a Junior College, but these days it is getting more and more common.
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Post by happy on Jan 17, 2023 19:25:09 GMT -5
Curt Lewis, ranked the #3 player in the JUCO class of 2023, verbally committed to Missouri. Falls in line with what appears to be the recruitment philosophy of Coach Gates, which is similar to this former boss, Coach Ham at Florida State: Go after top high school players, develop the players you have, and always bring on some JUCO players. Looking at Lewis a little closer, you see that he took the long route to Mizzou. After high school he spent a year at Aspire Academy. He then committed to Eastern Kentucky and had two solid years there, averaging around ten points per game. He hit the portal this past Spring, but didn't land at another D1. He enrolled at John A. Logan JUCO and is averaging about 15 points per game, there. It used to be very rare to see a player with two years of D1 ball go to a Junior College, but these days it is getting more and more common. What's wrong with Eastern Kentucky? he also took a redshirt season for the Colonels. That's a fine program. What's the reason he left? Grade Issues? If he didn't get any other offers for D1 then he made the wrong decision. Should have stay put in my opinion. Maybe he wanted to cash in with NIL. Not sure the thinking of kids these days. It's not the old days where you had "home sweet home". Hopefully we stay away for players like that but, what do I know. Actually, to think about it more it's a good thing we have good GPA requirements to get accepted, because we wouldn't have to put up with players like this 23 yr old "Non" student athlete. How much patience do we have for a 23 yr old?
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Post by upbasketballfan on Jan 18, 2023 4:21:55 GMT -5
Curt Lewis, ranked the #3 player in the JUCO class of 2023, verbally committed to Missouri. Falls in line with what appears to be the recruitment philosophy of Coach Gates, which is similar to this former boss, Coach Ham at Florida State: Go after top high school players, develop the players you have, and always bring on some JUCO players. Looking at Lewis a little closer, you see that he took the long route to Mizzou. After high school he spent a year at Aspire Academy. He then committed to Eastern Kentucky and had two solid years there, averaging around ten points per game. He hit the portal this past Spring, but didn't land at another D1. He enrolled at John A. Logan JUCO and is averaging about 15 points per game, there. It used to be very rare to see a player with two years of D1 ball go to a Junior College, but these days it is getting more and more common. What's wrong with Eastern Kentucky? he also took a redshirt season for the Colonels. That's a fine program. What's the reason he left? Grade Issues? If he didn't get any other offers for D1 then he made the wrong decision. Should have stay put in my opinion. Maybe he wanted to cash in with NIL. Not sure the thinking of kids these days. It's not the old days where you had "home sweet home". Hopefully we stay away for players like that but, what do I know. Actually, to think about it more it's a good thing we have good GPA requirements to get accepted, because we wouldn't have to put up with players like this 23 yr old "Non" student athlete. How much patience do we have for a 23 yr old? Good thing we had patience when we took Minnerath. I think we have 3-4 on this years roster.
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Post by fan on Jan 18, 2023 11:46:21 GMT -5
I guess if the league or international play is the goal, the transfer for playing time or recognition is fine, if the goal s for a better degree, well that's a home run.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Jan 18, 2023 18:05:20 GMT -5
I guess if the league or international play is the goal, the transfer for playing time or recognition is fine, if the goal s for a better degree, well that's a home run. ? These are basketball players and most of them dream of playing in the NBA or at least going pro. I’m guessing may be 5% are graduating from HS and thinking where can I play and get a great degree. If you are after that 5% then you have to compete with Duke, North Carolina, Stanford, Northwestern, Harvard, Michigan etc. There just aren’t enough of those kids out there. Maybe more so in Womens Basketball where the reason for playing seem to be a little more pure.
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Post by fan on Jan 19, 2023 9:49:55 GMT -5
UP, I'm not sure your percentages are correct, sure every kid that picks up a basketball is dreaming of the NBA, but I believe most kids paying HS ball are thinking about college ball, and hoping for some type of help paying for it.
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