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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 16:20:18 GMT -5
Aundre Polk, 6-10 PF, Detroit (Spire Institute, Ohio). *Akron, *Boston College, *Central Michigan, *Cleveland State, *Grand Canyon, *Kent State, *Maryland, *Massachusetts, *Milwaukee, *Northern Kentucky, *Oakland, *Ohio, *Southern Utah, *St. Bonavanture
Polk to CMU
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 24, 2020 18:56:21 GMT -5
Aundre Polk, 6-10 PF, Detroit (Spire Institute, Ohio). *Akron, *Boston College, *Central Michigan, *Cleveland State, *Grand Canyon, *Kent State, *Maryland, *Massachusetts, *Milwaukee, *Northern Kentucky, *Oakland, *Ohio, *Southern Utah, *St. Bonavanture Polk to CMU That's very disappointing.
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 24, 2020 20:33:30 GMT -5
Aundre Polk, 6-10 PF, Detroit (Spire Institute, Ohio). *Akron, *Boston College, *Central Michigan, *Cleveland State, *Grand Canyon, *Kent State, *Maryland, *Massachusetts, *Milwaukee, *Northern Kentucky, *Oakland, *Ohio, *Southern Utah, *St. Bonavanture Polk to CMU That's very disappointing. Yeah, I was hoping he was a big guy we might get.
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Post by udballer on Apr 24, 2020 21:22:37 GMT -5
Losing anybody we offer to Mt. Pleasant is embarrassing. I don't care where either program is at current. Losing recruits to a MAC school sucks, and should never, ever happen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 8:53:36 GMT -5
That's very disappointing. Yeah, I was hoping he was a big guy we might get. Needing big men and not getting Polk, and now Burke from MSU (if we were even interested), and both going to CMU, who we should be able to recruit successfully against, may have finally pushed me over the edge...
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 25, 2020 8:57:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I was hoping he was a big guy we might get. Needing big men and not getting Polk, and now Burke from MSU (if we were even interested), and both going to CMU, who we should be able to recruit successfully against, may have finally pushed me over the edge... I understand how it happens. We've been really down, and that hurts our ability to recruit, of course. But I would find it more palatable if we had lost a player to Toledo, Buffalo, or even EMU if we were going to lose someone to a MAC team. But CMU? They have become another team that we are trying to catch up to.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Apr 25, 2020 9:51:02 GMT -5
Losing anybody we offer to Mt. Pleasant is embarrassing. I don't care where either program is at current. Losing recruits to a MAC school sucks, and should never, ever happen. I think we need to get a grasp on reality. Detroit is not a destination. It is going to take a real special player with a lot of confidence in his abilities to come to UDM. We have let this program slide close to the point of no return. When Ray was forced out we needed the perfect candidate at that point. We are either all in or we are out. I can see Mt. Pleasant being a lot easier sell than Detroit. Now without the campus visits where the team has an opportunity to make a player feel comfortable and want to be a part of a good group, our coaches have a lot more objections to defeat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 10:02:00 GMT -5
If we're not going to win any recruiting battles (and in my opinion, the X's and O's I've watched aren't anything special), then why hire a "big name" and big money Coach like Davis? I think we'd be better with someone who relies more on energy in selling his/our program and smarts at a little less money. I agree that we are a challenging program to rebuild, but if experience isn't paying off, then maybe extreme hustle and tireless hard work would be more effective (I don't know for a fact that our current staff doesn't have this, but our head coach not going on the road to recruit, and the late finalizing of rosters and schedules doesn't make me think they do)
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Post by upbasketballfan on Apr 25, 2020 10:06:46 GMT -5
If we're not going to win any recruiting battles (and in my opinion, the X's and O's I've watched aren't anything special), then why hire a "big name" and big money Coach like Davis? I think we'd be better with someone who relies more on energy in selling his/our program and smarts at a little less money. I agree that we are a challenging program to rebuild, but if experience isn't paying off, then maybe extreme hustle and tireless hard work would be more effective (I don't know for a fact that our current staff doesn't have this, but our head coach not going on the road to recruit, and the late finalizing of rosters and schedules doesn't make me think they do) I'm not sure the coaches can go on the road to recruit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 10:20:59 GMT -5
If we're not going to win any recruiting battles (and in my opinion, the X's and O's I've watched aren't anything special), then why hire a "big name" and big money Coach like Davis? I think we'd be better with someone who relies more on energy in selling his/our program and smarts at a little less money. I agree that we are a challenging program to rebuild, but if experience isn't paying off, then maybe extreme hustle and tireless hard work would be more effective (I don't know for a fact that our current staff doesn't have this, but our head coach not going on the road to recruit, and the late finalizing of rosters and schedules doesn't make me think they do) I'm not sure the coaches can go on the road to recruit. Of course they can't right now. I'm referring to Davis's previous comment/brag that he doesn't even need to leave the office to recruit. This whole discussion is futile & I'm regretting that I started it. We're stuck with what we've got for at least the next few seasons. Vowels can't/won't do anything to improve the situation and the Head Coach is what he is at this point of his career - he's not going to change his formula because he's convinced it's going to work. And the losses and embarrassments (like the Oakland losses, etc) keep piling up. And us fans just have to keep taking it. Like I said a week ago, I sometimes wish this upcoming season would just be cancelled...
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 25, 2020 11:01:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure the coaches can go on the road to recruit. Of course they can't right now. I'm referring to Davis's previous comment/brag that he doesn't even need to leave the office to recruit. This whole discussion is futile & I'm regretting that I started it. We're stuck with what we've got for at least the next few seasons. Vowels can't/won't do anything to improve the situation and the Head Coach is what he is at this point of his career - he's not going to change his formula because he's convinced it's going to work. And the losses and embarrassments (like the Oakland losses, etc) keep piling up. And us fans just have to keep taking it. Like I said a week ago, I sometimes wish this upcoming season would just be cancelled... I knew that statement was going to come back to haunt Davis as soon as he made it. I'm not sure that statement is still true, if it ever was, but he created an impression of a guy that is kicking back in his office while other head coaches are flying and driving around trying to score players. Of course, if we were bringing in top players, no one would care, but the results are lacking. Everything gets scrutinized when that is the case. Davis was one of my favorite coaches going back to when he took over at IU. I desperately want him to turn things around here. I am still confident that he can. But I am disappointed that it seems to be taking so long. Go Titans.
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Post by udballer on Apr 25, 2020 11:47:58 GMT -5
Losing anybody we offer to Mt. Pleasant is embarrassing. I don't care where either program is at current. Losing recruits to a MAC school sucks, and should never, ever happen. I think we need to get a grasp on reality. Detroit is not a destination. It is going to take a real special player with a lot of confidence in his abilities to come to UDM. We have let this program slide close to the point of no return. When Ray was forced out we needed the perfect candidate at that point. We are either all in or we are out. I can see Mt. Pleasant being a lot easier sell than Detroit. Now without the campus visits where the team has an opportunity to make a player feel comfortable and want to be a part of a good group, our coaches have a lot more objections to defeat. I read what you wrote. I understand what you wrote. I disagree with it though. Mt. Pleasant is in no way an easier sell than Detroit. I can't think of a single positive about Mt Pleasant as a city... and I've spent more time there than most. I can think of even less selling points for CMU as a basketball destination.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Apr 25, 2020 15:16:01 GMT -5
I think we need to get a grasp on reality. Detroit is not a destination. It is going to take a real special player with a lot of confidence in his abilities to come to UDM. We have let this program slide close to the point of no return. When Ray was forced out we needed the perfect candidate at that point. We are either all in or we are out. I can see Mt. Pleasant being a lot easier sell than Detroit. Now without the campus visits where the team has an opportunity to make a player feel comfortable and want to be a part of a good group, our coaches have a lot more objections to defeat. I read what you wrote. I understand what you wrote. I disagree with it though. Mt. Pleasant is in no way an easier sell than Detroit. I can't think of a single positive about Mt Pleasant as a city... and I've spent more time there than most. I can think of even less selling points for CMU as a basketball destination. You had the option of living in Detroit, do you? I had the option and chose Livonia to raise my family. A lot of the young people when given a choice of 480 acre campus with grass and trees or 75 acres of cement will probably choose the park like setting. There is more to do in Detroit but how many 18 yr. olds are interested in public transportation or a trip to the Art Museum, or can afford one of the theaters or casinos. Can they afford Lions, Tiger or Pistons tickets, probably not? A campus life at a University with about 20000 students or no campus life at a commuter school with about 5000 students. The 20000 enrollment as opposed to our struggling attempt at 5000 should tell us that the decision to go to Mt. Pleasant is 4 to 1 in favor of the park over the cement.
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Post by udballer on Apr 25, 2020 20:54:40 GMT -5
I've had the option of living in Detroit and I have chosen to live in Detroit in the past. I've debated living in Detroit recently, but DPS was not the right option for my son. I live in the suburbs now but it certainly isn't because I wanted a more Mt Pleasant-like feel. I hope most of our recruits aren't weighing the education of their children when making decisions.
Mt Pleasant definitely has Detroit beat when it comes to barren fields. Other than that, the top place to hang out there is Buffalo Wild Wings? The Wayside?
I'd say that the enrollment totals have more to do with lower enrollment standards for the general public and much lower tuition... so I'm not sure you can offer that as proof when discussing full-ride basketball players weighing their options. If players were constantly in search of the campus with the most grass then CMU would be high on the list and folks (including CMU alumni) could probably name more than two players in their programs history.
I can't recall the student body at UDM during my years (96-00) trying to get their bus passes in order. If a star basketball recruit doesn't have a car to get somewhere, the odds are that someone nearby does and will give them a ride. My roommate didn't have a car for 3 years, but magically I remember him being everywhere I was. 😁
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Post by upbasketballfan on Apr 26, 2020 10:49:54 GMT -5
I've had the option of living in Detroit and I have chosen to live in Detroit in the past. I've debated living in Detroit recently, but DPS was not the right option for my son. I live in the suburbs now but it certainly isn't because I wanted a more Mt Pleasant-like feel. I hope most of our recruits aren't weighing the education of their children when making decisions. Mt Pleasant definitely has Detroit beat when it comes to barren fields. Other than that, the top place to hang out there is Buffalo Wild Wings? The Wayside? I'd say that the enrollment totals have more to do with lower enrollment standards for the general public and much lower tuition... so I'm not sure you can offer that as proof when discussing full-ride basketball players weighing their options. If players were constantly in search of the campus with the most grass then CMU would be high on the list and folks (including CMU alumni) could probably name more than two players in their programs history. I can't recall the student body at UDM during my years (96-00) trying to get their bus passes in order. If a star basketball recruit doesn't have a car to get somewhere, the odds are that someone nearby does and will give them a ride. My roommate didn't have a car for 3 years, but magically I remember him being everywhere I was. 😁 Well lets see we now have a choice between Buffalo Wild Wings and the Wayside or Bosco's Fish and Chips (you buy it we fry it) and Nick's Coney Island. As far as the DPS there are options such as UDJ and then you could live in Detroit and help support the Red Lining that our elected Politicians have allowed our Insurance institutions to assess the residents of Detroit and trickle down on the rest of Michigan. How many of us want our kids down at Lafayette Coney at three in the morning stepping over drunks on the sidewalk in order to get in. Detroit has a lot of fantastic entertainment and dining options, probably as good as anywhere in the country, if you know where to go but most are out of the reach of college students and I'm sure the commuters are not down at Tom's, Vince's or El Barzon hanging out in the evenings.
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