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Post by titansforever on Mar 17, 2022 15:33:15 GMT -5
The MAC has no interest in adding any school that does not play football. And that is why Wayne State and Grand Valley will be added because they do play football and are climbing not sliding. They play in the best D2 Football Conference in the country. Unless you were referring to Detroit. My statement was that we will not be Detroits only D1 University in Sports much longer. That window will slowly start to close. Do they each want to add 49 more football scholarships? Huge difference between DII and the FBS MAC.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Mar 17, 2022 15:59:23 GMT -5
Remember. Football Bowl Subdivision teams have to meet minimum attendance requirements (average 15,000 people in actual or paid attendance per home game), which must be met once in a rolling two-year period. The MAC is FBS. So could Wayne State theoretically transition to D-1 and find a home in an FBS conference for its football program? Sure, but there are some very big hurdles for them to clear. And I don’t see the MAC clamoring to add WSU anytime soon.
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Post by rbj on Mar 17, 2022 18:52:48 GMT -5
The MAC has no interest in adding any school that does not play football. And that is why Wayne State and Grand Valley will be added because they do play football and are climbing not sliding. They play in the best D2 Football Conference in the country. Unless you were referring to Detroit. My statement was that we will not be Detroits only D1 University in Sports much longer. That window will slowly start to close. Wayne State was a founding member of the MAC in the 1940's, they didn't want pay for sports then and they dont want to pay now. Its not part of their "mission".
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 17, 2022 19:58:57 GMT -5
And that is why Wayne State and Grand Valley will be added because they do play football and are climbing not sliding. They play in the best D2 Football Conference in the country. Unless you were referring to Detroit. My statement was that we will not be Detroits only D1 University in Sports much longer. That window will slowly start to close. Wayne State was a founding member of the MAC in the 1940's, they didn't want pay for sports then and they dont want to pay now. Its not part of their "mission". What are you talking about pay for sports. They have more student athletes on scholarship than we do. They have 36 or the equivalent of 36 full rides just for football.
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Post by rbj on Mar 17, 2022 21:46:58 GMT -5
Wayne State was a founding member of the MAC in the 1940's, they didn't want pay for sports then and they dont want to pay now. Its not part of their "mission". What are you talking about pay for sports. They have more student athletes on scholarship than we do. They have 36 or the equivalent of 36 full rides just for football. The football players do not receive full rides, all of them are on partial scholarships. Mike Davis salary alone is more than the entire Wayne State men's basketball coaching staff combined. I graduated from Wayne State University. Thats what I'm talking about.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 18, 2022 3:08:37 GMT -5
What are you talking about pay for sports. They have more student athletes on scholarship than we do. They have 36 or the equivalent of 36 full rides just for football. The football players do not receive full rides, all of them are on partial scholarships. Mike Davis salary alone is more than the entire Wayne State men's basketball coaching staff combined. I graduated from Wayne State University. Thats what I'm talking about. They have the equivalent of 36 full rides which can be given out as full or partial that is up to the discretion of the coach. If the coach wants 12 full and 48 partial or 8 full and 56 partial it is up to him how he wants to use his 36. There is a negotiation between Coach and player as to the scholarship amount and a lot of the partials are supplemented with gratis campus jobs where the athlete has an opportunity to get paid while studying like 3 hrs. a day six days a week to make sure the stadium lights are off. At Wayne they used have football players employed as parking attendants and attendant supervisors on the North lots. The jobs have to be posted somewhere and the Athlete is required to notify compliance office which sometimes is handled by staff. It’s not rocket science but maybe it is for the present football coach I think he was 2-7 in the GLIAC. Do you think the Athletes that left UD and transferred to Wayne left full rides so they could get partials and pay to play?
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Post by calihanmole on Mar 18, 2022 7:52:09 GMT -5
“Do you think the Athletes that left UD and transferred to Wayne left full rides so they could get partials and pay to play?”
You have to consider that some student athletes will get some Pell grant money or other scholarships and grants based on their family’s financial situation. Or, on the other end of the spectrum, a student’s family might have the resources to easily pay the partial tuition.
Is getting a partial DII scholarship as nice as a full ride at a DI school that usually includes room and board? No. But DII coaches are creative when it comes to knowing what a student can get in other grants and work study jobs. I’d bet that most basketball players that transfer from DI schools to DII programs end up paying relatively little - especially at public schools where the sticker tuition price is already quite low.
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Post by fan on Mar 18, 2022 9:51:01 GMT -5
"Pay for Play" is when a college has a team like a football team that usually all the members are paying students, usually D 3 or lower. Like Kalamazoo College, but there could be some "grade and aid" money available.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Mar 18, 2022 10:08:11 GMT -5
In the past before the recent changes addressing an Athletes ability to capitalize on endorsements, it was monetarily advantageous to play D2. It’s hard to convince the football and basketball players as a majority think they have a better opportunity at the next level in D1. I do know of many D2 players who finished undergrad with healthy bank accounts and their degrees. The NCAA watchdogs are not as vigilant policing D2 programs.
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Post by uofdfan1983 on May 2, 2022 17:20:27 GMT -5
Rashad tweeted, "Great coach but a better person."
No reason he can't win at Schoolcraft and if he does, would be excited to consider him here someday. He was a running mate with JJ back at Finney and then again at U-D. Had the game winner vs. MSU at the JLA but more importantly, just a tough player and a team guy. Maybe BA without the pop and sizzle personality? Ego is a given with successful people, but I'd rather deal with someone who just exudes confidence and doesn't worry about his ego.
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Post by joseph75 on May 2, 2022 18:20:59 GMT -5
Tom, just to embelish on what you said about MSU and EJ. It was 1996 and the Titans BEAT MSU in TRIPLE OT 86-84. A terriffic Titan memory. Tom Ryan rattled off the game high scorers and finished with EJ HARALSON "2" Its time to honor COACH Watson for that Great stretch of Titan sucess.
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Post by udballer on May 2, 2022 21:33:37 GMT -5
Tom, just to embelish on what you said about MSU and EJ. It was 1996 and the Titans BEAT MSU in TRIPLE OT 86-84. A terriffic Titan memory. Tom Ryan rattled off the game high scorers and finished with EJ HARALSON "2" Its time to honor COACH Watson for that Great stretch of Titan sucess. Probably the best game I've ever attended. Been some HS Finals games that were close... but that one sits at the top.
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