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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 18:20:18 GMT -5
Did the Horizon League change its policy or will these be forfeit losses?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 18:26:46 GMT -5
Here's the revised policy. Hopefully they're ruled no contests. Too bad OUR Commissioner isn't the one making the call on this one
Horizon League policy, vetted by multiple membership groups and approved by the Horizon League Council, states that contests that are canceled due to COVID-19 are to be considered forfeits unless deemed a no contest by the Commissioner. League policy authorizes the Commissioner to deem a cancellation a no-contest when the involved institution can demonstrate that extraordinary circumstances led to the cancellation. Given the surge in positive cases due to the Omicron variant, the Council agreed that a high volume of breakthrough cases among vaccinated individuals is considered extraordinary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 18:31:35 GMT -5
The Women's team too
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 19:12:42 GMT -5
Further confirmation concerning Thursday
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Post by Rogobob77 on Dec 28, 2021 20:11:33 GMT -5
Further confirmation concerning Thursday The substitution of the Defiance game makes it pretty clear that there will be no option to make up the game at a later date.
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Post by ptctitan on Dec 28, 2021 20:49:28 GMT -5
Breakthrough cases are deemed an extraordinary event and do not trigger forfeits.
IUPUI and UIC have cancelled their games this weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 20:53:07 GMT -5
It actually says "a HIGH volume of breakthrough cases among vaccinated individuals is considered extraordinary."
A subtle, but important difference
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Post by ptctitan on Dec 28, 2021 21:28:03 GMT -5
What if no one is actually sick? What if no one in the entire league is actually sick? For how many viruses would any one of us test positive at this moment?
A breakthrough case means a positive test result in a vaccinated person. The virus broke through the vaccine.
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Post by Commissioner on Dec 28, 2021 23:08:19 GMT -5
College hoops (and lots of others) is going to have to decide if they want to play or not. Calling games forfeits is absurd--with the level of contagiousness of the Omicron variant, there are going to be cases popping up everywhere, and there is little any school can do to change it--it's pretty much all luck.
But they're also going to have to decide if they want a season at all. You've got young men at very low risk, vaccinated and boosted almost to a man, and totally asymptomatic, and we're cancelling games because some portion of a team tests positive for Covid. Others will disagree, but I call that stupid. If you're in the camp that disagrees, however, the question is--why carry on with what is becoming--and certainly will become--a charade of a season? If you think this is a manageable risk, let 'em play. If you don't, then let's call the whole thing off. Having some kind of pseudo-season and more or less randomly calling some games forfeits is no way to go.
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Post by ptctitan on Dec 29, 2021 7:21:55 GMT -5
SARS-CoV-2 is the 21st century's version of leprosy.
The HL and the universities continue to test asymptomatic vaccinated people even though the mRNA vaccines do not prevent anyone from being found with this virus in their bodies. This is an incredibly stupid policy that is contrary to everything learned in the past 12 months about this virus. Cloth and paper masks do not stop airborne aerosols. They go right through those coverings. If nobody has symptoms, let them play.
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Post by JDetroitTitan on Dec 29, 2021 8:02:13 GMT -5
Here's the revised policy. Hopefully they're ruled no contests. Too bad OUR Commissioner isn't the one making the call on this one Horizon League policy, vetted by multiple membership groups and approved by the Horizon League Council, states that contests that are canceled due to COVID-19 are to be considered forfeits unless deemed a no contest by the Commissioner. League policy authorizes the Commissioner to deem a cancellation a no-contest when the involved institution can demonstrate that extraordinary circumstances led to the cancellation. Given the surge in positive cases due to the Omicron variant, the Council agreed that a high volume of breakthrough cases among vaccinated individuals is considered extraordinary. I have been working with people the whole time during the pandemic. I have notice break through cases haven't been that uncommon as you would think since the beginning of people getting vaccinated. I stop counting breakthrough cases after I reached 20 people (around Aug/sept/oct time) I worked with or knew that got covid-19 after being fully vaccinated(two shots at the beginning). One factor I noticed was people who were taking vitamin D, zinc and C daily(along with excising at least once a week) have not gotten Covid-19 fully vaccinated or not. This group is very small amount of people I know (3 since the start of the pandemic). Those three people have been in contact (a good amount of time hour+) with people who had covid-19 and got other infected (fully vaccinated) at the same event. This is a very small sample size and I don't want to go down some rabbit hole on this but I was wonder if anyone has had a noticed a similar trend, or may have noticed the complete opposite trend or just notice something interesting about it to comment on? (I am just curious don't what to get into a whole debate about COVID just want to hear people experience through this)
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Post by calihanmole on Dec 29, 2021 8:50:45 GMT -5
Commissioner’s post was perfect and I have nothing to add.
Also, regarding jdetroittitan’s post, I’ve also read a lot about the use of vitamins. I’ve been taking vitamin D, zinc, and vitamin C pretty regularly since the pandemic started and I feel great (I’m also fully vaxxed). Sure that’s anecdotal, but I’d urge others to do some research. Hell, most of us should be taking vitamin D during the winters whether or not there’s a COVID pandemic.
College games should be played. These are young men who can make their own decisions, and the risk of long term health problems is extremely low if they are vaxxed, which nearly all of them are. Jeff Goodman was just tweeting that college basketball players will be wearing masks during games again soon. This has become fucking ridiculous.
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Post by motorcitysam on Dec 29, 2021 9:08:16 GMT -5
To quote a coworker of mine, "Some of you haven't spent the past 20 months stuffing people into body bags and it shows."
I wish they would cancel sports. Maybe more people would start taking things seriously.
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Post by bigchuck on Dec 29, 2021 9:37:01 GMT -5
To quote a coworker of mine, "Some of you haven't spent the past 20 months stuffing people into body bags and it shows." I wish they would cancel sports. Maybe more people would start taking things seriously. After 2 years of being locked in, isolated, unable to travel etc. Cancelling sports isn't going to change any minds. I agree that all sports between unvacinated adults over 60 with immune problems should be seriously reconsidered. I do not agree that 20 y.o. individuals that are fully vaccinated showing no signs of illness should be isolated from other fully vaccinated 20 y.o. players. Your friend has not spent 20 months stuffing them into body bags. If one does not want to watch the game in person, that should be their choice. The lack of context and blanket application of rules to both young and old, healthy and unhealthy drives me crazy. This is from a fully vaxxed 70+ obese guy who stays away from doing some things because of COVID but does not expect the young to give up living because of my decisions. Play the games
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Post by calihanmole on Dec 29, 2021 10:06:07 GMT -5
If you’re going to start throwing around emotionally charged language about stuffing people into body bags, you also have to acknowledge that this pandemic has largely taken lives of people 65+. See stats about COVID deaths here: www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/I swear, it’s as if some people in 2020 learned for the first time that human beings are carbon based lifeforms vulnerable to viruses and diseases, and that we all die. It’s not always fair, and we could all reference odd circumstances where some healthy young person died. And, the inability of our healthcare system and hospitals to adequately care for all those infected during periods of this pandemic should not be overlooked, and we should use it as a learning experience moving forward. But, saying that vaccinated 20 year old men shouldn’t be allowed to play basketball games right now is just damn stupid. Sorry to be so rude and direct, but that’s stupid AF. Help seniors and those with health conditions stay home and safe as best we can. But FFS it’s time to get back to normal and let people live their lives. Don’t like it, don’t watch.
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