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Post by upbasketballfan on Apr 16, 2022 12:15:56 GMT -5
There is another side to this coin. I am tired of hearing how we were, what we did wrong 50 years ago. I was there. I enjoyed the ride. I supported the ride. That ride is over. That world has changed. I liked Ray and did not want him fired, but when he made the NCAA 10 years ago we were only seeded 15th and played Kansas. I remember the trip. Our guys lost, but our Dance Team won over the KU fans. Not much else went right. Things have gone downhill from there. I have always supported the Titans financially and by attendance both as UD or as UDM. I will continue to do so in D-1, D-2, or D-3 or NAIA. I have heard too many of the posters that are supposed fans "forever" define that support as contingent on D-1 level. So if you think my side of the coin is too negative so be it. D-1 sports is a business. We have done a poor job running the business and thinking that we are going to make a rapid turn around is not supported by the facts. I was thinking more of a poster who in recent posts (and, actually, in posts over a long period) has argued that a top priority for the new president should be considering a move to D-3, that the Titans "can't compete," that the program can never be a perennial tournament team [there are, BTW, quite a few perennial terms from small conferences], that "our fan base should disband and we should all pledge allegiance to new programs," that there's "no much point in investing" in the program, and that he basically roots for another team because it has better odds of winning; and from I don't recall hearing a positive word in months. Commish that’s Kampe in disguise!
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 16, 2022 13:25:30 GMT -5
Just another word. I launched this board 9 years ago because the site of DetroitTitansHoops.com--Titan Mike's board--had been regularly plagued by trolls, spammers, and a group of people that simply wouldn't behave civilly, lacing their remarks with profanity and getting extremely personal in comments at other posters and at Titan players and coaches. For whatever reason Mike, who had done Titan fans a great service by starting and maintaining the board for years, was too busy or unwilling or unable to consistantly police and maintain that board any longer.
But in line with that, note what I posted then at the top of this board, that has been there for 9 years--"Positive Titan Talk." I don't think that means no criticism, or keeping on rose tinted glasses, or avoiding inevitable pessimism when the program is losing. But I would encourage people to have fun and try to avoid excessive negativity. If one begins to find that most of one's posts are criticizing something about the team or the program or the university, I would urge that person to consider holding it back, or posting something positive.
Just a thought.
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Post by calihanmole on Apr 16, 2022 13:42:59 GMT -5
I’m fine taking the criticism, but might I offer that people are displeased with me not because of what I say but rather because they can’t accept the reality that is Detroit Mercy and Titan athletics? I’ve worked in higher ed a long time. I do legitimately believe that this new President should evaluate whether or not DI athletics and the cost of sustaining DI athletics is the best financial decision for the university. I’m not saying I want the school to quit DI, just saying it’s probably in the president’s fiduciary duty to investigate it at this point.
As for me saying we can’t be a perennial ncaa tournament team, I 100% stand by that. It wasn’t going to happen before the new NIL rules and portal rules, and it sure as hell isn’t going to happen now. Maybe me pointing that out makes me negative or maybe it’s just being realistic. All I’m saying is maybe we should just enjoy the games we have, try to win the Metro Series once in a while and maybe get wins against teams like Akron and Toledo before we start talking about being the next Gonzaga. Some of the people here sound less coherent than Diane Feinstein. Yeah yeah yeah, I’m the negative guy who says we just can’t. But the constant posts over the years by guys like ptc and 1983 saying we finally got the right coach, we just need to raise money for this or that, there’s some space eater recruit that’s going to change our post play is also kind of annoying. Im sure those dudes are great alums and accomplished dudes. But they also have been saying success is just around the corner the past 4 years and it just doesn’t happen. Now apparently there’s some new “big time” NIL system being orchestrated. Call me skeptical on that as well since they can’t even name a company that would have the financial incentives to sign UDM athletes.
And the disbanding and following other teams comment was obviously a joke. Sure, I mention another team I like sometimes but I’m not the only one who does so. Plenty of DePaul mentions.
Go Titans! Let’s win the Metro Series in 2023!
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Post by billebben on Apr 16, 2022 13:47:49 GMT -5
I am reading an old Mitch Albom book called Fab Five. Fun read mentions Uof D several times and role of Perry Watson. The ins and out of recruiting are eye opening. Anyone that enjoys college ball will enjoy.
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 16, 2022 13:55:49 GMT -5
Just another word. I launched this board 9 years ago because the site of DetroitTitansHoops.com--Titan Mike's board--had been regularly plagued by trolls, spammers, and a group of people that simply wouldn't behave civilly, lacing their remarks with profanity and getting extremely personal in comments at other posters and at Titan players and coaches. For whatever reason Mike, who had done Titan fans a great service by starting and maintaining the board for years, was too busy or unwilling or unable to consistantly police and maintain that board any longer. But in line with that, note what I posted then at the top of this board, that has been there for 9 years--"Positive Titan Talk." I don't think that means no criticism, or keeping on rose tinted glasses, or avoiding inevitable pessimism when the program is losing. But I would encourage people to have fun and try to avoid excessive negativity. If one begins to find that most of one's posts are criticizing something about the team or the program or the university, I would urge that person to consider holding it back, or posting something positive. Just a thought. My first thought was, "Nine years? That can't be right." Is it just me, or does it seem like that time has flown by?
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Post by calihanmole on Apr 16, 2022 13:58:41 GMT -5
This fan base needs younger fans! All we do is reference teams from the Vitale era, Mitch Albom books, and say things like, “it hasn’t been that long, has it?!”
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Post by uofdfan1983 on Apr 16, 2022 14:10:41 GMT -5
It's true that the only way to ensure longterm success in Athletics is to improve our facilities, support system and other foundational elements.
What some on this Board either fail to realize, or just ignore, however, is that in most every other aspect of U-D's existence over the Garabaldi years, we have IMPROVED. The two most important elements that are not improving/need support are: 1. New dorms/renovated dorms and off-campus housing. This is a tough one because we not only need money, but we need cooperation from the City, which has been a roadblock towards progress. 2. A commitment and investment in Athletics.
In that order.
The housing problem comes first. We are losing students to lesser schools like Grand Valley because of our housing. Period.
Our academic standing, our Programs, our enrollment, our tuition rollback -- all positives. We are bucking a trend in Michigan of failing universities. U-M is exploding, so is MSU. After that, the next most successful school in the state is arguably either Michigan Tech or U-D, as far as where we stand today VS where we stood 10 years ago.
I would rather be growing on these fronts and losing on the court than visa versa. And winning on these fronts can lead to winning on the court. They have to work in tandem.
So go ahead and be negative, if it makes you feel better. We have a long way to go yet. Our Athletic Dept. is in the dumpster right now, and we don't need another dumpster video to emphasize that. So criticize. Call Vowels and complain. Write a letter. It's all fine.
And call me an idiot for believing we can be the next Loyola. For Christs' sake - Loyola. They sucked in hoops for so long it's mind boggling. The Commish is more than patient with all of us. Time to step up and either vote with your dollars while complaining and working towards the goal, or don't vote with your dollars and just go away.
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 16, 2022 14:12:28 GMT -5
I don't know how high the Titans ceiling is in the modern college basketball era. The current version of the sport doesn't benefit schools like U-D, and our own self inflicted wounds just make it worse. But I don't need us to be the new Gonzaga to enjoy and support the program. I'd be very happy to see us reach the level of current Toledo, with a little more luck in the conference tournament. It's going to be hard to sustain success, as the transfer exodus from successful mid major teams would indicate. I don't know what the future holds, but I am sure I will continue to be a Titan fan.
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Post by billebben on Apr 16, 2022 14:32:13 GMT -5
Well I am 80 and a fan since 1956. I have decided to give them 20 more years than I am giving up on them.
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Post by friartitan on Apr 16, 2022 14:32:27 GMT -5
We went to the first HL Tournament game v Wisconsin Green Bay with our two grandsons. (Ages 11 & 13) It was their first time in Calihan Hall. They had a great time and are anxious to return. It was a school night and they were home by 9:15pm..During a timeout the 13 year old asked why aren’t more people here? Answer?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 14:37:05 GMT -5
There is another side to this coin. I am tired of hearing how we were, what we did wrong 50 years ago. I was there. I enjoyed the ride. I supported the ride. That ride is over. That world has changed. I liked Ray and did not want him fired, but when he made the NCAA 10 years ago we were only seeded 15th and played Kansas. I remember the trip. Our guys lost, but our Dance Team won over the KU fans. Not much else went right. Things have gone downhill from there. I have always supported the Titans financially and by attendance both as UD or as UDM. I will continue to do so in D-1, D-2, or D-3 or NAIA. I have heard too many of the posters that are supposed fans "forever" define that support as contingent on D-1 level. So if you think my side of the coin is too negative so be it. D-1 sports is a business. We have done a poor job running the business and thinking that we are going to make a rapid turn around is not supported by the facts. I was thinking more of a poster who in recent posts (and, actually, in posts over a long period) has argued that a top priority for the new president should be considering a move to D-3, that the Titans "can't compete," that the program can never be a perennial tournament team [there are, BTW, quite a few perennial terms from small conferences], that "our fan base should disband and we should all pledge allegiance to new programs" [this may have been tongue in cheek"]; that there's "no much point in investing" in the program, and that he basically roots for another team because it has better odds of winning; and from I don't recall hearing a positive word in months. Geez, I think I hit over half of those points in the last year or so. I guess I'm aggravated with Coach Davis since his team's aren't winning. Its hard to pick the team for a winning record and Championships in the prediction contest when you don't believe in the Coach or like the talent he's bring in. As for the Oakland board, the place is dead, so I haven't posted there yet. Not much more to say except message received - I'll try to post glowingly about the program from now on
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Post by calihanmole on Apr 16, 2022 14:38:21 GMT -5
We went to the first HL Tournament game v Wisconsin Green Bay with our two grandsons. (Ages 11 & 13) It was their first time in Calihan Hall. They had a great time and are anxious to return. It was a school night and they were home by 9:15pm..During a timeout the 13 year old asked why aren’t more people here? Answer? Small student body Even smaller residential student body 6 Mile still not exactly the safest place in the world to spend an afternoon They still charge for parking I believe I hear the food still isn’t great although I haven’t been in quiet a while COVID mask rules were still in play? It’s just so easy to watch the games on tv or mobile device and save time getting anywhere these days Not a very good team on the court Poor marketing
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Post by motorcitysam on Apr 16, 2022 14:52:56 GMT -5
I was thinking more of a poster who in recent posts (and, actually, in posts over a long period) has argued that a top priority for the new president should be considering a move to D-3, that the Titans "can't compete," that the program can never be a perennial tournament team [there are, BTW, quite a few perennial terms from small conferences], that "our fan base should disband and we should all pledge allegiance to new programs" [this may have been tongue in cheek"]; that there's "no much point in investing" in the program, and that he basically roots for another team because it has better odds of winning; and from I don't recall hearing a positive word in months. Geez, I think I hit over half of those points in the last year or so. I guess I'm aggravated with Coach Davis since his team's aren't winning. Its hard to pick the team for a winning record and Championships in the prediction contest when you don't believe in the Coach or like the talent he's bring in. As for the Oakland board, the place is dead, so I haven't posted there yet. Not much more to say except message received - I'll try to post glowingly about the program from now on I'd bet folding money that the Commish wasn't talking about you. I would never characterize you as a negative poster.
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Post by Commissioner on Apr 16, 2022 15:47:37 GMT -5
I was thinking more of a poster who in recent posts (and, actually, in posts over a long period) has argued that a top priority for the new president should be considering a move to D-3, that the Titans "can't compete," that the program can never be a perennial tournament team [there are, BTW, quite a few perennial terms from small conferences], that "our fan base should disband and we should all pledge allegiance to new programs" [this may have been tongue in cheek"]; that there's "no much point in investing" in the program, and that he basically roots for another team because it has better odds of winning; and from I don't recall hearing a positive word in months. Geez, I think I hit over half of those points in the last year or so. I guess I'm aggravated with Coach Davis since his team's aren't winning. Its hard to pick the team for a winning record and Championships in the prediction contest when you don't believe in the Coach or like the talent he's bring in. As for the Oakland board, the place is dead, so I haven't posted there yet. Not much more to say except message received - I'll try to post glowingly about the program from now on Scout, I don't think you're negative at all. You post about a bunch a of stuff, lots of interesting info and up-to-date tips, interesting speculation and analysis. The fact that it often includes criticism of the program or university doesn't make you, in my mind, a negative person. Again, there is a line one can cross between being critical and realistic, and simply becoming a negative person who makes any room a less edifying place. For example, one poster responded to this turn in the thread with three more posts about how the Titans are never going to compete, one of them quite long to emphasis the negative points he's been making. Hey got it. Check. Again, you're free to go root for Alvernia or whomever. But as I said before, I see zero point in constantly posting on a fan board about how there is no future, everything sucks, etc., especially when one has no positive suggestions in mind and tends to belittle efforts by others to make improvements. I don't like to spend my life around negative people. People, use your judgment. I find it interesting how many people seem to thing these comments are aimed at them. I don't think most people on this board are too negative at all. Not Big Chuck, not Scout. But if you find yourself constantly posting negative stuff on the board, maybe this isn't the best place for you. Scout, I definitely wouldn't put you in that category.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 16:05:10 GMT -5
Geez, I think I hit over half of those points in the last year or so. I guess I'm aggravated with Coach Davis since his team's aren't winning. Its hard to pick the team for a winning record and Championships in the prediction contest when you don't believe in the Coach or like the talent he's bring in. As for the Oakland board, the place is dead, so I haven't posted there yet. Not much more to say except message received - I'll try to post glowingly about the program from now on Scout, I don't think you're negative at all. You post about a bunch a of stuff, lots of interesting info and up-to-date tips, interesting speculation and analysis. The fact that it often includes criticism of the program or university doesn't make you, in my mind, a negative person. Again, there is a line one can cross between being critical and realistic, and simply becoming a negative person who makes any room a less edifying place. For example, one poster responded to this turn in the thread with three more posts about how the Titans are never going to compete, one of them quite long to emphasis the negative points he's been making. Hey got it. Check. Again, you're free to go root for Alvernia or whomever. But as I said before, I see zero point in constantly posting on a fan board about how there is no future, everything sucks, etc., especially when one has no positive suggestions in mind and tends to belittle efforts by others to make improvements. I don't like to spend my life around negative people. People, use your judgment. I find it interesting how many people seem to thing these comments are aimed at them. I don't think most people on this board are too negative at all. Not Big Chuck, not Scout. But if you find yourself constantly posting negative stuff on the board, maybe this isn't the best place for you. Scout, I definitely wouldn't put you in that category. Thanks, but I also know I can do better. And I will attempt to do so
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