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Post by billebben on Feb 23, 2022 19:45:25 GMT -5
Been A Titan fan since I met Bill Ebben at a UD High freshman event in 1956. I have lived through seeing many great Titan teams and some very bad ones. For the first time in all these years of being a fan I see no future for the Titans A future of transfer students and Division 2 type players is not the way to build a program Is there any one out there who can convince me I am wrong?
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Post by Rogobob77 on Feb 23, 2022 20:34:16 GMT -5
Been A Titan fan since I met Bill Ebben at a UD High freshman event in 1956. I have lived through seeing many great Titan teams and some very bad ones. For the first time in all these years of being a fan I see no future for the Titans A future of transfer students and Division 2 type players is not the way to build a program Is there any one out there who can convince me I am wrong? The transfer issue you mention is not unique to the Titans, it is proliferating throughout college basketball programs. According to data from VerbalCommits, 1,740 men’s basketball players entered the transfer portal this past off-season, with 1,464 successfully finding new schools. That number is way up from the 942 transfers the previous season. I don’t know how closely you have followed the current team, but with the exception of maybe a couple guys all are clearly D-1 talent level. I could go down the list and show you how each had multiple D-1 offers. Harvey played at Notre Dame, Atec at South Florida, Davis had an offer from Houston, Johnson played at St. Bonaventure, Koka at Tulane, McAdoo at Bradley, Waterman at Niagara, etc. Those are not “Division 2 type players.” The Titans have an LOI commitment from a very good high player, Sonny Johnson. I had read that Cincinnati had offered him a scholarship.
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Post by billebben on Feb 23, 2022 20:56:55 GMT -5
I hope you are right.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Feb 23, 2022 22:48:57 GMT -5
Been A Titan fan since I met Bill Ebben at a UD High freshman event in 1956. I have lived through seeing many great Titan teams and some very bad ones. For the first time in all these years of being a fan I see no future for the Titans A future of transfer students and Division 2 type players is not the way to build a program Is there any one out there who can convince me I am wrong? The transfer issue you mention is not unique to the Titans, it is proliferating throughout college basketball programs. According to data from VerbalCommits, 1,740 men’s basketball players entered the transfer portal this past off-season, with 1,464 successfully finding new schools. That number is way up from the 942 transfers the previous season. I don’t know how closely you have followed the current team, but with the exception of maybe a couple guys all are clearly D-1 talent level. I could go down the list and show you how each had multiple D-1 offers. Harvey played at Notre Dame, Atec at South Florida, Davis had an offer from Houston, Johnson played at St. Bonaventure, Koka at Tulane, McAdoo at Bradley, Waterman at Niagara, etc. Those are not “Division 2 type players.” The Titans have an LOI commitment from a very good high player, Sonny Johnson. I had read that Cincinnati had offered him a scholarship. Johnson signed with Penn State as a Junior and then decommitted..
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Post by Rogobob77 on Feb 23, 2022 23:02:28 GMT -5
I believe Johnson made a verbal commitment to Penn St. as a junior (can’t sign an LOI until your senior year). There was also some reported interest from Nebraska.
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Post by billebben on Feb 24, 2022 8:13:59 GMT -5
last questions before I leave this forum. If the above points are true and our transfers are great why are they losing.? Why are the stands empty? I am sure many will come up with rational arguments but the fact is the team is not winning and very few people outside the loyal fans in this forum care. How often does the local media ignore us even though we have one of the greatest players in the history of Detroit Titan basketball. As I said I have been a loyal fan since 1956.
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Post by Commissioner on Feb 24, 2022 8:44:09 GMT -5
last questions before I leave this forum. If the above points are true and our transfers are great why are they losing.? Why are the stands empty? I am sure many will come up with rational arguments but the fact is the team is not winning and very few people outside the loyal fans in this forum care. How often does the local media ignore us even though we have one of the greatest players in the history of Detroit Titan basketball. As I said I have been a loyal fan since 1956. I think you raise a lot of good points, and I suspect that what you've posted here only scratches the surface of your resignation. The pathway forward for the Titans seems to narrow with each generation. It's been a combination of factors--mismanagement, poor hires, the decline of the city, bad luck, lack of vision. Many things are little things--for example, the administration seems determined to make the fan game day experience as unappetizing as possible. But though I'm not going to write along post here discussing it, I don't think that there is no future. And don't leave the forum! In fact, I think one small factor in turning things around is having a place for Titans fans to stay in touch and talk about out team, and having people like you who can remember when we were a factor on the national scene. We can't wallow in nostalgia (which I am prone to do), but sharing memories of the past can help us envision the future.
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Post by JDetroitTitan on Feb 24, 2022 8:59:38 GMT -5
I was going to post the answers to the questions you ask but after I finished typing it I just deleted it and said $#%$ it. I will be at the game tonight and I am bringing three more people than usual. See you there billebben I hope that helps.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Feb 24, 2022 10:05:47 GMT -5
I do think building more student housing and keeping them full is a step in the right direction. I do think the talk of keeping the Athletes separate from the other on campus students is a mistake. I did everything I could to get my grandson to go to UD including footing the bill but he wanted to go where there is a large campus population and opportunities for student activity and participation. He did consider Loyola.
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Post by fan on Feb 24, 2022 11:27:56 GMT -5
Transfer players are not a bad thing, except the team has to start over each fall getting to know each other, kind of like a JUCO. I think the coaching ways of MD have been a problem, not that he is a bad coach, but rather some of his methodologies. For example, playing all road games before league games are in my view a bad policy, perhaps we could have 3 or 4 more W's if MD had a "normal' mid-major schedule. Then trying to mesh his star son with quality transfer players in my view has also been a problem, this program since AD and MD have arrived has been an AD program with little room for other quality players to fit.
The brand change, but that's old news, the league, most U of D fans would come out for a Dayton, or Xavier, or DePaul game rather than the dash schools, again old news, last, the school administration seems happy where the program is at. Now they will always get a piece of the HL NCAA check and the schools seem happy to get paid to get beat pre-league games for a check. There are few new fans, I think the U of D is and will remain a low D1 team or drop down to a D2 or D3. If that happens I'd prefer D3 and playing the likes of NYU and Chicago.
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Post by fan on Feb 24, 2022 11:28:09 GMT -5
Transfer players are not a bad thing, except the team has to start over each fall getting to know each other, kind of like a JUCO. I think the coaching ways of MD have been a problem, not that he is a bad coach, but rather some of his methodologies. For example, playing all road games before league games are in my view a bad policy, perhaps we could have 3 or 4 more W's if MD had a "normal' mid-major schedule. Then trying to mesh his star son with quality transfer players in my view has also been a problem, this program since AD and MD have arrived has been an AD program with little room for other quality players to fit.
The brand change, but that's old news, the league, most U of D fans would come out for a Dayton, or Xavier, or DePaul game rather than the dash schools, again old news, last, the school administration seems happy where the program is at. Now they will always get a piece of the HL NCAA check and the schools seem happy to get paid to get beat pre-league games for a check. There are few new fans, I think the U of D is and will remain a low D1 team or drop down to a D2 or D3. If that happens I'd prefer D3 and playing the likes of NYU and Chicago.
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Post by Rogobob77 on Feb 24, 2022 12:14:56 GMT -5
I sense a change in philosophy in scheduling non-conference games for future seasons. In a brief conversation with Coach Davis this past Sunday, he said he talked to Vowels to communicate “we have to have more home games.” He has said this same thing on several occasions I heard him speak earlier this season.
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Post by Commissioner on Feb 24, 2022 12:26:56 GMT -5
Transfer players are not a bad thing, except the team has to start over each fall getting to know each other, kind of like a JUCO. I think the coaching ways of MD have been a problem, not that he is a bad coach, but rather some of his methodologies. For example, playing all road games before league games are in my view a bad policy, perhaps we could have 3 or 4 more W's if MD had a "normal' mid-major schedule. Then trying to mesh his star son with quality transfer players in my view has also been a problem, this program since AD and MD have arrived has been an AD program with little room for other quality players to fit. You notice what two Titans most seem to play off one another, anticipate one another? It's Willy and AD. A pair of 4-year guys. Transfers are and will be a reality--that's the new world. But I do hope we can start to get more good players straight from HS, and keep them (again, not easy in this day and age). I've voiced many times that I don't think the all road game non-conference schedule is a good philosophy for us, and I continue to think we also need a year or two where we schedule teams we can beat, win some games, get some buzz.
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Post by upbasketballfan on Feb 24, 2022 12:29:47 GMT -5
Transfer players are not a bad thing, except the team has to start over each fall getting to know each other, kind of like a JUCO. I think the coaching ways of MD have been a problem, not that he is a bad coach, but rather some of his methodologies. For example, playing all road games before league games are in my view a bad policy, perhaps we could have 3 or 4 more W's if MD had a "normal' mid-major schedule. Then trying to mesh his star son with quality transfer players in my view has also been a problem, this program since AD and MD have arrived has been an AD program with little room for other quality players to fit. The brand change, but that's old news, the league, most U of D fans would come out for a Dayton, or Xavier, or DePaul game rather than the dash schools, again old news, last, the school administration seems happy where the program is at. Now they will always get a piece of the HL NCAA check and the schools seem happy to get paid to get beat pre-league games for a check. There are few new fans, I think the U of D is and will remain a low D1 team or drop down to a D2 or D3. If that happens I'd prefer D3 and playing the likes of NYU and Chicago. Should at that point go into the MAIA with Hope,Calvin, Adrian etc. private denominational schools. I would much rather the try and go up instead of down. It hasn’t worked yet but I feel we really haven’t tried. Maybe half hearted kind of hoping for a hand out.
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Post by fan on Feb 24, 2022 15:17:06 GMT -5
The point about going D3 into the UAA (NYU, Washington, Chicago ETC) is the member schools of the UAA are well known, fine, large schools, which I think the fan base if the drop-down ever happens would rather play UAA schools than MIIA schools. I for one would rather come to an NYU/UDM game than a Hope/UDM game.
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